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Author Message   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 2:02 pm:    Hi guys, just like to share some pics of my new family member, a near mint '81 AR-3000. The pics aren't too good due to bad light and a lousy photographer but I guess you get the impression. Enjoy Juergen   Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 2:20 pm:    It is really nice. Thanks for sharing. Ace   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 2:21 pm:    Juergen: Absolutely stunning! Where did you snag it from?   Guitarman Username: Guitarman Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 3:15 pm:    Juergen, Truly beautiful and in top shape. It looks like it is brand new. Congratulations, Victor   Fg100 Username: Fg100 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 3:24 pm:    Amazing! Great shape and beauty. I'm sure it sounds like its looks. These guitars are great instruments! Congratulations. PS: Let me know when you want to clear space in your collection.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 4:27 pm:    Drool! I love this guitar. It is sweet eye candy!   Steveg219 Username: Steveg219 Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 4:52 pm:    Congratulations, that one is a real score. What are the four extra switches for? I would expect two for tri-sound, but I see two others as well.....?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 6:27 pm:    There are 3 and an led indicator.   Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 7:01 pm:    Congratulations Jurgen, 'she is a beauty... enjoy!!!!!!!!! cheers emilio   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 7:04 pm:    Thanks for the kind words, guys! The guitar looks even nicer "in person". It plays and sounds like a dream! Johns: The guitar was listed on Ebay Italy a few weeks ago and was also mentioned in a thread. Steveg219: As Ibanezfreak1960 already stated, there are 3 switches (2 Tri-Sounds and the EQ/Preamp switch) and a LED which indicates the EQ/Preamp status. Juergen   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:22 pm:    Jurgen, that is truly a beautiful guitar. It looks utterly pritine, it's been well looked after, probably by someone who really appreciated what they had. Shouldn't the truss rod cover have Artist engraved on it? JohnS summed it up very nicely: Absolutely stunning.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:49 am:    Jurgen: I'm curious, what kind of material is the dark binding? Any closeup pictures of it inside the cutaways?   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 3:30 pm:    J... would you mind letting us know what you paid for it? Have you bought off Ebay Italy before? Awesome, awesome guitar.   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 6:33 pm:    According to the seller the AR-3000 belonged to his brother who studied playing guitar and used it for about 3 years. After that it apparently spent most of its time in the case being appreciated and admired, hence the zero fret wear. Not a bad choice for a beginner's guitar, I'd say The trussrod-cover on most of those Artist Limited Editions is made of brass with a wood veneer. The binding looks similar to the one used on the AR-5000 models. In the '81 and '82 catalogs the binding is described as "grained ivoroid", that's all I could find out. Here is a link to the auction: AR-3000 on Ebay Italy As you can see I paid 1.100 Euro (approx. US$ 1.400) for the guitar. Considering that the average price for a nice AR-500 on Ebay in Europe is approx. 1.000 Euro, I would say it was a bargain! Especially for a guitar in that condition and a total production number of only 28 units It was my first purchase off Ebay Italy. I used an escrow service and arranged the pick-up of the guitar via a parcel service myself, so it all went smoothly. I assume the fact that the seller had a low feedback, the high starting price and the blurry pics discouraged some potential bidders... Good for me Juergen   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 8:12 pm:    YOG! < Unbelieveable ! What a nice guitar and in excellent condition....Looks just like my AR5000 but }without the vines-you really caught a nice one and at a VERY GOOOD price !   Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:00 pm:    Yogi congratulations with your new guitar its a beauty !!!! Wow...these Artist models are hip !!   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:24 pm:    Would you trade this for a Mint 96' PRS Custom 24 10 top w/birds. Trans. Purple?Worth a shot!   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:44 pm:    "The trussrod-cover on most of those Artist Limited Editions is made of brass with a wood veneer." Yes, I can see that quite clearly now in the closeup. Thanks for sharing your good fortune with us Juergen. You've made a lot of us very envious.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:51 am:    Thats the same price a new 3000 cost in 2004 without the "extra mile trim package and eq". You got an awesome deal for sure. In my opinion this far more better then a Custom Agent.   Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 9:21 am:    Jurgen, once again , you have snagged a true bargain, out of the Sydney or Ebay bargain hunts. Shall you always prevail over those who try to 2 do what u do.Keep up the good work on keeping the real deal real "downunder" It is good men like you who keep the dream "truly"alive when Captain Ibanez and Mr Spiro are office bound ! Captain Ibanez   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:52 pm:    For a reference, here´s the binding on my "baby"   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 9:14 pm:    Tubescorcher: Thanks for the offer but the only guitar I would trade this for would be a AR-5000 (Hey, the AR-3000 is twice as rare!) I waited for over 20 years to get an Artist Limited Edition so I guess I will keep it for a while... The only flaw of the deal was that there only was a cheapo case included, but I guess you just can't have everything. Anyway, today a nice Ibanez AR-C case arrived, so Baby's resting in a appropriable way from now on. As a compensation the original manual was included, the first time I saw one in real life. I just love those little extras There were some great bargains on Ebay Germany recently: A '78 2681 Bob Weir with vines that went for a 1.100 Euro ($1.400) BIN (I guess we will read that story very soon ) and an early 2671 Randy Scruggs in Brown Sunburst that went for approx. $900. That one had corroded hardware and some chips but I think for that price it was a steal, though. Juergen   Steveg219 Username: Steveg219 Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:30 pm:    Congrats again, this is really quite a special find!!   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 5:48 am:    Juergen, you wrote:"There were some great bargains on Ebay Germany recently:" but did you miss this? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7320821338   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 8:24 am:    Arto, nope I didn't miss that auction. In fact I was watching it closely, I just didn't want to spoil it and spread the word (or the link) before you did. Congratulations to that beautiful guitar, a great find and still a bargain! It will truly be a great addition to your collection, I'm looking forward to see the pics! Another thing: Did you notice that your friend Wilo's AR-3000 and yours are actually siblings? They have consecutive serial numbers! (Oh, and sorry if I have spoiled this ) It's nice to know that 2 of only 6 AR-3000 that were made in 1980 are (or will be soon) located in Finland and have even consecutive serial numbers. Pretty cool I'd say! Juergen   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 9:56 am:    Hey, hey. You guys are just rubbing our faces in your AR3000 good fortunes. I can only stand so much jealousy. I hope you two are Finnish(ed). Seriously, it looks like trolling international ebay is the way to go for a wider range of vintage possiblities, huh?   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 6:25 pm:    Juergen, I have talked and mailed to Wilo ´bout that..he was a little bit upset because I have a fancier top..but he responded with a nasty remark ´bout the pickups, below the belt.. and the rather exessive wear in the back.. *boo-hoo* That subsequential numbering was an "added bonus", I realized it only after the auction ended, I faced a real "battle" with someone..Hope he/she did not suffer too much..after all, everyone will lose a few and win a few.. I find it very strange, that just in a couple of years there has been at least 3 AR3000:s for sale in Europe, Wilo´s one came from England, your´s from Italy and that one I got a hold of is from Germany. Wondering if there are more than the reported 28? units.. John, I promise to do a photo shoot after I´ve got and cleaned that AR3000 up.. How about a photo-comparison AR500-3000-5000 with veneered hstocks.. (My AR500 has such a feature..as I have posted earlier..as well as my AR300CS) Beware, into the Dark Side will jealousy lead you! Your own AR3000 hope you´ll find..   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:01 pm:    Looks like Fox's guitar had ICW quotes in the sale ad. Look at the bottom where it says info taken from ibanezcollectors.com   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 9:13 am:    OK all you vintage AR freaks (and who could blame ya!), two questions: Do all late 70's/early 80's AR 500s have Super 58s and is all tri-sound and master tone functionality available in the EQ (active) mode for all those years. Thanks much!   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 12:54 pm:    Hi Strings! I believe that most AR500:s have Super58:s, although I have no knowledge ´bout how long the "transition period" from 2622 Artists equipped with Super80´s was. In fact I have seen pictures of 1980 Dec. Artists that actually have Super80´s..although it is quite impossible to determine from photo if they were factory installed or replacement ones..So by no means all 1979-80 AR500:s are equipped with Super58´s, I´d say. After all, the factory building those had quite a few Super80´s and it would be just crazy if they´d throw them away..As always, there is a transition period, although in Ibanez they were extremely creative..I myself wouldn´t be surprised if there was an AR500 with factory Super70´s from year 1980.. Tri-sound switches and master tone & volume function in both passive and active modes.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 3:13 pm:    Much appreciated Fox! I have an AR300CS with the 58s and a 2622 with the 80s. The 80's sound great clean but I seem to like the 58s better all around (80s seem a little too sensitive and bright). Which of the two do you like best and what do 80's sound like using tri-sound ciruitry?   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 4:51 pm:    Strings, the 80´s on 2622EQ seems OK to me, but you must see, that "Steve Miller model", the 2622 Artist, is a thinner-bodied guitar.. Anyway those pickups are quite different, Super80´s being, as you´ve noticed, "hotter" and the emphasis on the high-middle side of the sound spectrum while the Super58´s being more like "good old PAF:s", in fact the older ones being great "clones".. I myself have a "crush" on the 58´s, because I´ve been involved with "The big G" here in the Far North, in the pre-sales setup and broader, in the guitar electronics set-up and hot-rodding field. If you want a good PAF sound then you´d go for Super58´s, if you want hot and high-middle peaking power picups you choose the 80´s. Furthermore, an interesting "mix" can be achieved by combining Super70´s in neck position and Super58´s in bridge.. Or,although this is blasphemy.. 57 Classic + from a "workshop" in Elgin, ILL... Anyway, what is good for someone, is not into someone other´s taste, so everyone must make their own decisions.. Former is only my personal point of view...   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 9:40 am:    Thanks Fox! I think my ears work like yours as I prefer the 58s. But thank God there is chocolate and vanilla. There was specific purpose to my questions and here she is:   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 9:48 am:    whoops! try again. I'm suprised it did not go faster   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 11:30 am:    Is this the AR500 that was pulled from E-Bay yesterday?   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 11:47 am:    Yes TS, it was the one that was listed from the "Deep South". Anything that I need to know about? Anything you can tell me about this '79 model would be helpful. Thanks, EJ   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 2:25 pm:    *bump*   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 8:21 pm:    Strings, I was interested myself in this guitar. I guess you are the buyer. Seems pretty sweet. The 79' AR 500s' have some attributes to the 2622. The Butterfly pickups. Good Luck with it and if you get tired of it consider us (Ibanez Collectors) before you list it. Peace!!!   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 1:07 pm:    Scorch! Yes, I got that info from the seller yesterday. And I've seen from elsewhere on this site that you REALLY want a mint Artist. I was really surprised it was not gone by the time I hit the BIN button. Anyway, two things, yours is just around the corner - I'm sure of that. And, I may be selling my mint (9.6/10) 2622EQ if you are interested in that model. I want to keep it, but I do not want to sleep on the sidewalk per the wife! Thanks for your blessings! You'll beat out the next guy I'm sure of it. Now, back to this original thread. Did we all not see this one on eBay a few weeks back where we wondered what the hell that "white square" over the pup selector was? Great perseverance Yogi. It must have been original packing material. I don't think I'd ever leave it alone in the house if I owned that one. mmm...untouched tobacco flame.   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:00 pm:    Strings, ´bout the pickups, there is an interesting discussion here in thread: "Ibanez Collectors World » Vintage & Custom Electrics » Pricing of Artist" you might find useful..   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:52 am:    Hey Fox! (pls let me know if I should move this to a different thread) Thanks for the reference (and cross references). The spec on the ‘79 AR500 catalog states the length at 39 ½”. I think that the AR500 from '79 not only included the Super 80's left over from 2622, but the entire body as well. The Tiger 300 is about 1 1/3” shorter than the 2622. So now that begs the question: How many 2622type/AR500s were made - I think they stopped (ran out?) in '79. Please straighten me out if my assumptions are wrong. No part of those threads flat out stated this, yet much discussion involved the same neck joint and pups (and length!) as the to6toto. When I get the guitar, I will know/post more. Thanks again!   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 11:19 pm:    I'm bumpin' this one to give us all a little perspective. Here's what I'd pay $2,500.00 for (maybe a tad more Yogi;-). And yes, I'm speaking for myself only.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Saturday, October 28, 2006 - 11:14 pm:    Worth the bump...after I clean off my chin...   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 6:48 pm:    Strings, if a little bit more off-topic roaming is allowed, what comes to this observation from above: "The Tiger 300 is about 1 1/3” shorter than the 2622. " As a matter of fact, there is an equivalent in the "AR" series as well. That AR400 I own is the thin-body variety and is definitely that 1 1/3 inch taller than eg. AR500... and sports a fine set of Super80:s with tri-sounds.. So now I am able to tell the sound of Super 80:s using tri-sound switching.. quite good, actually. Of course there is that ceramic magnet "cut" still present, but in parallel the "rudeness" is somewhat smoothed.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 5:07 pm:    Yeah Fox...sorry 'bout the delayed response. All the 2622 type bodies - including the 2618, 2619 and all 79-80 transitional AR line which includes the elusive AR400 - are 1 1/3 inches longer than the 1980+ AR re-design. Does the AR400 really have a Parallel mode in the trisound config. My '79 AR 500 has Series/Single/O-O-P. Curious as to what parallel might sound like with Super80s. I played my 2622 about 3 weeks ago for ~ 2.5 hours straight by myself - truly an unbelievable tone. While these Super80s might not emulate a PAF type, they are a tone class of there own...hollowed perfection!! Best Fox!   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 11:06 pm:    Fox, I've never owned any of the earlier Artists (other than the 2613), how are they shorter? Is the body a different shape or is it just the length of the neck? I knew the 2618 was longer because of the 24frets, but I always thought the 2619/2622 were the same as the AR's.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 11:55 pm:    Back strapbutton to headstock tip. When they went to a shorter length in the early '80s, the body thickened to that of a Les Paul - maple cap added to that increase in mass. Even the tone went to that of the LP PAF-type sound when introducing the Super58. Weight balance is different too. 2622-type balances a bit more over the left shoulder where my '82 AR300 is about smack over my spine. The late '70's (longer) models' body was cut somewhere between an SG and LP. Mahogony w/no maple cap Best I can illustrate with the limited analysis I've done. Strings (sorry, didn't mean to sign as "Fox" above)   Mr_roadstar Username: Mr_roadstar Registered: 06-2002 Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 1:54 am:    The body size didn't change. It's the depth to which the neck is set into the body. The Bear

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