ST-1200... calling on an expert

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Author Message   Allstarrr Username: Allstarrr Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 3:28 am:    Hello everyone/anyone, I have this ST-1200 double neck that I traded a les paul standard for many years back. Here's the thing about this particular ST-1200... it has block inlays instead of the dot inlays, and it's necks are neck-thru construction as opposed to the bolt-ons which the standard ST-1200 had. I have never seen any custom ST-1200 in any of the old catalogues and wonder if this is a rarity of some sort? I'm looking to get this appraised, but am finding it hard to find any reliable source. If anybody out there can iform me on any details about this guitar, or be able to refer me to some source, I'd be very appreciative. Thank you!!! Bob   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 4:46 am:    I think your first assumption: "I have this ST-1200 double neck" is not correct. As you can read -allthough it's in German- there are other STUDIO doubleneck guitars. There's: the ST1300BS - which is a setnecks the ST1400BS - which is a 6-string with a bass the ST1500BS - which is a 6-string with a 12-string, specially built for the German market. The ST-1500BS has block inlays. Ther is no description of the neck construction. They are on page 11 of this catalogue http://www.t3-kundenserver.de/htmlpages/redasys/_c ore/databases/t_meinl-uploads/1980_stepahead_meinl .pdf Ginger   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 9:27 am:    Please post some pictures. tnx, mk   Allstarrr Username: Allstarrr Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 12:16 pm:    Wow! It's amazing how a question here leads to an immediate reply with info. Though I don't read german, and there's no picture of the back of the guitar, the one in the german catalogue looks like it's my guitar with the block inlays. I'm going to presume that the necks are neck through. The one thing is that the model # inside the picture says ST-1300BS, and the model suggested just below the picture is an ST-1500BS. Not sure which one to call mine. And, I wonder how I might find an reasonably accuarate appraisal on this guitar... does anybody know of a source? Thanks to Ginger for the info, and to Mike who also replied! Bob   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 5:53 pm:    A reasonable adequate appraisal? That's a difficult one. Last time we saw an appraisal of $3500.- for a doubleneck and it was sold for 6K. Although that was an other type of guitar, I wouldn't be surprised if 3K is possible for this one. Keep in mind that European collectors, divide this through 1.345 so they pay only 2.2K in euros, which is a bargain for an Ibanez Vintage double-through-neck guitar. I remember that Toon (Dutch guy living in Belgium) sold an ST1200 to someone in the USA. It was over 2K for sure, and that was a bolt-on. Ginger   Allstarrr Username: Allstarrr Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 10:16 pm:    Hi Ginger, I wonder if the European market would bear more for the ST-1300 than the U.S. market? I found this ST-1200 sold from Canada on ebay for $1,200 U.S. dollars in 2005: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =7362465342 But yes, these are clean neck-thrus, and I think that perhaps there were not many built and very hard to come by. I regretfully might even need to liquidate this guitar, and it's as clean and pristine as a whistle. That's why I'm looking for an accurate appraisal, so that I know where to start from. 3k would be a good place to begin, but I want to be somehow very sure of what I have so that it doesn;t turn out to be one of those 6k ones ;) Is there a way to post pics here??? Anyway, I'm so appreciative of the sense I've already been provided by you, Ginger, the link that gave me the picture with model number, and a suggestion that perhaps a few thousand dollars. I know you don't stand behind it, but again, i appreciate it and will keep checking back for any other info or thoughts that anybody might offer. Cheers! Bob   Telstar Username: Telstar Registered: 4-2006 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 3:22 am:    Allstar: are you sure the necks are thru and not set? If they are set, yours is a ST1300, and you'll find the original 1980 retailprice in the german pricelist scan hereunder. Prices are in DM (remember?). Further information about the Studio series (apart from the link that Ginger already provided) in the following catalogues, all on the musik-meinl.de homepage, under service&downloads\Katalog Archiv: 1978 studio series, 1979 step ahead, 1979 electric guitars supplement no1, 1979 tomorrows name in guitars, 1981 Electric Guitars, and last seen in 1982 BL + ST. Hope this helps... Rob   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 3:55 am:    Hey Rob, since you are at Meinl's, do you still have old 1977 and 1978 pricelists there with model numbers 25xx (like 2575 etc) for Fender replicas on them? $1200.- for a ST1200 in 2005? We've seen quite a lot of inflation in Vintageland lately. I'd have to check that old e-mail of Toon in my office. I think the e-Bay item number and/ or the price were/was mentioned there. What I remember was something like $2145.- but I could be wrong. So I'll check it and let you know. Pics are always a good idea. Ginger   Allstarrr Username: Allstarrr Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 7:47 am:    Hey Rob and Ginger, The necks could be set I suppose, but they run smoothly into the body without any separation, like all neck-thru's I know of. I'd have to look closely to see if there's a seam there, but they don't attach like say a Les Paul neck does. they enter the body uniformly. I wish the catalogue pics for the ST-1300 showed the back of the guitar and I'd know for sure if it was mine or not. I have to figure out how to load some pics on here. Rob, are the blue numbers written in on the right of the prices the dollar conversion? It sounds like I'd have to find out how much it's worth only by an open auction... I figure I might start it out around $2,500-3k by the sense I get out here, I just want to make sure I don't have something more rare and valuable than might be expected. I wonder about this set neck vs. neck-thru question. Hopefully I can figure out how to post some pics before the end of this posting process... I don't have any page to link them to. I'm still digging all of the feedback... I hadn't any clue about this guitar before this. Thanks! Bob   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 8:57 am:    Allstarrr: Did you read the FAQ on uploading images, found here: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/FAQMain.html You can try the process out in the Account Holders Test Area section. If you're still having problems, send me an email with the images attached and I'll post them. JohnS SysOp   Telstar Username: Telstar Registered: 4-2006 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 11:12 am:    Ginger: I haven't seen any '77-'78 pricelists yet, but I'll keep on diggin', who knows... (I've been following the Challenger-Silver Series thread too). Bob: Those blue numbers were a raise in DM-price that year, and have nothing to do with dollar prices. Don't know how much the dollar was in DM that year, but I guess that can be retraced.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 11:31 am:    Rob, I dug up all the e-mail correspondence with Toon in our regional dialect, because he's quite famous for his dialect rock & roll. What I found is that he sold an AR1200AV, so that was the 2550 DM guitar (blue ink), not the ST1200. I could not find a link to the e-Bay auction. But I'm starting to believe the buyer even had a bargain somewhere in the first two weeks of January 2007, although Toon thought that he got "A LOT OF MONEY". Didn't find the exact price (yet), but generally my memory is quite good when it's about prices. Ginger   Adstar Username: Adstar Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 12:36 pm:    Personally I think this model would be a set neck as all studio's were set necks anway.   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 2:07 pm:    Allstarrr, although the type of construction might look like a Neck-Thru design, the necks are actually set-in. As already mentioned above, your guitar is most probably a ST1300. Here is a link to a '79 catalog showing that model as well as a picture of the neck construction of the Studio series. It's also stated that the ST1300 had built-in necks: Electric Guitars Supplement No.1 I'm afraid that you have too high hopes about the value of your ST1300. The average price for a ST1200 on Ebay Germany is ca. EUR 600 (approx. $800) with the last one sold about 2 month ago for EUR 445 in all original condition and incl. OHSC. I don't have a ST1300 in my records but even if you take the set-neck construction and the block inlays into consideration, I'd say that a ST1300 is more in the price range of max. $1500. But having said that, you'll never know... So here's my advice: Put the guitar on Ebay with a $1 starting price and a reserve and let the auction run its course. That way you will know what your guitar is "really worth", at least at the time the action ends, that is... Juergen   Allstarrr Username: Allstarrr Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 4:37 pm:    Yeah, that makes sense if the guitar Ginger was speaking of was an artist series. The ST-1200 sold on ebay for $1,200 in 2005. So I guess the ST-1300 would go for somewhere around $1,500. The Les Paul I traded for it years ago is probably worth more now... oh well. Thanks for the info, Juergen. I didn't know anything, and now I do! Thanks to all again... this board rocks! Bob   Allstarrr Username: Allstarrr Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 11:38 pm:    By the way, has anybody ever heard or seen of an ST-1300 being owned or sold by anyone??? I heard that there were only 34 of the ST-1400 bass/guitar dbl necks made in 1980: http://www.ibanezregister.com/Gallery/ST%20Studio/ gal-st1400.htm I know the St-1300 is a more conventional guitar, but maybe it's a more rare one since Juergen doesn't have one in his records. The suggestion to run an auction with a reserve to find the market rate is a good one, Jeurgen, thanks. It seems, though, that bidding peaks low in auctions that have higher reserves... maybe it's me. I really don't want to sell the guitar at all, but I might need to at some point, and wanted to be sure of what I had. Anybody seen one of these before? Thanks, Bob

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