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Author Message   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 12:48 pm:    Dudes.... cannot use my ar5000 with my Zoom G2 pedal. Why? Obvious conflict between the active electronics in the guitar and... the pedal. Something about the active electronics in the axe conflict major league with the pedal. Pedal works fine with all other electric and acoustic/ electric axes I plug in, as long as they have no active electronics built in. This conflict between the ar5000 and the pedal, renders the pedal (basically) useless. Any insight for me on why this occurs? Any solutions? The best way for me to describe the problem is... it (the ar5000) so conmpletely changes or negates the intended effect the pedal has to offer that it's too intense to try to figure out how to reset the pedal settings to make it compatible to the axe. There's no way to adequately describe the myriad of problems this conflict causes to the intended sounds the pedal has to offer. has anyone run across this type of thing?   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 2:14 pm:    are you running guitar-pedal-amp? if you are, does the artist have a stereo jack as an on\off? sometimes companies use ring\tip\sleave and have the ring as the hot.so the signal is split. you did'nt say what type of amp you have. does it have an fx loop? run it through that. anyone else?   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 2:19 pm:    TB... axe/pedal/amp yes. Amp: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe White Lightening Limited Edition. Does it have an FX loop?: Dunno, will look, I think so. In any event, what's causing the incompatability? It's dramatic. I don't know what "ring/tip/sleave" means. And thanx for your response. This is only the 2nd pedal I've used in my whole life. had original ts-808, sold it many years ago, have not used a pedal at all in 25 yrs. and now, I have the conflict with the ar5000.   Laurentb Username: Laurentb Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 2:40 pm:    That is strange. It must be something with that Zoom pedal, because I never ran into any problems using my active Musician 550 with my Line6 Pod Pro. Apart from getting feedback when cranking both volume knobs up while using distortion, that is. But that's only to be expected.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 3:19 pm:    Laurent... my inability to use this pedal with the ar5000 ain't a figment of my imagination. The negative effect the axe has on the pedal is DRASTIC and it effects every setting in the pedal, the pre-sets as well as what I've programmed in. I even changed the battery in the ar5000, thinking maybe that had something to do with it, but... nope. It's like... the guitar negates the pedal. For instance... let's say I have a volume setting of "10" programmed into a given setting on the pedal. With other guitar, the pedal effect is loud and as intended. With the ar5000, in some instances, it will negate even the volume of the pedal setting to the point of where it's dang near inaudible. Put the other axe back in and... bang... it's back up to par. That's just an example. The only other thing I can tell you is, it negates all functions of the pedal (and there are many functions) to the same extent.   Laurentb Username: Laurentb Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 3:48 pm:    @Bobzilla: I wasn't for a moment doubting your words, I just meant to indicate that I couldn't understand what was happening, but it is even stranger than I thought, now you mention the specific problems! The effect of active elements on the pedal would be that the electric resistance the pedal 'sees' (in the direction of the guitar) is smaller. Does it also behave strangely when you switch the active circuit of the guitar off?   Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 4:02 pm:    Bob, I think the AR just vomits when you plug it through the zoom, and all the dirt gets between the sound and yourself, She wants to be played clean, like the real thing. good luck..... emilio   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 9:48 pm:    Bob Does this problem happen with and without the E/Q bypassed?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 9:58 pm:    Bob here is the ring sleeve tip that the other dude mentioned. The top is stereo and the mono is the bottom plug with just the tip and sleeve. Which one are you using?   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 1-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 11:04 pm:    Your not alone on this Bob...I have an old Morely Chorus-Modified Flanger and it 'ticks' thru the auto-sweeps when EQ=in on both that new Artist and my 2622...but not the '79 500...can't hear it much unless I stop playing but it is there...'slight conflict' is probably a good summary. Not really much of an issue here when the signal is flowing...please describe the result as far as audible differences. Best...Strings   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 11:07 pm:    Bob, my AR500 does the same with my Zoom effects board. I found it easier to give the Zoom box to my son to play with and go back to basic stomp pedals. Oddly enough, if I use my Boss Chromatic Tuner TU2 and overdrive SD1 before the Zoom, I can get a half decient sound, so I don't know if it has something to do with the output of the guitar or what.   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 1:29 am:    with what snow describes, it almost sounds like the ar has a low output signal thru the eq and his sd1 bumps the gain like a linedriver (an old mxr) the only zoom i have is an 2690 rack unit and i use it in my pa. my bass rig has a bassV-amp pro and when i do play guitar it's all stomp box. with out an fx loop. man i'm stuck, i'd have to fool with it hands on. this will get weird, i'm sure.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 10:39 am:    Dudes, thanx so much for your incredible insight, I wish I wasn't so technically and mechanically uneducated. As far as my guitar cable, I use a "Monster cable" I think it's the one with the sleeve, or the first one indicated in the diagram above but I am at work, don't have a computer at home and I am working from memory. As far as... do I have problems as described with the EQ engaged or not engaged? The answer is "yes." Either way, the guitar and pedal are in complete conflict. It is more pronounced though, when engaged. Battery is brand new, and I tested it for strength, it's real good. I don't mind playing without the pedal, I just consider it a novelty anywyas, but I am interested to know why the ar5000 has this conflict and the non-active axes are fine. This bugs me a bit. I wish it wasn't this way and would try to fix it, if possible.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 1-2005 Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 11:27 pm:    Bob...take it to a music dealer and run it thru a variety of devices...see what comes out. I'd bet my balls (just a phrase, settle down...) that it is a limitation of that box not that fine bling bling of a 5000 you've got...especially considering its previous owner and the care it had there.   Roadartstar Username: Roadartstar Registered: 8-2004 Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 2:16 pm:    run the guitar through a simple analog stomp box like a tube screamer or flanger and see if it sounds ok i dont use digital modeler boxes and my ibanezes sound great thru analog boxs (which to me sound like the real deal but this is all subjective ) albiet it is more expensive to go this root. my guess is its the digital circuit board in the effects unit not the guitar that has some sort of problem.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:48 am:    I'll try an analog pedal.

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