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Author Message   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 9:17 pm:    So experts, how much is it worth and what will it sell for? I'm tempted. Curious...   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 9:28 pm:    You're talking about this baby, right? Ebay Item #130151851514 Just kidding. Ebay Item #120159739118 -Chuck   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 9:31 pm:    Ebay Item #120159739118 Yes I'm drooling over that $45.00 acoustic! Sorry I forgot to hit the Add Ebay button.... So what is your guess?   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 9:36 pm:    Well, I put in a bid at $506 and I didn't crack the reserve. ;-) North of $2K if more than one of the current ICW members who lust after these get involved. Too bad it's a 10 day auction. We'll have to wait for it. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 9:41 pm:    Come to me, my pretty! I already saw it. Two of my eBay search agents pegged it.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 9:48 pm:    Like I said, $506 doesn't crack the reserve. My guess is that the reserve is well above $1K. Good luck Peter. I know you've been wanting one for a while. By the way, how's the Moderne restoration coming? -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:18 pm:    Chuch - In all honesty, I may let this one go. I asked the seller for some close up images of the various dents, chips, and buckle rash. So, depending on how bad she looks close up depends whether I'll go all out or not. The Moderne.... *sigh* Remember, you asked... I originally bought a 76 Ibanez Model 2351 with all original gold hardware, including the Super 70s and their covers as a donor guitar. It's in really good shape and once I got it in my hands, I said, "I can't do this. There's got to be another way to get period parts." I found someone with almost a complete set of gold hardware from an early 70s Ibanez LP clone that I have been talking to since 22 July. Right, July. Unfortunately, the guy travels with his band a lot so he's not easy to get in touch with. Last Monday I got an e-mail saying that 3 other guys are now interested in this hardware and he's not sure what he's going to do. He may put it all up on eBay. OK, fine. If you do, please let know. Meanwhile, I'll look elsewhere. On Thursday I got an e-mail saying he's now ready to ship me the hardware. He will pack it up on Tuesday. I've just about had it with this guy. He doesn't know whether he's coming or going and I'm starting to feel the same way. I spoke with the luthier that's going to do the restoration and he still has time to do the Futura before the end of his season if I get it to him soon. He uses outdoor drying sheds so his season is limited by warm weather. I think I'm going to strip the hardware from the 2351 just so I can get it to him. If I come across period replacements later down the road, I may restore the 2351. I don't know. The goal for me is the Futura. Thanks for asking, - Pete   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:21 pm:    Sorry, Chuc*k*. - Pet   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 11:55 pm:    It will be over 2.2K He turned that down.... Crying in my beer...Sniff... Oh well I have too many guitars already: http://www.fenderforum.com/userphotos/index.html?r ecid=29474   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:09 am:    Honestly, I think the auction is between you and Pete, Fox. If the seller won't take $2.2K and we assume Pete sees the photos and decides to pass also, I doubt the seller will get what he's asking. -Chuck   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:13 am:    Pete, I understand about using an Ibby for parts. I bought a PF200 (pics posted under another thread a few weeks ago) and my plan was to pull out the pickups and put in a couple that I bought to mimick Frank Zappa's 1979 LP Custom. When I got the guitar (and based on great feedback from others on ICW) I realized I was two pickup covers and a pickguard away from a stock PF200, so I went in that direction instead. Now I'm not even going to consider an Ibby LP for my project. I've got my eye on a couple Grecos and Burnys instead. Good luck with the Futura. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:32 am:    Fox - You asked the question originally: how much is it worth? Chipped and rashed? Even minimally? About $1300 going by eBay's over inflated prices. I'd go $3K for a mint condition one w/a HSC. I'm not sure I'd go $2K for one that's chipped and rashed. It would have to be *really* minor defects that could be rubbed out. - Pete   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:40 am:    Chuck - I've seen photos of the Greco Destroyers (Explorers?) and they look nice but I've never held one. I'm not familiar with "Burnys". What are those? I need a pair of pup covers for my 75 Destroyer. Will the Greco/Burny versions fit the pole spacing of the Ibanez Super 70s? Thanks, - Pete   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:55 am:    Well this one looks fairly mint but I haven't seen any high res pictures. Have you gotten any better photos yet? It is really hard to tell the real condition of this guitar from the ebay photos. Either way I don't think it will be mine. I really shouldn't spend the money anyway. Would have been a nice impulse buy..   Munch Username: Munch Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 7:06 am:    Hey, shouldn't this be in the replicas topic??   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:29 am:    Fox - I haven't received any images yet. Munch - Probably. - Pete   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:39 am:    Burny is a brand used by Fernandes. Their LP replicas are spot on and high quality. You'll see them all the time on eBay for $600+, just like the Greco LP's. A few months ago there was a Burny/Fernandes Explorer for sale on eBay. I think I even posted the link to it in one of the Destroyer threads. It had a BIN of just $800, I believe. I don't know whether Burny hardware would be transferable, but Greco's should be, since they were made in the FujiGen factory alongside Ibanez guitars. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:54 am:    Thanks, Chuck. - Pete   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 3:52 pm:    I guess that we shall see. I just bought an MC400 which needs some work, but think that I have that arranged. I continue to have a saga with California and the set neck LP. He doesn't respond to inquiries anymore. So how much do I have left under my pillow? If that ain't enough, I'll start pulling more friggin teeth. (lol) Gentlemen, prepare your Visa, this one is going high. I am tired of waiting. Sorry Peter.........................   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 3:58 pm:    You all can see 1500 on the screen, without high res pics, this one will stay there. What do you think this guy has for a minimum?   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 4:12 pm:    If you are completely jonesing for a Destroyer, here's a Greco, looks to be from the 80's though, judging by the absence of a FujiGen serial on the headstock: Ebay Item #320156599497 Much cheaper too. (Though I bet it wouldn't be a replacement source for a true 76/77 Destroyer.) -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:50 pm:    Cleversj - I was wondering when you'd notice this thread. I think Fox submmitted a private offer for $2.2K and was turned down flat. I've asked for some close-up, *in focus* shots of all the defects but I haven't received any response in a day or so. That makes me a little bit nervous. I put in a nominal bid of $300+ and I'm not bidding any higher until I see close ups. He's probably going to want around $3K for this thing. Having admited dents, chips, and buckle rash he's not going to get that kind of cash out of me unless I see close-ups. That is just too much cash for a pig in a poke. - Pete   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:03 pm:    Cleversj - If you're interested, I'm r***e You wouldn't be v***e would you? - Pete   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:03 pm:    It is all yours, I'm not going to bid anymore. I thought the 2.2K was fair but maybe not. Perhaps he will get more. I'll be watching from the sidelines.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:51 pm:    Cleversj - Tell me we aren't bidding against each other on Brett's Challenger, too? - Pete   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 9:01 am:    Peter, Peter, Peter, Would I do a thing like that? Doubtful, the Challenger really doesn't fit, although I did bid on it. The reason it took so long for me to get into the foray is that I was on location and did not have internet access. I also asked for high res pics and am waiting. Someone would have to be (in my opinion) crazy to spend 3000 for that guitar. Supply/demand really does not support that kind of price escalation. I think some celebrity is banging up the price on these referencing the last three that have gone on eBay. Jack   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 9:10 am:    I've been known to occasionally do crazy things but spending $3K blindly is not going to be one of them. There's 8 days left on this auction so I figure I'll give the seller a couple more days and then I'll start nagging him for images. Heck, I thought $1500 was a little pricey for a good one but that seems to be what everyone is now asking for the mid-70s Destroyers and RRSs.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 2:34 pm:    Pete, In the thread above you mention that you already have a '75 Destroyer, is that true? Also, 1500 for a decent conditon Destroyer is well within my budget (this week assuming I don't go buy another MC400 type). the strat copy just caught my eye as a low price guitar that I thought that I would like to try out. If you are really into it, I'll leave it alone. I didn't really want to spend big money on one anyways. It just looked clean. Jack   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:10 pm:    Jack - Yes, I do. The 75 Destroyer was the one I found on The Gear Page. That's part of my problem. The 75 I have is pretty clean. It's missing the pup covers and it has a few minor chips on the back side edges but it's nice. I've got it unstrung right now because I'm trying to make pup covers that fit but I'm not having much luck. So, for me to shell out $3K for this one that's on eBay right now, it better be at least as clean as the 75 I already have. Emotionally, though, I want a version that's like the one I used to own and that's either a 76 or a 77. I don't really know. I wasn't in to collecting back then, it was just a great guitar. Actually, what I want is my old one back but that will never happen. *sigh* - Pete   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:16 pm:    Jack - If you want the Challenger, too, go for it. It's a little more beat up than I would like (sorry Brett) so I'm not emotionally tied into it. - Pete   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:18 pm:    I'm telling you guys, if neither of you bids this thing up, it will sit at $1,500 for the rest of the auction. I'd wait for the seller to crack and lower his reserve. Then, flip a coin and one of you pounce. Then, when the next one comes along, there's just one of you left to get it. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:23 pm:    Having this one not sell for $1500 might not be the worst thing in the world, either. It might give everyone a much needed reality check.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 6:14 pm:    If you remember, the last one went to the 1500 range, sat then went through the roof in the final minutes. I happened to be traveling and stopped outside a Holiday Inn in Memphis and was I ever shocked when the final price came through. Nobody on ICW fessed up to that auction, nor the immediate previous auction which if memory serves me did the same thing. I really have a tough time stomaching 2200 but I am tired of looking. I believe that I am the same as the rest of you in the fact that I will not pay much for a beat up guitar. I have had three bad experiences on flebay in the last year and am considering other avenues - like ICW for my new additions. I tried to get some pics form ozarkmountaindaredevil eBay seller but they were very uncooperative. After the auction ended, I wrote countless emails with increasing offers and never received a reply. I think that this seller has had other guitar auctions, anybody know who he is? Jack   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 6:17 pm:    Peter, Also, I second your last email about a reality check about the prices of these guitars. With that being said, I still want one. If this auction goes the route of the last auction, the seller might get rich. You never know. Jack   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:20 pm:    Jack - Like i said previously, this auction won't follow the others as far as I'm concerned unless I see close ups and the defects are negligible. You must have missed the threads on the other auctions. I'm assuming you mean the two eBay Destroyers that were in near-mint condition and came one right after the other? I was the reason the last Destroyer went up to $2800 (I think). I kept nickel and diming it up a $100 at a time thinking the other guy would eventually quit. He didn't and I started getting cold feet as I got closer to $3K. The one before that I pushed it up to about $2200 and I think that's when the second one came onto eBay. I bailed out of the first one thinking I'd get the second one cheaper. Boy was I wrong. Now I'm kicking myself for not going to the mat for one of them. There was a third Destroyer (it might have been a RRS) on eBay that wasn't in as nice shape that I bid on. It looked like a mismatch of parts and a non-serial number neck. It was being advertised as a 75 but it had FF pups. I asked for close up photos and got them. I told her she either had something really rare or a cobbled up instrument so I needed more info. I never heard from her again and it didn't sell. - Pete   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 8:19 am:    Peter, Those are the three auctions that I mentioned and I bid against you in both of them and neither one of us won the auctions. Miss ozarkantiques had the third auction and mysteriously disappeared after the close of auction. She is the one that I sent numerous emails to and she never responded. I had asked to see the guitar in person as I knew that I would be driving within 100 miles of it. NO response. Even with high res pics, this guitar is really worth less than 2000 (my opinion) and upper thread comment of 1300 seems reasonable. 1500 probably will be my final bid. I really don't like what I am seeing in these guitars anymore.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 9:02 am:    It's already at $1500 and change. I stopped bidding in the $300s.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 9:19 pm:    Just got an email stating that the seller has dropped the reserve price. To what we don't know but it surely is not 1501.02   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 10:20 pm:    Probably *down* to $2500   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 10:47 pm:    Jack - I got pictures. It's is pretty good shape. You want me to e-mail them to you? They're too big to post here. They're about 1.7M-1.8M each. If I send them to you one at a time will they get through your mail server? Let me know. - Pete   Ducati Username: Ducati Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 7:48 am:    The Greco Explorer linked above is actually a later 80's model and probably unsuitable if you are looking for an Ibanez "lawsuit" period Destroyer. You want an earlier Greco like this one http://tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=45198&highli ght=&sid=71799822159b559e10930f736459dafa#45198 I've owned both Ibanez & Greco Destroyers and they are identical. You may want to expand your search to the Greco "Korina" models as well, you will be pleased with the quality.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:30 pm:    Peter, Got your emails. Thanks. Something is wrong with this auction, I can just feel it. The Seller has not responded to my inquiry. Something isn't right here, BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For now, I think I will pass on this one. Something is definitely wrong here.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 3:20 pm:    Jack - Maybe paranoia is contagious but I was looking at the neck going: eeeehhhhhh, I dunno. So, I'm kind of with you on this one. I dunno. He may just be busy, swamped with requests, or just plain lazy. It took a few days and two requests for me to get images. What kind of questions did you ask? I know you really want one of these (as do I). I'm still thinking about it but not as hard as I was. My comfort zone with this one isn't very high for some reason and I don't know why. I'd definitely do it for $1500, maybe for $2K but definitely not above that. Someone has the new high bid but it's still in the $1500s. Fox? Is that yours? - Pete   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 3:38 pm:    I guess the seller is hoping for a lot more since he got the guitar for $2775. Here's the old auction: Ebay Item #220120244829 Juergen   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:18 pm:    No is isn't my bid. I made him that offer and he passed, the $2700 ebay auction explains why. I don't think I'm going to bid on it. I have debts I need to pay on other guitars / amps already..... And I thought $2,200 was a lot to offer for that guitar. John   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:50 pm:    John - Nice find. That's the one I gave up on at about $2800. I'd have been seriously PO'd if I had paid $2800 and it showed up like this. OK, I feel better knowing that. Yup, he's going to have to take a loss to sell this one to me. A big loss. What worries me, though, is he also bought this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =130121155956 and a couple of Super 70s. And paranoia rears its ugly head yet once again. - Pete   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:03 pm:    Sorry, Juergen. Nice find and thanks for posting it. - Pete   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:19 pm:    So put this one in the same boat as the $1978 Challenger. The $2775 Destroyer.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 6:03 pm:    OK, Jack. It looks like this is your chance. I can't believe I'm going to say this but...I'm passing on this one. It doesn't look like it's in too bad shape but I don't want it bad enough to go $2K for it. - Pete   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 6:55 pm:    Pete, I already gave up on it. I did the research and knew that he had the pus for sale and also he purchased the "Memphis wreck" Destroyer for 500 earlier this spring. What I have to ask myself is what am I actually getting at the end of the auction, all of the original parts, some of the original parts or just the body. Additionally, his response followed after my second request for information. Made me nervous. As previously stated in the thread, I 'll pass. If I am correct, that makes three of the last three high bidders at the 2800 price who have dropped out. I Knew I'd seen that name somewhere!!!   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:54 pm:    I e-mailed this guy and told him I figured out he was the one that outbid me on this Destroyer back in June. He 'fessed up and told me the story. Boy, did he get screwed. He paid immediately and the owner took 9 weeks to send him the guitar. And then it showed up like this when it was advertised as very clean. He said he had the lawyers on standby but never said what resulted. After 9 weeks, I think he was probably SOL with both eBay and with PayPal. Ouch! I feel for the guy. That could have been me.... There, but for the grace of God, go I. Whew! Dodged a bullet.   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 11:58 pm:    Yes you did. I looked at the bidding history on that auction and you two were at it hard. Paypal and eBay seem pretty lame regarding buyer protection. I've been hosed a few times and neither paypal or ebay did much to help. My credit card company usually is much more helpful. That is why I always pay with a credit card when I use paypal. I wonder if his auction will even top 2,000 now.... Too bad he got hosed. Did he say if it had its original parts or did he have to piece it together? John   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:02 am:    Now he is saying he doesn't know if it is made of Korina or Japanese Sen??? On Sep-12-07 at 05:10:51 PDT, seller added the following information: UPDATE!! A NUMBER OF 'EXPERTS' HAVE COMMENTED THAT THEY BELIEVE THIS GUITAR TO BE JAPANESE SEN AND NOT KORINA... I WAS TOLD BY A KNOWLEDGEABLE LUTHIER THAT THIS WAS KORINA..I'll let you make your own decision. Still,...one amazing guitar.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:11 am:    John - I didn't ask. I *assumed* it was the guitar he bought for $2700. Yeah, I saw the update. He needs a new luthier, too. - Pete   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:32 am:    Never-the-less, at 1750 and counting. Actually, I should bid on it. I have to have sympathy for another musician going through •••• with eBay and PayPal. "And I'll get on my knees and pray, we don't get screwed again"   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 7:50 am:    Go for it, Jack. I won't get in your way. - Pete   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 9:22 am:    It's over $1825. Amazing how folks keep bidding so far in advance of auction end.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 11:16 am:    Bob, it's a fishing behavior, everyone looking for the reserve price, but afraid they might actually hit it. I just won an AS103NT this week, and because I didn't want to be bothered playing around (and because I knew I could use BIN on another AS103NT in eBay shops to get one for $681) I just put a $682 bid on the one I was after. That was with three or four days to go on the auction. The same guy (I don't think he was a shill, btw) kept picking at my bid, $10 at a time, until the price was up to $550, where he gave up. I'm happy to get the guitar at $550, since I was prepared to go, literally, to $682, but I found it fascinating to watch him bidding. I don't hold anything against the guy, since for all he knew, when he put in $540, he could have topped my max price. -CHuck   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 11:30 am:    It's the easiest thing in the world to find any reserve on any auction... and still not place a (lasting) bid. Let's say there's an ar500 with an opening asking price of $500 and you can see there is also a reserve. So.... you bid $1000 for example. And, let's just say the guys reserve was $900. That $1000 bid you just placed will exceed the $900 reserve and you will see that. Your bid will register in the auction and you will see the reserve was exceeded at the $900 mark. Although you bid $1000, your bid will only register at $900 in the auction view but it will bid up to your $1000 by proxy, if necessary. In any event, once you've done this... go and retract your bid. Now you know the reserve but... you haven't left a registered bid. It's fool-proof, works every time, there's no way around it. Call it a slight "glitch" in the ebay system. There is no way anyone can successfully hide a reserve price on ebay because of what I just indicated above.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 1:57 pm:    If I really want to know what the seller's reserve price is I always just ask. No one has turned me down yet. I've only had a couple of people get snotty with me for asking but they did tell me what it was. They might just as well tell me or watch me pick at the bid $10 at a time for hours....   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 2:28 pm:    Guys: Did you see this? He bought what appears to be a different one for $500 in June: Ebay Item #130121155956 Unfortunately, no pix available. mk   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 4:25 pm:    Bob: The problem with that tactic is that bid retractions are tracked and abusers are investigated and bounced by eBay.   Jcmc64 Username: Jcmc64 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 5:55 pm:    MK...Peter listed that ref already on 9\ 12 above. Bob...Am I missing something? In Ex you give, if it is at a $500 opening bid, and you bid $1000 right away, it will just show up at $500, until someone else bids it up to your max bid...???? Maybe I'm green here as I never really bother with reserve auctions at all (unless their reasonable reserve, or have been met already). Do reserve auctions behave differently when you lay down a large max bid? Pure bred Special forces trained, Sniper at the very end...but lets not go there again.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 5:59 pm:    What a trip, eBay will bounce you. They won't lift a finger on the broken neck guitar that I purchased last month. In fact the guy still has my money and the guitar and they still won't do a friggin thing, yet they will bounce me? I think I should consider suing those idiots.   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 6:39 pm:    mk, i remember that one. it had the finish stripped and looked zebra striped. i almost bought it. but wasn't quick enough.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, September 17, 2007 - 7:42 am:    Jc, once you retract bid, auction goes right back to whatever it was... as if you hadn't bid at all. I think Johns is right though, if you do it too often, they'll bounce you. Silly. They should fix the glitch instead of bouncing folks who really aren't doing anything "wrong." If Ebay has it set up so this tactic can be used, why should they fault anyone for doing it? I've only done it 1x or 2x myself in many many years.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 3:03 pm:    Well, it broke $2K, barely. Who is p***m? Is it one of us? I'd like to know what kind of shape this thing is really in.   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 3:45 pm:    Well it didn't make the reserve. I wonder if he will come back to me for the 2.2K offer I made him.... I don't think I need it even at 2.2K though. John   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 4:59 pm:    Relisted with a $2,950 BIN. mk   Jcmc64 Username: Jcmc64 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 6:37 pm:    Here's the relist Ebay Item #120163400565 77' Korina Destroyer   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 7:09 pm:    That's $200 more than what he paid, including S&H. He will be lucky to get back the $2750 he's got into it. Interesting - the potty mouth filter doesn't like the contraction for "he will".   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 7:12 pm:    Ah - he also added a Best Offer option, too.   Ducati Username: Ducati Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 8:25 pm:    Well, nothing wrong with making a profit. He obviously has a very desirable item that is generating lots of discussion!   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 10:28 pm:    Oh, absolutely not. It's nice to have dreams but I think he's dreaming a little bit too much. He bought at a time when there was a feeding frenzy in the waters from the previous Destroyer that sold for around $2200 (I think). There's no feeding frenzy now, though. I think he's also hurting himself by posting all the comments from the so-called experts. Don't confuse your audience.   Jjhuntfox Username: Jjhuntfox Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 12:18 am:    I bet he had buyers remorse right after he won that auction. Now he is just trying to break even on it. I think he is way upside down in that guitar. He'd be better to sit on it for a few years and maybe get his money out. But that is a lot to have tied up in a guitar that you are scared to play. Any more dents or dings and it will just go down. Those destroyers are hard guitars to not bonk on and into things.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 10:25 am:    It's gone! I don't mean ended, I mean it looks like the seller just pulled the listing. ????   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 2:03 pm:    It's baaaaaaack! Ebay Item #120163697137 The BIN is now $2850 with a reserve price and no Best Offer anymore.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:00 pm:    As The ICW community is aware, I really want one of these, however the price is way too high. If this guy really wants to dump the guitar, he will have to take a loss, sorry dude.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 12:28 pm:    It didn't sell. It didn't hit the reserve price. High bid was $2175 which is $150 more than in the previous auction. Next time, I think someone is just going to say "screw it" and buy it.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 12:46 pm:    Peter, you have to buy it so someone doesn't buy it and then paint it blue. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 2:29 pm:    As long as they don't rout it out for a Kahler...   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 4:24 pm:    What will the blue whale go for?   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 9:17 pm:    It's baaaaack again! Ebay Item #120167929947 If I were him, I'd just list it at the reserve price, to save us all a lot of grief. I think he's trying to wear you guys down, Clever and Peter. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 11:28 pm:    Man! I feel like I'm watching a video of a gory train wreck over and over and over... I hate myself for watching it but I just can't stop. I noticed he upped his S&H costs by $5   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 12:25 am:    There's something weird going on. It's listed twice: Ebay Item #120167826376 Ebay Item #120167929947   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 12:18 pm:    Peter, looks like the first one was ended after 6 bids... Not too sure about the way this seller is conducting himself, guys. I mean, end an auction because of a 5 dollar discrepancy on shipping price?!?! Very suspect, IMO. Anyway, no BIN. Good luck, guys. I smell some sniping activity in your future. ;)   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 1:00 pm:    Forget sniping. This should be a classic example of shill bidding. The guy/his buddy is bidding on his own auction. That would really explain everything.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 2:55 pm:    Well, I just bid it way over where it should sell at, so snipe away, this joker is bent on getting his $2750 back and like I've said before SORRY DUDE Wish he'd quit wasting our time.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 3:01 pm:    I threw in a $750 bid just for the •••• of it, knowing it was way below BIN. Just bored. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 5:12 pm:    It looks like he kept the auction with the higher current bid (Jack's) - which makes sense.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 10:39 pm:    But................I am still under the reserve which I believe to be $2750. BELIEVE ME WHEN I WRITE, I HAVE BID AS HIGH AS I AM GOING TO BID - AND THAT'S IT. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 12:42 am:    He might get lucky. I was trying to sell the old archtop I bought from a guy for $200. I had listed it once with a high reserve, and bids never got higher than $250. This time, when I listed it, I didn't have a reserve and put the starting bid at $500. It sat for five days without a bid. I got •••••• off, decided I might as well keep the guitar, but first, I jacked up the starting bid to $700 and the BIN to $1000. I figured it wouldn't sell and I could just leave it on my wall. In the last few minutes, a buyer swooped in and took it for $700. So I'm very happy. (And, by the way, the buyer got a good deal too. The low appraised value I got on it was $700 to $900.) So lightening can strike. Still, I think all the truly interested parties for this Explorer are ICW members and it's unlikely a new one is just going to wander into eBay. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 9:36 am:    Jack - I see you've upped your initial bid. You ought to make him a private offer and see if he bites. It would have to be over $2200, though. - Pete   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 9:55 pm:    Pete, Made offer, had no response so I bid 2200.01 and guess what, somebody now has overbid that amount. The interesting thing is that in the last 30 days this is the only item that this person has bid on. Sounds kinda shilly to me. I guess that we will just have to wait and see. I am done bidding on this item. I hope somebody gets it that will respect it as much as I would have.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 1:28 am:    Ebay Item #180166877857 Just don't have a heart attack. It's Greco, not Ibanez.   Ducati Username: Ducati Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:29 pm:    That Greco is actually a much later model, and while a great guitar, is built quite differently than the earlier Ibanez/Greco models. Truss rod, wood type, pickups, tuners, construction are all different. Doesn't make it any worse, in some ways it's actually more faithful to the Gibson original.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:11 am:    Unbelievable. How many times is this guy going to relist this destroyer?? It's back. Now he's trying no reserve, but with a high start bid. Interesting. Ebay Item #120170338640   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:23 am:    Well, that's that then. He's finally accepted reality, since his starting bid is just about $50 above the high bid he's received prior, and his BIN is lower than the $2,750 he paid for it himself. I say this time it sells (and to one of you guys, by the way). lol   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:26 am:    Just for posterity's sake, here are a couple pictures from the auction: -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:30 am:    I think Jack will get it.   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:50 am:    Peter, There are several old sayings that I could use, but I will choose the "it's not nice to fool with mother nature" kinda thing. Look at the facts, the $2225.01 bid was a shill bid. I bid $2200.01 to see who was going to bid on it. I felt safe as the BIN was in my opinion $2750. Nobody on their right mind would give that much for this guitar (yep, I admit it when it comes to a Destroyer I am not in my right mind), but if Momo paid $1600 for a mint and I mean mint Destroyer then that is what real market should be. With that being said, I hate to wait this guy out. I think that I need to go to New Jersey and really look this thing over. This guitar has received a lot of press lately for something that I believe is setting the bar for vintage Ibbys. How high will it go? who knows. My initial inclination is to pass at $2200 and see what happens. The buyer will be on ICW as in my opinion, I really don't think the guitar is worth that much.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 11:14 am:    Momo was in the right place at the right time for the Crazy Train Destroyer. I think he got a super bargain on that one and that someone else would have easily paid $2,500 for it. Remember the serial number of that one, because in a couple years it will come up for auction and set some records (if records will be kept, that is). -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 2:28 pm:    Jack - I wasn't trying to rile you up. I just figured you'd spring for it since the opening bid is less than what you bid last time. I agree: about $1500-1600 is about the right price. That's what I paid for my 75 not too long ago. Momo is a once-in-a-lifetime occurance. I don't ever expect to see that sort of thing again during my lifetime. Why do you say the $2225.01 bid was a shill bid? That bidder has 64 auction wins under their belt. It's not really a shill bid anyway since their bid didn't hit the reserve. A shill bid artificially inflates the price of the item. Granted, the current auction bid was raised but the price of taking the Destroyer home didn't go up because the reserve price was still the reserve price and hadn't been met. Ergo, no shill bid. I'm passing as well but I think some of the bidders from the last auction(s) will snipe for it. - Pete   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 1-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 2:38 pm:    yip yip...yap yap yap. And all we see is rip. This IS now the eBay Ibanez Auction Evaluation Site....yuk!   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 8:06 pm:    Having a bad day, strings?   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:15 pm:    Strings, YAP YAP YAP, I wish that I would have known about this site before I spent over $600 for a junk lawsuit gold top, or $550 for a junk bolt on, or $780 for a guitar that I never got. All were fortold in the forum.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 4:07 pm:    The dude relisted his Destroyer again. No starting price, there is a reserve, and a BIN of $2399.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 4:08 pm:    Sorry, this will probably help: Ebay Item #120170338640   Ducati Username: Ducati Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:43 pm:    The NOS one was worth way more than what was paid for it. A great score due to the fixed price. On ebay, the sky would have been the limit for that guitar.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 8:21 pm:    Huh? What NOS one? What did I miss?   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 9:28 pm:    The Crazy Train Destroyer from The Gear Page, Peter.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 9:53 pm:    Thanks, Chuck. Yeah, if that one had hit eBay I would have gone to $3K easy. You know, though, at the same time I would have been paranoid like crazy thinking I was buying one of those $200 Chinese knock-offs. - Pete   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 10:09 pm:    I haven't seen any V's or Destroyers on the Chinese site, so I think we're safe.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 1-2005 Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 2:27 am:    CJ, Chaz, I read this thread (and many others these days) top to bottom, and other than "Ducati"s brief input on "differences", I learn nothing about the guitar...100+ posts and nothing. ...just blowin air about sellers........again. What a major f****** yawn in my not-so-humble-opinion. "rip" = zip. Makes me wonder if you guys know what one of these sound like. Perhaps it's all implied and I just flat out missed it. oh, and no, I was havin' a good day - good week, thanks for askin'!   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 8:22 am:    It's gone again (maybe strings bought it just to stop the thread)   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 11:31 am:    Strings - You have mail. - Pete   Ducati Username: Ducati Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 11:32 am:    Yes, I was speaking of the Destroyer from The Gear Page. I would imagine the demand for it would drive the price way up. Over $3000 without a problem. I see no reason to be paranoid about counterfeits. There are so many tells on these Ibanez Destroyers, and so many idiosyncracies, it would pretty dang hard to make a convincing knockoff. The hardware for one thing would be very tough to get the same material and appearance. Just look at the back of the headstock for the wood joints, that's a very specific aspect of the construction that would take a lot of time to fake. Plus, the case! Very hard to duplicate the outer covering, the spidery paper stuff they used. And I don't think these guitars are valuable enough to counterfeit (at least not yet, the way you guys are going!).   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 2:01 pm:    While I don't like it when threads get very long (the Announcing the 2007 Reissue one is so long, I won't even try to open it anymore) there is a value to these endless discussions on eBay pricing and authenticity. I've learned a great deal from them, especially how to take a breath when a new guitar pops on the Bay, and take a good, critical look at it before putting in a bid. I also like the discussions around condition, originality of hardware, etc. Keep the eBay discussions coming!

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