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Author Message   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 8:17 am:    Hi Everyone: I'm a professional guitarist/composer and very new here; What a great site and idea. Hopefully I'll be able to add something valuable to some threads in the future. In the meantime..... Please forgive what may be a lame question. In that I've heard that you can't order directly from Ibanez (and Guitar Center is hopelssly a waste of time and 60 miles away) I'm looking for a vendor to directly order two-hole pick-up rings for my recently purchased beat up '83 AR-300AV that I use for recording/performing. (I also recently acquired (all stunning) an early 80's AR-300AV, -305, and 500AV all in close-to-immaculate condition; the 305 is a dark mahogany with swirls that I love -- sorry, no pictures...I don't know how to do that yet.) Anyway, I'd like to put a Seymour Duncan JB-4 in the bridge position; that's the bridge pick-up that really smokes in my '94 Robben Ford Ultras. The AR-300 bridge pick-up (whose number I confess I don't yet know) is a little too bright and thin for me. The trouble -- as I'm sure you've all known and I recently found out -- is that the Duncans use two screws for installation, not three as in the early 80's AR's pick-up rings. I'm told that one can't order direct from Ibanez (and maybe that's bad info -- hence my question: 'Where to order?'. The two hole ring numbers listed at the Ibanez site on the new AR-200s and -300s are: Blond Color Front (Neck Position?) 4AMR1 C122V Blond Color Rear (Bridge Position?)4AMR1 C152V I've also noticed some discrepencies(?) in the numbers. The number for the front ring I've seen listed as 4AMR1 123V instead of 122V. Anyone know which one is the accurate number? I also could not find the wiring diagram for my '83 AR-300. The diagrams at the Duncan site had pull pots and not the two three-way switches as on the AR-300s. Please allow me to thank anyone for any and all kind help/info in advance. Cheers, Allears   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 2:51 am:    Hi Allears, welcome to the community that is ICW. If you wish to preserve the value of your vintage Ibanez guitars, you should try to make the mods as reversible as possible. It always pays to hang onto the parts you remove so that any potential buyers can restore it to original condition. There may be other wiring diagrams forthcoming, but here's one I have for the AR300   Telstar Username: Telstar Registered: 4-2006 Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 5:53 am:    And here's one I found: Colorcodings of the Super 58s have changed quite often, so instead of a blue and yellow wire you may find green and white. Cheers, Rob   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 5:10 pm:    Bluesmeister and Rob-Telstar: Thank you Bluesmeister for the warm welcome and for the info and suggestion on the most reversible changes in order to preserve the collectible value of the guitars that I have. Rob, also, thank you for the tip on the color coding inconsistencies re. Super 58 wiring... and thank you both for the wiring diagrams. The AR-300 that I'm doing the work on is very beat up ( abused by the seller -- an animal posing as a player) but I also have: another 300 that's 'museum qiuality'; a 305 with absolutely gorgeous mahogany swirls (my favorite) on the face of the guitar and a 500 that is also close to immaculate shape that I use only for recording. These three guitars are so fine that I will not be changing them. How can I tell if the guitars have the Super 58's? Does any one know a vendor from whom I can buy the two-hole pick-up rings: Blond Color Front (Neck Position?) 4AMR1 C122V Blond Color Rear (Bridge Position?)4AMR1 C152V that are stock on the new AR-200s and AR-300s? Thanks once again guys: I'm presently printing your diagrams. And Bluesmeister, please send as many as you like as you find them...all are most appreciated.., Last: Bluesmeiser: what style(s) of Blues do you most enjoy and what is your favorite guitar/amp combination? Although I compose and play in a multitude of styles, Blues is my specialilty and that's the style I enjoy most because it's more free than any other forms of American music -- more 'free' than even a lot of Jazz. (I'm a pretty chromatic player and Blues is inherently chromatic.) Best, Allears   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 1:18 am:    I'm a big fan of Peter Green (when he was with Fleetwood Mac). I like the fact that blues don't have to be 12-bars, and that's what I tend to play, the non 12-bar variety. I like Robert Cray's music and the late great SRV, and Buddy Guy's too. I like to refer to it as Electric Blues, that's what I really like playing. My favourite guitar/amp combination? That's easy: Ibanez AR305/Mesa-Boogie DC-2 with no effects pedals. There are some suggested settings in the manual that accompanied my DC-2, one is called 'Pushed Blues' and it is heaven! Neck PU, rhythm channel, very tasty. Switch to the Lead Channel, flick over to the bridge PU and it sounds magic for playing slide. The DC-2 has two sets of controls for both channels which makes it very versatile. That wiring diagram that Telstar Rob posted, I've seen that one before, I *may* have that one or one very similar to it buried somewhere on my HDD. I'll hunt around a little more this evening.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 10:50 pm:    Mr. Fingersmcoy I am also a gigantic fan of Peter Green when he was with F. Mac and also before. I saw him perform with F.Mc when Christine McVie had just entered the band and Spencer had left. (Real small place on Long Island, I was 10 feet away from him -- Les Paul and old Twin....amazing tone and passionate vocals....it was a life experience....) Mayall's 'A Hard Road' was expanded to a 2 CD set -- on which "So Many Roads" Green's playing amazing; on that cut his vibrato and tone have an emotional intensity that is scary. There, he also does a piece called "Greeny" that's not very widely known; a wonderful study in the chromatic composite of combined maj. and min. pentatonic scales.... Re. Blues non 12 bar forms: Off the top of my head: Robben Ford's Misdirected Blues, a 17 bar country swing; as usual with Ford, one or two chromatic chord changes. Carla Bley does a 13 bar called "Sing me Softly of the Blues" on vinyl called 'Dinner Music' -- Cornell Dupree on Rhythm. Cold Shot --20 bars (Mississippi Queen too?). Mayall's "My Littlle Girl is 24. F. King's "Someday After Awhile" (8); On Hard Road Peter Green's solos and fills are in his own class; Johnny Winters "Blue Mood" (8) -- great resophonic playing; also "American Bandstand" (8); Robben Ford's cover of Mose Allison's "Ain't Got Nothing But the Blues" (8) and John Scofield's Wabash III (8), his Evansville (a 12 reharmonization in Bb but gorgeous), and "Boozer" (a 16) in Db. Everyone knows "The Stumble" is a 16 (and Peter Green's interpretation I love), so's "Supernatural" (8); Stanley Turrentine's minor key "Sugar" is a 16 bar Jazz classic. Scofield also has an interesting piece called "You Said So": it's an eight measure minor key Blues (with Lydian Dom 7s all over the place) and a 4 measure B section: Form AABA so altogether it's 28 measures. What about Kirwin's "Jigsaw Puzzle Blues?" ! -- 8 bars... and modulations. Muddy and Wolf and Sonny Boy and Son House always like to throw in that extra measure or two, or a measure of 2/4. I think Gillian Welch and David Rawlings do a Blues where they throw in a measure of 2 also. Get this though, in the intro to "Empire State Express" Son House plays a measure of 7/8, and he turns the time around; it's so subtle it's hilarious. I gave a standing-room only clinic out at the Riverhead Blues Festival with a 10 piece three horn band -- I think in 2002 -- covering 80 years of music encompassing all the elements borrowed from Blues that make American "Non-Blues" AM radio, 'Pop' and 'movies music' sound Bluesy; meter, chords, scales, 'rhythmic feels', 'wrong' notes, micro-tonality, etc. (Incidentally, the festival that year drew about 40,000.) Yes, I agree with you re. Electric Blues and "digging in." That's what blows me away and I love playing it more than anything else. Last, any wiring diagrams are well-appreciated. Thank you in advance. Are you familiar with any of David Lyndley's slide-playing on Warren Zevon's Detox Mansion? (Pretty Sick Stuff -- great tone). To Be Continued.... Allears PS-- what about Steely Dan's Pretzel Logic (18?)...... It's all endless in terms of elasticity and variations: I think that's why John Scofield said somewhere that "Blues is the greatest musical invention of the 20th century."}   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 10:56 pm:    Bluesmeister: Sorry, it's late and I need sleep: I got you crossed up with Fingersmcoy on another post....(Lame) my last post was supposed to be addressed to you! Allears (& no mind)   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:38 am:    No worries Allears, I already gathered that post was addressed to me. I have two Robben Ford CDs, the one with Talk To Your Daughter and the other entitled Robben Ford & The Blue Line. Of the two, I think prefer the second. RF tends to walk a line between jazz and blues, his mastery of the fretboard leaves me in awe. I just love the tone he gets on the tune The Brother. I presume it’s from his Dumble amp. I know of David Lindley's work from Jackson Browne's recordings. I saw JB with DL in Australia when they were touring the Running On Empty album, that's a fair few years ago. His lap slide playing is excellent. I’ve got two Steely Dan recordings, both on vinyl, Aja and a greatest hits double album. They always have supremely tasteful playing over lovely chord progressions. I'll most certainly check out the expanded Hard Road, and I offer in return The Beano Album http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesbreakers_with_Er ic_Clapton If you’re not familiar with that record, I definitely recommend a listen. It’s probably had a huge influence on many blues guitarists since its original release in the mid 1960s. My copy has mono and stereo mixes of the album. The re-mastered version of Fleetwood Mac's Pious Bird Of Good Omen has several variations of Need Your Love So Bad that are well-worth checking out. That's the tune that turned me onto that band when I was a lad. Jigsaw Puzzle Blues is a great track, definitely one of my must learn that one tunes. And may I leave you with Man Of The World. A song so aching in its delivery, it could easily make a grown man cry. Thanks for taking the time to post a *really* interesting essay.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 10:30 am:    I remember a story about Mayall and Bluesbreakers. John McVie (b) was one of Mayall's first London recruits in 1963 and had played in a Shadows copy band. The band (Mayall's) didn't rehearse much and on stage the first night Mayall said something like "It's a 12-bar in C" and McVie replied "What's that?". He learned quickly. McVie was thrown out of the band several times for drinking but he was Mayall's longest serving sideman. This to comfort those who don't have any idea of what is talked in the posts above, me included I have 12 LP Bluesbreakers collection. Juha   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:42 pm:    Bluesmiester: I'm really rushed at the moment and leaving for work but wanted to get back to you. You're very welcome for the reply...my pleasure. (This is what I do for a living and I love it -- I'm sure you can tell). The real reason for the fast note is that I wrongly assumed you already knew 'Jigsaw Puzzle Blues' -- I love the cut also. I have a written transcription that I transcribed myself about 15 or 20 years ago and I can email it to you if you like (if I can figure out how to scan it and get it into my computer). It's a blast (and a masterpiece in it's own way). Last I Lived with the 'Beano' album for -- no exaggeration -- a year and a half when it came out circa '65 when I was 14 -- me and my Firebird III; it's all I listened to, transcribed and studied for that whole time -- mega-monomania. That album -- in my estimation -- single-handedly changed the course of rock history...(I still have my original cover, beat to ••••, (record inside) hanging on the wall in my teaching studio.) again, to be continued...got to go to work at my small music school... Best, Allears   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:46 pm:    Hi Juha: Didn't mean to be too detailed about all the boring theory stuff (sorry). Great Bluesbreaker's story: sounds like me when I was 1st gettin' into Blues 45 years ago. Sounds like a smoking LP collection. Got to go to work... Best, Allears   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 8:28 am:    Peter Green: Man of the World: Hi Bluesmeister: I did see Peter Green perform "Man of the World" on a video and it blew me away...heart-wrenching. (It was a relatively recent performance with a newer group he toured with...) I'll call my friend to see if I can get the details on the video if your interested Best, Allears   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:29 pm:    Problem Solved: Thank You All and thank you Ibanezfreak1960 who got the info for me about the pick-up rings. It turns out that I didn't know (lame) you could order them direct from Ibanez.... ICW, new to me, but a helpful, friendly, warm group of Ibanez Fans....not to mention knowledgeable.... chasing after superlative instruments that most of the world is ignorant of....(so far).... Sincerely, Allears   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 1:01 am:    More wiring diagrams:   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 7:41 am:    Bluesmeister: Thank you so much for the additional diagrams. These look more detailed than the previous ones. I'll be starting work on my old beat up AR-300 probably next week. Do you have a recording of Man of the World????! I saw it only once about 10 years ago on a DVD but Green's performance was unforgettable and in his own class. (Don't know if you noticed it but you receive credit for the Peter Green thread that I started in the Artist Appreciation section...he may be a little to subtle for most listeners.) Last do you want a copy of the "Jigsaw Puzzle Blues" transcription (via regular mail if necessary....)? Best Allears   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 7:47 am:    PS- Buesmeister: I just printed out the diagrams and they came out great. Incidentally, the transciption of "Jigsaw" is on the money (I did it). Best Allears   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 9:47 pm:    Allears, no worries, I don't recall where those wiring diagrams came from, I've had them quite a while. I have a tab for Jigsaw Puzzle Blue, but I'd certainly be interested in your transcription. My user name links to my home e-mail address if you'd care to PDF it and send it to me. If it's impractical to do that, drop me an e-mail and we can discuss it off-line. I've been having major issues with my ADSL modem this past week. I can access ICW from work, and I can use my ISP's WebMail facility to access my e-mail. So far as Man Of The World is concerned, I only have it on CD, no video at present, although I suppose I could scour YouTube for Peter Green footage.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 11:39 pm:    Bluesmeister: re. Man of the World -- I had no idea it was on a CD. What's the title/lable. re. the Jigsaw transcription -- I'll try scanning it when I get a chance and then get back with you about where to email it; if that doesn't work I'll send it regular mail. (I also transcribed the Bass Part). (Am really curious about Man of the World on CD.) Good to hear from you and Thank you Allears   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 12:59 am:    The Best Of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Peter-Greens-Fleetwood- Mac/dp/B000075AJ1/ref=sr_1_11/103-0617896-5692600? ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1182400889&sr=1-11 And another CD worth having is the remastered The Pious Bird Of Good Omen (although it doesn't contain MOTW: http://www.amazon.com/Pious-Bird-Good-Omen-Fleetwo od/dp/B0001ZXLUA/ref=sr_1_4/103-0617896-5692600?ie =UTF8&s=music&qid=1182401403&sr=1-4 I had found Fleetwood Mac's Greatest Hits at Amazon, and I though MOTW was on that but it seems to have a different track listing to my own. I'll double check when I home this evening.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 12:20 pm:    Bluesmeister: Thank you for the info on MOTW (as well as the kind compliment on the 1st thread on Peter Green; you got me thinking on that one...). It turns out that I have the Pious Bird CD (in the three CD boxed set that includes Fleetwod Mac, English Rose, Pious Bird. Nowhere to be found is MOTW -- must be on a later CD, I guess post-Then Play On. I'll ask my friend Peter -- who is a Green-Freak if there ever was one -- if he remembers any info on the video. Thanks Again for making the effort. Allears   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 5:47 pm:    "Man Of The World" was on single (Immediate IM080) released April 1969. B-side was "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight" credited to Earl Vince and The Valiants. I have these on "Fleetwood Mac - The Blues Years" collection, 3 CD, Essential Records/ Castle Communications. Juha   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 6:23 pm:    Hi Juha: Thank you re. MOTW. It turns out that I did eventually find MOTW through Bluesmeister.... only a couple of days ago; it's on a CD called the Best of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. Caveat though: There are several incarnations of "Best of..." including some with the 'older band', and some with the 'newer' 'Pop'-oriented band with Nicks/Buckingham... The DVD with Green performing MOTW done more recently is titled -- according to my Green-devotee friend -- if you're interested, "Peter Green Splinter Group". I just ordered the CD version of "Best of PGFM" several days ago and have yet to receive it. Thank you again Juha for your interest and the info. Best, Allears   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 11:51 pm:    The version of FM Greatets Hits available from Amazon has a different track listing to my copy purchased in Australia. Track Listings- From Amazon Label: Sony International Need Your Love So Bad Coming Home Rambling Pony Big Boat - Eddie Boyd, Fleetwood Mac I Believe My Time Ain't Long Sun Is Shining Albatross Black Magic Woman Just the Blues - Eddie Boyd, Fleetwood Mac Jigsaw Puzzle Blues Looking for Somebody Stop Messin' Round Shake Your Moneymaker Love That Burns Australian release: Columbia 460704 2 The Green Manalishi (With The Two Pronged Crown) Oh Well (Pt1) Oh Well (Pt2) Shake Your Money Maker Need Your Love So Bad Rattle Snake Shake Dragonfly Black Magic Woman Albatross Man Of The World Stop Messin' Round Love That Burns Both albums have the same artwork, and the UK release I used to own on vinyl had the same track listing as the Australian release.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2007 - 6:58 pm:    Bluesmeister: I guess the bean counters at Sony thought that the American audience too primitive to appreciate Green Manalishi, Oh Well, Rattle Snake Shake, or MOTW....wonder who decides these things. (I am awaiting arrival of The Best Of P. Green's Fleetwood Mac.... supposed to be here tomorrow. Can't wait to hear MOTW.) Incidentally, I have been unable to get JSPLIT to work at all re. my attempted scan of the Jigsaw Puzzle Blues transcription...I must be really lame not knowing how to get the program to work. Thanks again for the info on the varied 'Best Of' listings. Best, Allears   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 1:02 am:    Allears, it appears that MOW was a promo in the US with the A-side in mono and the B-side stereo. Maybe it wasn't available commercially, hence doesn't qualify as a hit? http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/albums/fmsingl es_60s.htm Regarding J-Split, I'll contact you off-line with simple tutorial.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 5:33 am:    Now I am hunting "The Green Manalishi" studio version. I have live, shortened version, on CD, recorded in Boston 1970. I'll search in our public libraries. Juha   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 12:36 pm:    Bluesmeister and Juha: The Best of Peter Greens Fleetwod Mac Columbia (510155 2) Track Listings: Albatross Black Magic Woman Need Your Love So Bad My Heart Beat Like a Hammer Rollin' Man The Green Manalishi (With The Two Pronged Crown) Man of the World Something Inside of Me Looking For Somebody Oh Well (Pt1) Oh Well (Pt2) Rattlesnake Shake Merry Go Round I Loved Another Woman Need Your Love Toniight Worried Dream Dragonfly Stop Messin' Around Shake Your Moneymaker I'd Rather Be Blind Albatross (Chris Coco feat. Peter Green) Hope this helps. Best, Allears   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 12:37 pm:    Bluesmeister and Juha: PS - Available at Amazon.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 1:17 pm:    I visited our libraries' website and local library and found: "The Boston Box", live in Boston 1970 remastered, 3CD, Snapper Music 1999 - The Green Manalishi 12.52 - Encore Jam with Joe Walsh and Eric Clapton - etc "The Complete Blue Horizon Sessions 1967 - 1969", 6CD, Columbia, Sony Music Enterntainment UK) 1999 I have these two at home, borrowed from library, and set reservation for "The Vaudeville Years of FM: 1968 to 1970", 2CD, Receiver Records, 1998 - The Green Manalishi included I'll listen and make copies for myself if needed ... Juha   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 6:55 pm:    There you go. COOL!   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 12:55 am:    Ah, it finally arrived, Allears. I guess your stereo's getting a work out right now. How do you find the studio version of MOTW? Talajuha, if you can't find the studio version of Green Manalishi, contact me off-line. You have the track listings for my other PG/FM CDs, so if there's anything else you're interested in, my friend Nero and I will be happy to come to your rescue.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 7:59 am:    Bluesmeister: Yes MOTW...a workout...for my car stereo (and me on more than several levels: lyrics especially, emotions, reflection [and prayer], composition, harmonization...) Listened to it all the way home from my studio. (About a 40 minute drive). Totally blue me away....(pun intended)... Got goose bumps listening to it. The irony of the lyrics when one looks at his later tragic life. Harmonization is wonderful as well....I didn't pick it out with a guitar yet, but it sounded like it was in the key of D: D///|A(A6 at times)///|Gmi(or Gmi6)|D///| D///|A /// |Emi///| Bmi///|....Gmi Pause, etc. Middle Section: F#mi / / /|F#mi / / /|Emi / / /|Emi / / /| Repeats, then a pause on A. Thank you so much for the info that it was out on CD. Best, Allears   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 10:54 am:    I listened five versions of "Need Your Love So Bad" on "The Complete Blue Horizon Sessions 1967 - 1969"/"The Pious Bird of Good Omen". Best was the one without winds and the syrupy strings. Yeah, I know it is sweet but it is amazing how they keep away from too much sweetnes. Hm, is that understandable English. Juha   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 3:28 am:    Allears, it was my pleasure to share that information with you. For me, MOTW is the epitome of a tortured soul crying out for help. The ending is just beautiful, haunting describes it, I think. Talajuha, I particularly like it when PG says after the first version: }"I mucked up the ending". Oh yeah? Well I didn't notice anything wrong with it!   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 7:07 am:    Hi All: Yes it is a beautiful song. Incidentally, the original thread on my trying to find pick-up rings for my AR-305 -- solved some time ago -- has interestingly developed into an extended and very illuminating commentary on, among other things, Peter Green and Fleetwood Mac track listings. At this point, though our commentaries may be better served/'indexed' in the Peter Green thread inspired by Bluesmeister....it has been very enlightening, very rewarding and fun. Another member mentioned/suggested this to me with a smile... Thank you All. Allears

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