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Acetan
Username: Acetan

Registered: 09-2003
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 7:19 pm:   
...a 6-12 with different style peg-heads but matching inlaids.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=7317032850&rd= 1
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Johns
Username: Johns

Registered: 02-2001
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   
Hmmm...looks suspicious to me.
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 8:28 pm:   
Strange indeed pre lawsuit 6 string headstock post 12. Makes you wonder.
So has anyone seen a post lawsuit double necker?

Harry, how about you?
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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul

Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 9:08 pm:   
Post lawsuit doubleneckers are quite common over here.
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   
So maybe this thing had a neck change at some point.
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Johns
Username: Johns

Registered: 02-2001
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:15 pm:   
Freak:

I would agree with the neck change idea. I'll guess the 6 string side.
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 7:11 am:   
Yeah my thoughts exactly. If it was a set neck we'd be baffled
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 7:42 am:   
Here is the specimen in question....

twin frankenstien
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Padraic
Username: Padraic

Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 1:32 pm:   
I thought I would post some pics of my doubleneck with post-lawsuit headstocks here as a comparison. Serial number is L770157, which must make it one of the last copies made at the factory? Ironically, mine also had a nasty headstock break (on the 12 string side) some years back (courtesy of my then 3 year old). Happily, I was able to obtain a replacement neck in the correct style through this board and Geoff Byrne :-)

headstocks

guitar
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Bluesmeister
Username: Bluesmeister

Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 9:51 pm:   
Just out of interest, where does the serial number appear on twin-necks?
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Acetan
Username: Acetan

Registered: 09-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:12 pm:   
On a 2640, the # is on the back of the peg-head on the 6-string neck.
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:21 pm:   
Its been sold using the BUY IT NOW option.
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Jeffsailor
Username: Jeffsailor

Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 6:56 am:   
Take a look at this artist:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=7317410078

It has plain pearloid block inlays, and contrary to what it claims in the listing, I can only count 22 frets. Don't think I've ever seen one like this.

a1
a2
a3
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Jeffsailor
Username: Jeffsailor

Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 7:00 am:   
Oops, sorry about the small pictures...

a1
a2
a3
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 7:32 am:   
Looks like ebony fretboard! Hmmm this is very interesting!
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 1:13 pm:   
Freak...Looks like an early 2618 that someone added block fretmarkers to
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 2:13 pm:   
Could be.
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Flatbag
Username: Flatbag

Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   
Jeff, I counted 24 frets - try counting by fret markers: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 12, 15, 17, 19, 21, 24.
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Jeffsailor
Username: Jeffsailor

Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:14 am:   
yep, 24. I just learned to count that high this weekend :-)
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Flatbag
Username: Flatbag

Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 6:17 am:   
Yeah that's why I had to count by fret markers - only had to take off one shoe!
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 3:40 pm:   
I just recieved this guitar and , much to my suprise-the fret markers are original and the board is "ebonized" rosewood (damn)..Good news is that its in pretty good shape. The owner has installed a push/pull pots, a Varitone switch and a signal splitter-but did not drill any new holes-now to break out the stash of NOS parts to return this baby to its original look. Has anyone ever seen an artist (I assume its a 2218) with plain perloid markers (they look like the markers on the early Iceman)?
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:38 am:   
OK, now I have a problem..I plugged this guitar in for a test drive and these "TR Doyle" pickups are friggin amazing...tons of punch and growl, but no noise ! All the best parts of a PAF and a Dimarzio morphed together-only thing is they are friggin UGLY...I might try a set of covers.....Anyone ever heard of these Doyle pickups ? from the net I was able to find out that hes from Jersey and has pUPS in a lot of jazz boxes-but theres not a lot of info...}
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 4:42 pm:   
So what do you do Dave? Maybe you should drop these pups in another guitar. It's your baby!
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   
Thinking about putting 'em into a '77 Iceman
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 12:42 am:   
They would look good in a Black Iceman. What color is yours?
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 12:01 pm:   
Its sn AV ('77) but it has some aftermarket pups in it with creme colored bobbins-I'll put these in and put the Ibanez S '80's covers on 'em..
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 7:36 am:   
Cool that would look great!
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 8:24 am:   
OK, spent a couple of hours on this guitar...I added: NOS pearl tuners, NOS Super 80's, NOS Tone/Volume pots,NOS selctor switch, Orange Drop caps, Sure Grip Knobs, new PUP surrounds (Gibson)..OK she looks and sounds great (little problem with the bridge PUP-a screw broke off in the body right where a new screw needs to go-you may notice that the pup is a tiny bit crooked-I'll fix that next string change) The guitar is a "G77". This guitar came with the plain tuners (but they were the ones with the adjustment screw and tool) and a plain bone nut (original, I checked). Possibly had plain knobs on it , but since it was a '77-I put the sure grips on it.

I really like the plain inlays-reminds me of the Iceman inlays.

Any Comments ?}

My question is on the inlays..Clearly this is a 2618-check out how close together the pups are in relation to the neck-Has anyone ever seen an Artist with these inlays ? They are original, no doubt.

artist
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 1:30 pm:   
Looks good Dave! I guess you got yourself a rare bird with those inlays on it.
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Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix

Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 3:27 pm:   
Dave

Check around the 12th fret to see if there are any plugged holes where the double fret marker dots may have been

Can't say I've seen a 2618 with block inlays.

Six
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Steveg219
Username: Steveg219

Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 1:15 pm:   
Are these models that precise? I somehow got the impression that Ibanez had some flexibility in those days. I would like to hear your thoughts on that, whether or not the exact features of each model were always the same.
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 8:16 pm:   
I have combed this guitar up and down , compared it to other '77's (remember the 2619's with the abalone purfiling ?) those block inlays are ORIGINAL to this guitar ! What is confusing is that its actually kinda late in the year for "transition" models (its a "G"= June)...
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Bluepill
Username: Bluepill

Registered: 07-2004
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:01 pm:   
the 1990 artist reissues has plain block inlays
Ar200 and AR300

i like em better than the MOP, then again im a simple man :-)
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Spiro
Username: Spiro

Registered: 02-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 5:35 pm:   
Dave.. It would be near impossible to tell if the inlays were aftermarket.. A half decent repairer could fit new block inlays to a guitar without anyone being able to tell the difference. The biggest giveaway would be if they are true Mother of pearl or plastic (plastic inlays are not common on the luthier market)To me they look like they were fitted to a guitar with dot inlays to get the look of the Lesp Paul customs of the time.

I have just bought a set of pre cut inlays to fit to an sz320..

split block inlays
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g

Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 8:41 pm:   
Spiro, if these are aftermarket, the guy that put them in should be working for Ibanez-even under VERY CLOSE inspection-there are NO miscuts, no Misalignments,no filler or glue marks, no evidence of any previous dots and no miscuts or scrapes or lines on the board anywhere ! I've seen THOUSANDS of boards-both factory and aftermarket-this is factory-no doubt !
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Spiro
Username: Spiro

Registered: 02-2001
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   
hmmm.....

I have redone inlays and I can tell ya that unless you have 10 thumbs you can do a perfect job. Ibanezes inlay work is sometimes pretty poor and they use filler.. A luthier would do a better job than factory I can assure you.. Besides if you were replacing dots there is no way in hell of telling.. cause where the dots were there is now bigass piece of MOP!!
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 7:26 am:   
Spiro can you give us a quick walk through an inlay job?
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Jeffsailor
Username: Jeffsailor

Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 2:55 pm:   
I tend to agree with Spiro on this one. Although it’s impossible to know for sure that the inlays are not factory, it is quite easy to do that sort of inlay work.

Its especially easier when the inlays are square blocks since you can basically "rough out" the perimeter of the inlay with a good sharp chisel or razor knife, or better yet, use a template in combination with a bit collar on your router/dremmel.

Freak, there's a good book on doing inlay work by Larry Robinson called "The Art Of Inlay". The book does a real nice job of outlining the techniques that he uses. It also has some impressive examples of some of his personal work.
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Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 5:18 pm:   
Thanks Jeff!

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