Is this an Ibanez?

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Author Message   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 11:15 am:    Ebay Item #260129889585   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 5:18 pm:    Wow, good question, Bob. It has features of the mid-70's Artist twins, but it's certainly not a 2640... I wonder if it's a Cimar version... It says it's an EDS-1275. Never heard of it myself, but that's not saying all that much.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 5:47 pm:    I wouldn't have thought along the lines of a 2640. and...it's not so rare that I stumble across auctions such as this where people are promising you it is an Ibanez but when it gets right down to it... you could never be 100% sure. Maybe 99% but never 100$ without the proper markings etc. I see it pretty often. Selllers explanation of "Ibanez purposely sold these guitars with no name on the headstock back then" sounds weird to me. Even if they used another name other than Ibanez up there, it would give the guitar more value than no name at all. Know what I mean? A guitar with no name anywhere on it? To me it doesn't make sense financially for IBZ to do that. They could sell them easier with a name up there to distributors I would imagine. I'm not saying this one ain't an IBZ, I am just asking if it is. Nice looking guitar for sure. I wouldn't mond it, I'd find some Gibson or Ibanez decals and throw 'em up top there. Just for a hoot. I haven't looked in a while, I think it was bid up near $650 or something so far. Folks like it to some extent at least.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 6:28 pm:    There were of course a lot of owners, who removed the logo of a replica. Just to keep the illusion alive that they were playing a Gibson. There were no real Ibanez vintage collectors back then. The owners were players who couldn't afford the real McCoys. Now we say it's a shame that the logo is gone, back then it was cool to have a brandless mystery axe. People would come to you and ask about it. And you could make up your own story. Ginger   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 6:58 pm:    Those tailpieces don't look right for an IBZ. I've owned one of these (a real IBZ). I don't think the headstock looks exactly right either. Why the black headstocks on a white body? To me, the face of those headstocks look too clean compared to the rest of the guitar, like recent work.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 10:50 pm:    The headstock looks like it's been painted over. I just set up a mid-seventies Les Paul copy for a customer. It had an identical headstock to a Lester the same way Ibanez did but it had the brand name Arita. Maybe made in the same factory as Ibanez? Anybody heard of Arita before?   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 6:57 am:    Hi all This double axe comes close to the Ibanez model 2402DX, but differs in a major point apart from missing any logo and the crown inlays on the headstock. On that point I agree that it might be an overspray job. But apart from that: the entire hardware is chrome and the Ibanez 2402 always had gold hardware. In fact the tailpieces look right: Iīve compared them with those on my 2402 and they are the same. I think Bobzilla that you maybe refered to the fact that they donīt "hook in" (in the studs) like a normal Les Paul/SG-style tailpiece does? The first Ibanez Les Pauls had also these "bolt through" tailpieces and they were used throughout the seventies on the double neck models. About the "Ibanez without a logo" thing. First of all: if a guitar does not bear the Ibanez logo, it is not an Ibanez! Just because it never was given that name, simple as that! The only thing that maybe you could say is that the guitar was made by Fuji Gen Gakki who built guitars under various brand names, amongst them of course Ibanez. But obviously guitars also left the factory without any logo because it would enable distributors to put on an own brand name. It was pretty normal in those days that if you ordered a few badges in one time you were offered to come up of your own brand name. We do know the story of Mr. Gerritsen in The Hague (Holland) who ran a very big and famous music store? He ordered many guitars at the FGG factory and ordered to put on the "Gerrinez" logo; some kind of fusion of his own name and Ibanez. I saw a few "Gerrinez" instruments and they were exactly the same as the Ibanez versions. I saw many other "Ibanez" guitars without logo. They were clearly FGG products and with a little more luck these examples might as well have gotten a logo. But it could have been Ibanez, Antoria....etc. Kind greetz, Harry   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 8:24 am:    Interesting stuff, Guys. I guess I embarassed myself earlier as you probably all knew this, but the Gibson EDS-1275 is a doubleneck Gibson guitar introduced in 1958 as a special-order custom instrument. Perhaps that's why the auctioner used that model name in this listing. And, frankly, I agree with Harry about the logo business. If FujiGen or some other factory pumps out knock-offs without branding, you can't call them Ibanez any more than you can call them Gibson. The auctioner here is only telling us what the original owner told him, and you can't trust that info as provenance for this.

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