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Author Message   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 3:06 pm:    This model should resonant strongly with Ibanez Collectors who know how special they are Only a few of these custom guitars were mmade for Bob Weir and Bobby Cochran. Well, what do you think? If you had a chance to buy one of these Custom "Cowboy" guitars would you jump at it? Stay tuned to find out more about how you can acquire one of these beauties!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 5:17 pm:    I want info!!!!!!!!   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 6:03 pm:    D R o o l ...I know a AR5000 that would love to partener with that bad boy...put me in for one !   Ccs Username: Ccs Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 10:11 pm:    In a heartbeat...if I didn't have to take out a second mortgage to get it   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 10:18 pm:    Yes...And I WILL take a second mortgage to get one   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 11:15 pm:    Are we talking about one of the originals or a 're-issue'. There were reissue rumors around the time of the last NAMM show. By the way...word has it that the pickups are Dimarzio...anyone know for sure?   Arney Username: Arney Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:04 am:    Pardon my ignorance, but are the pickup colors original and correct? A cream colored humbucker with a black single coil and a black humbucker, I've not seen a manufacturer use this combination before. Also, are the cream colored humbucker and the black humbucker the same, with the only exception being color, or are they different humbuckers?   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 2:19 am:    Yeah I'd jump on one of those puppies in no time !! So what's the scoop JOHNS ???   Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 7:23 am:    its a beauty....but its holiday time...so cash is already spend   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 8:10 am:    Is there actually a model number for this?   Arney Username: Arney Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:05 am:    So, what kind of money are we talking here?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:29 pm:    Arney that is the correct pick up colors!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:48 pm:    Michael: These are new guitars, being built in an extremely limited quantity. Because the originals were truly custom-made guitars (for Bob Weir and Bobby Cochran) it's hard to call them a "reissue"... more like a resurrection from the dead. These are truly HAND-MADE guitars from the Japanese factory. I'll ask about the DiMarzios. Arney: Yes the pickup configuration and colors are correct to (at least one of) the guitars that were made for Bob Weir. Here's a story on the development of the the Cowboy guitar: http://dozin.com/bobs/guitars/Ibanez/guitar.html Bigmike: more details: Only 30 will be made, about half will be headed to the US. The rest will be dispersed around the world. These are HAND-MADE in Japan. They will be officially announced at the end of the month at the Summer NAMM show in Indiannapolis. This is not a rumour, this is official news straight from Hoshino USA in Bensalem, PA. This pre-announcement has been disclosed exclusively to ICW and its members. Ibanezfreak: Because these were custom-made guitars that were never available to the public, there was no model number assigned. The official designation is now: BWM1BS.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 1:53 pm:    Please get more info regarding: - pickups: will there be 3 pickups? - pickups: Bob used many different pickups. I'm pretty sure that the single coil ended out being a Dimarzio. What pickups will be in the guitar? - electronics: will it have the AR-500 EQ? Not all of his guitars had it. Will it have the pickup kill switches. Using the switches on the top of the guitar, Bob could turn on any combination of pickups. There was a 4th switch and I'm not sure that that was for. Not sure if he had coil taps.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 2:04 pm:    Michael: I've passed your questions on. It is my impression that what you see in the picture above is what you'll get. It is the prototype for the limited run BWM1BS. So, 3 pickups, 4 mini-toggle switches, 3 band EQ. Not sure what the other knobs are for yet.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 2:28 pm:    Here's the answer to the questions: What exactly do the switches do? On the upper cutaway: Neck pickup on/off Middle pick up on/off Bridge pickup on/off Neck bridge coil tap switch Regular controls: Master Volume Master Tone EQ Level EQ Bass EQ Middle EQ Treble EQ on/off Power Indicator (well, it's isn't a switch but it's cool) In the back control cavity: Adjustments Neck pickup level Middle pickup level Bridge pickup level   Cmangeot Username: Cmangeot Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 3:51 pm:    So, how do I get one, where do I place my order??? I am dead serious. I am ready to go.   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 4:19 pm:    Holy Fr&^%in S#@T!!!!!! Man ,the cowboy is coming!??!!!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 4:36 pm:    Jeffm725: Yeah, what you said! Cmangeot: Well, that's the $6666.59 question. I was told that ICW might be able to get the list of dealers that order them and then it's a free for all after that, I guess. My suggestion is to make REAL good friends with the largest Ibanez dealer you can find!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 4:45 pm:    More questions: - in terms of weight & thickness, are we talking original Steve Miller 2622 (EQ), 1982 AR-500 or 2004 AR-3000 which are all different? I have an '82 AR-500 and it's heavy! - I love the inlay, however, I'd consider purchasing a 'plain' version without the inlay. Any chance of that happening? - regarding Bobby Cochran...does anyone know for sure that he had a 'Cowboy' guitar? He played Ibanez guitars and he played in the Bob Weir band in the early 80's around the release of Weir's Heaven Help the Fool album. I had the impression that if he was playing a Cowbay guitar, he may have been borrowing Bob Weir's.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 5:44 pm:    Michael: The answer I got to the weight question was: "Sample is gone to Namm....I don't know". Someone who's actually held it says it is "heavy". So, we'll have to weight () to find out more about the physical dimensions. Regarding a "plain" version of the BWM1BS, I couldn't tell you. My initial response is don't hold your breathe waiting for it to happen. I have seen pictures of Bobby Cochran with an original Cowboy guitar. Other than that I have no information about it. I am working on talking to Bobby directly about it. (Insert another "don't hold your breathe waiting for it to happen" disclaimer.) He was at the Winter NAMM show and has seen the protoype of the BWM1BS.   Orval Username: Orval Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 6:20 pm:    i talked to bobby cochran at winter namm, he told me he still had the guitar that was similar to the cowboy fancy. bob weir was also there and he still has his cowboy fancy.   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 6:35 pm:    Bobby Cochran definitely had his own cowboy, it was different than Weirs, I actually got to hold it and play it (briefly) in 82 or 83 at the West Hartford Agora at a Bobby and the Midnites show backstage. Funny story there, they were all using Peavey gear including sound system. When I asked them why, the answer was "Well, its free, of course"! Also when this came up today when I got home from work a couple hours ago I popped in a Bobby and the Midnites DVD from Switzerland that I have and studied the cowboys because Weir AND Cochran were both playing theirs. I am going to try and get some good screen shots off that DVD to post the differences (and there are some definite ones)   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 7:37 pm:    Very cool guitar!! Looks like we better get a 'delegate' to appear at this month's Summer NAMM Show and photo all of the interesting stuff from Ibanez and Hoshino! Any volunteers?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 7:21 am:    John, will this carry the Prestige badge or is this a step above? Also I assume BWM is short for Bob Weir Model?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 3:02 pm:    Freak: Yes, the model designation stands for Bob Weir Model One Brown Sunburst. The official response to whether this will carry the Prestige badge or is this a step above, is: "I'm going to say that it's a step above. This is a handmade piece. I wouldn't call it a Prestige because it's the recreation of something that predates the Prestige plate." Michael: the "official" answer to your question regarding a plain Cowboy is: "Off the cuff, I'd say that's unlikely. But who knows? We really won't know what the future of this is until we see how it's received." Regarding the weight: "it's probably about 9 pounds."   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:03 pm:    OK, I will post those promised pictures of Weir and Cochran in a couple hours. In the meantime some obvious differences. Like Weir's, Cochrans guitar carried 3 pups but insead of the HSH with the S resting right against the bridge pickup that Weir had, Cochrans was a HHH configuration with the middle H being snug up to the neck pickup. All 3 of Cochrans pickups were the cream colored ones whereas only one of Weirs is cream colored. Also, it looked like Cochrans had the standard "EQ" setup (like MC500's or Artist eq's) where as weirs went further with the switches(more custom mods obviously). The are both Brown bursts but a bit diferent. The binding on Cochran's is real thick. Pics coming.......   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:55 pm:    as promised: Bobby W Bobby C   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:59 pm:    more: The cocaine cowboys ride again   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 6:48 pm:    If you look behind Bobby C, in his rig he has the Ibanez UE-700 & AD-230 rackmount units. I have both of them in my rig. The UE-700 is extremely rare. I recently sold one back to Ibanez (along with an AD-230) for their 'museum' and I have another UE-700 up for auction right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7335817247&rd=1&sspagename=ST RK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Sorry for the plug....   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 6:48 pm:    Jeffm725: any chance I can get a copy of the DVD? How's the sound quality?   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 6:55 pm:    the sound quality is amazing because it seems that it was a production for swiss tv. short show but clean and killer. I forgot about how tight a rhythm section Alponso Johnson and Billy Cobham were (Billy cobham obviously one of the great jazz drummers) send me an email to jeffm725@yahoo.com with your postal address and its yours. Here the info: The World of Rhythm television special. Recorded live at Palzzo dei Congressi, Lugano. Lugano, Switzerland. 1-26-83 Video Source: Pro-shot>Laser Disc>DVD>TMPGEnc DVD Author 1.6. Audio Source: Pro-shot>Laser Disc>DVD>256Kbps Dolby AC3>WAV> ADOBE Audition>TMPGEnc DVD Author 1.6. Video Quality: A Audio Quality: A DVD NTSC: 720x480 29.97fps 4.71Mbps + Linear PCM audio Stereo 48kHz 1536Kbps. (54:12). 00:00 Festival 05:17 Young Blood 08:44 Me Without You 13:49 Salt Lake City 18:56 Easy to Slip 25:31 Bahama Mama (Alphonso's Bass Solo) 32:45 I Found Love (Cochran's Guitar Solo) 40:31 Book of Rules 44:57 Drums Galore 47:25 Josephine Bobby & The Midnights are: Bob Weir Guitar, Vocals, Main Performer Dave Garland Keyboards, Saxophone, Vocals Billy Cobham Drums, Vocals Bobby Cochran Guitar, Vocals Alphonso Johnson Bass, Vocals   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 7:08 am:    Michaelkaufman, I heard about them buying that off of you recently! Now there is something they should consider reissuing. I would by one in a heartbeat.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 12:50 pm:    Freak: how'd you hear??? mkaufman@cloud9.net   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 4:29 pm:    Don't get paranoid, but we're all watching everything you do, Michael.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 5:12 pm:    Ah, that explains the camera in my bedroom?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 5:16 pm:    Mike I just sent you a response.   Boogieknight Username: Boogieknight Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 3:05 pm:    jeffm725, any chance i could get a copy of that dvd? I could send you a b & p   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:55 am:    Boogie, Sure you got it, just do what I told Michael to do above and its yours, Strings, I got your email too, your good to go. I will freebie this to any ICW member who wants it.   Boogieknight Username: Boogieknight Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 11:12 am:    sweet, much appreciated. jir@fancol.com   Arney Username: Arney Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 11:24 am:    Boogie, I would like a copy. Thank you. Arney   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 4:14 pm:    To All: Nobody has asked about the price on this guitar for a while. Well, if you are still interested, read through my earlier messages and you will find the "clue" to the list price.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 4:38 pm:    If I read your clue correctly, $6,666.59.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 4:39 pm:    Yup!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 4:42 pm:    You must see this... http://www.bobbycochran.com/namm_2005_ibanez_midnites_reunio.htm   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 5:30 pm:    btw....'ACE', as in Bobby Ace Weir, is inlaid at the 21st(?) fret.   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 9:08 pm:    you know what we need here at ICW with the announcement of this release? The return of Jeff Hasselberger. Does he ever post here anymore or is he just too busy? It was really cool that he posted at all and I am grateful for the info he has already provided, but Jeff, we hardly knew ye (especially me who has been lurking here for quite a while but just recently posted). It would be really cool to have a Q and A session wih the man who originally created this masterpiece even if it was just one time again. I have read and reread everyting he has ever posted here. Being a musician AND a deadhead ...although not necessarily in that order ;-), I could listen to his stories from the seventies for weeks on end. My 2 greatest passions have always been the guitar and the grateful dead (363 Dead shows) (although now my 3 year old daughter and my wife have broke into that list), so Jeff is somebody I am very jealous of :-). Although its probably nuts like me that keep him away! Bobby Cochran Jeff Hasselberger and Bobby Weir (Courtesy of bobbycochran.com)   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 11:27 am:    I cannot believe no one has commented on the pictures of the 'new' Cowboy guitar. They are absolutely stunning. I guess everyone is on vacation?   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 11:28 am:    Can we get specifics on pickups??   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 11:29 am:    Michaelkaufman...You right , the guitar is stunning....but I'm still recovering from the "sticker shock" !   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 11:31 am:    Jeff - you ARE a scholar and a generous gentleman. May I help subsidize your efforts by sending along a 10-pack of blank DVD+R? Also, let me know if you, or anyone out here, would like an audio copy of that '80 show from a Boulder bar - quality is an honest B- but the show makes up for the recording (Nak with mics from the board area/3rd gen form original on the disc)   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 11:39 am:    ps - Jeff - 363 shows!! In your eyes and ears (and gut from Phil) or on tape? If this an account from your tour presence, you make me feel like I've never seen them (~100 shows including solo bands - and I never wore/bought 1 tiedye :o) Thanks again, in advance, for the DVD!!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 11:57 am:    Don't ICW members get a discount??? I suspect if it weren't for us, this guitar never would have been made.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 12:00 pm:    Actually that is not true. The prototype was made last year before a ICW /Hoshino USA relationship was established.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 12:56 pm:    Yes, however, didn't we submit requests of guitars that we'd like to see, among them, the Cowboy.   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 1:44 pm:    Strings, no that was 363 shows in person (and doesnt count jgb and other offshoot bands)...My goal was to make a solid year of dead shows, I just missed by 2! I saw 75% of them in like a 5 year span (I saw every show in '85 and '86 missed '3 in 87 missed '4 in 88). I appeciate the offer of the DVD's but can't accept ( I don't want to profit off of burning stuff for friends even if that profit is a blank DVD or 2) Now if you want to send me the blank DVD's and I will fill them up with some killer Dead and Garcia Band videos for you and send them back, I would be happy to do that:-) http://db.etree.org/jklm (choose video from the dropdown to see my video list) I have about 15 more shows than what is listed but will be adding them in the next day or 2 (just got 10/8/89, 3/24/86, 3/31/85,9/30/89 all killer and not on my list yet)   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 1:46 pm:    oh and I have never bought or wore one tye-dye either so between you and I there goes that myth!   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 2:04 pm:    The 6666.59 is hefty and, as bad as I want this guitar, I don't think I could even justify spending 1/2 of that to my wife :-) . If I was someone who had that kind of disposable income though, it probably wouldn't matter if it was 4,000 6,000 or 8,000, I would buy it. It is just a fantastic looking instument. I am sure that it is "butter" in the hands too. I love that "Ace" inlay. Now Weir has 2 "Ace" branded custom guitars out on the market. One by Modulus and one by Ibanez. I like Modulus but give me the Ibanez anyday. As a matter of fact I bought my '79 musician instead of a modulus 6 years ago and am glad I did. Whats next Bobby, a telecaster with "Ace" on the 22nd fret? :-) Yes, for those of you that don't know, Weir has been seen often playing a Vintage tele or 2 in the last few years. This Ibanez release is the "holy grail" guitar for me personally,(i don't really care for the resurection or even the Alembic knockoff's of Jerry's Irwins, except maybe the wolf) too bad I am going to miss out. Do they have a scholarship program?!!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 3:41 pm:    Michael, there was a topic in Captian Ibanez's section where he asks about reissues and what we would like to see but all that is in there is the 2681. But that has nothing to do with Hoshino USA's decision to issue this model. However on the other hand us collectors are most likely the ones this is aimed at for sale. Who else would buy it?   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 5:01 pm:    Jeff, How much actual time do you think actually goes into putting this guitar together? Just a decent estimate. Next ... how much do the materials cost?   Billy_porter Username: Billy_porter Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 12:01 pm:    Hi Guys Re the question 'Who else would buy it?' Not many in the UK. They Dead were never that big here nor did any of the inlay specials sell in numbers. We Brits are a bit reserved when it comes to fancy guitars and even got my Gibbo LP Custom cheap coz they used to be thought of as a bit too 'fancy'   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 2:03 pm:    Bobzilla, I think I see what you are getting at here. The time and materials for this guitar do not justify the 6 g's. You know what, probably not. Unlike say a truly custom built one-off from alembic or phiga or resurection, Ibanez/Hoshino probably (and this is just pure speculation) had many of the materials and spare parts laying around for these guitars. Also, it is definitely easier for them rather than a small custom shop to turn them out. I don't know, time, material, and workmanship If I had to guess at a realistic retail price for this I would have to say 3,000 and that would be on the very top end. However, I really do not think that is their point for releasing this. It is not going to be a mass produced item. (what did you say Johns, only 30 of these are coming and only 15 to the US?), I think with the feedback and drooling of some people here on ICW combined with the type of numbers Alembic and resurection, and the others are doing with the Garcia knockoff's is that Ibanez is taking their shot on cashing in on Deadhead musicians who have money (and believe it or not, not all Deadheads have tie-dyes, and dreads and spare change people on a street corner in Boulder:-).... Is it any coincidence that the Alembic knockoffs of Jerry's Irwin guitars are going for between 6-7 thousand? I think not. They set the market, people are buying them and now Ibanez says "hey, we made a great guitar for Weir, let's see if some of these people who are dropping this dough on the Garcia Alembics will come our way instead". Are there 15 people in the country who will do this? I think so. Not to mention that some of the hardcore collectors around here who really could give 2 s%^&ts about the dead(which is fine by the way) will have to have just for the sheer collectability of only 15 produced. Billy Porter put it well epople in the UK didnt care about the Dead and generally don't like hippie crap which is why they will sell none of these over there and why nobody likes the old Ibanez musicians over there either, they think it is a hippie guitar. If the Dead are or were a big part of your life (and they were for more people than you know, it is kind of like pot smokers, there are a ton more than you think, no one admits it out in the open ;-) then this guitar holds a place in your heart, especially if you are a guitar player. The Dead unlike other players always stuck with the same gear as much as anyone. Weir played the cowboy(I should say a version of the cowboy there were at least 2 different ones) at EVERY show with the Dead from 77- summer 83. Garcia played Tiger from 79-90 steadily then played a replica with midi electronics from 90 on so these guitars mean more to us phreaks than most. I don't expect people who hate the dead (and there is alot of them out there too :-) to understand. To those people this is an overpriced, ostentacious looking, waste of time. To me this is it! Let's face it, the garcia knockoffs going for 7 grand aren't made by the original maker , these Weir knockoff's ARE! By the way, I don't think the Alembic knockoff's are worth 6-7 k either just for the record, but they do sell.   Boogieknight Username: Boogieknight Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 6:02 pm:    ^^^^ What he said^^^^ those jerry copies are cheesy. I could see if they were made by irwin.... maybe they will make a production run of cowboys. I am a big fan of neck thorough guitars.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 7:09 pm:    Jeffm725 stated "Billy Porter put it well epople in the UK didnt care about the Dead and generally don't like hippie crap which is why they will sell none of these over there and why nobody likes the old Ibanez musicians over there either, they think it is a hippie guitar." Not sure what you're getting at there. Want another try at it? six   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 8:41 pm:    Six, yeah that just didnt sound right when I read it back either, it kind of got lost in the whole point I was trying to make and just makes no sense. :-) Anyway, in my experience the English and other Europeans in general (remember this is a generality so obviously there are exceptions)did not care for the Grateful Dead at all. The Dead were a HUGE selling Live act over here in the states from 65-95 (their studio recordings stunk and didn't sell but that is another story.) From the mid 80's on the Dead could sell out a 90,000 seat stadium anywhere in America at any time (for multiple nights in a row if they wanted). They barely ever toured Europe because there was no support. They were there for a long tour in '72 when they were young (they played small halls and the tour was legendary musically, Europe in 72 is considered a highwater period for the band), they played a handful of shows in fall '74, another handful in march of 81 and that was IT.........until 1990. In 1990 they were at the height of their drawing powers (maybe starting a touch on the backside of their musical powers though), and decided to give Europe another go. The tour started in Stockholm in mid October and ended with 3 nights at Wembley in London. Stops in Essen, Hamburg, Berlin, frankfurt and Paris along the way. I would say the Average sizes of the halls were 7000 people. I went to Europe for this tour. It was such a rarity and I was so into the Dead there was no way I was missing it. Well a bunch of Americans felt the same way and went as well. Let me tell you, the only thing keeping the concerts from being in half empty ice hockey halls was the 3000 Americans who traveled there. They couldn't even sell 7000 seats in Europe! Personally I loved it, it was like being little kid at an empty Disney world. After dealing with 80,000 people in a Stadium it was awesome to walk into a general admission show that was half americans and half europeans and walk right to the front row. In Germany there were more people into it than England. I had my only negative experience in England.(not worth going into and really it could happen anywhere). It was amazing those 3 days in London. We americans traveled in packs to sightsee and you would swear that the Londoners thought they were watching circus animals (I have to admit though that deadheads arent the most aestetically pleasing bunch, especially after a couple weeks of shows). The fact that almost everyone in England who I spoke to had no idea who the Grateful Dead were didnt bother me at all. What did bother me were the English who DID know who the Dead were and derided the band and the fans to no end calling us drugged out (fans and band), irrelevant, anachronistic (and that was just the newspaper ! ;-) (I actually think I have the article somewhere) I have to tell you that my statement that the English as a whole do not like the Dead is based on personal experience and a first hand view. Six, there is no offense here meant whatsoever. I have always enjoyed reading your fantastic contributions to this site. You have a tremendous knowledge of a period of Ibanez that not many have that you gained from your own first hand experiences. I know you love these guitars as much as anyone out there. As far as my quote of Billy Porter's I shouldnt have combined my second thought with his quote. I was quoting really his statement "The dead were never that big here" I should not have immediately followed that with "and generally don't like hippie crap" That was misworded and misplaced and I apologize. I have read (and I know I have read it here, and even Billy echoes it above) that musicians in their day were a tough sell in England because of their "hippie" style (I have heard the type of wood style called a "hippie sandwich") at a period when everything hippie was being rejected (weren't 78-80 the time of the Sex Pistols and the Clash and punk etc...IF I know my sixvsix history properly weren't you selling guitars at that point? Were musician style guitars hot sellers in England at the time? (not that they were burning up the states either). I don't know if I am wrong about that I wouldn't mind being enlightened if I am. Obviously I am not British and only have developed that opinion from what I have seen other British Ibanez enthusiasts write. Again, the last thing I am trying to be is offensive.   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 12:42 am:    Do you have to be a "Dead Fan" to like the guitar? I didn't know this was a pre-requisite. I've always wanted a Randy Scruggs model because I enjoy playing LP's. Never really taken any notice of what type of music he played. It would be great to see a guitar like this go into produstion so those who buy a guitar for the sound and the feel of it have the chance to do so. To me, its a fantastic looking guitar comparable to any gib*** custom shop equivilant, and doesn't deserve to be locked away next to someones stamp collection. Most of us younger generation wouldn't remember the Grateful Dead, but we know the guitar.   Billy_porter Username: Billy_porter Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 2:56 am:    Hi, Sorry to have stirred up a hornets nest guys. Jeffm725s comments are correct - we just didn't get the Dead thing. I worked in a an Ibanez main dealer between '74 to '85 and it was hard to sell even musicians. Anything with vines on just did not sell. Personally I would not buy one of these guitars as I just don't need or like such ornation. I modified my Blazer with similar pickup conatations (H/S/H) and after a while the bloody switches are annoying and you end up only using 2 or 3 settings. Regarding buying coz that's what your own hero plays - look at how the price of PL customs have gone up (The Dakness perhaps) and especially Gibbo LP specials (Green Day). I think very few, if any, will be sold to non Deadheads particularly here in the UK - only those that see a quick buck to be made It all down to personal choice at the end of the day   Padraic Username: Padraic Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 3:38 am:    As another Brit here, I would back JeffM725s very eloquent account, and Billy's impressions too. I spent a year in the US from 76 to 77, and was astonished at the shift in musical tastes on my return (from rock to punk) in just a year. The Dead were, as both of you point out, not a draw here then or now. My recollection of guitar influences in the 80's backs up Billy's: Superstrats were everywhere, and nothing else seemed to matter. I had terrible problems selling a Flying V at the time, and was told it was because of the Superstrat phenomenon. Back to the thread, again I would agree with the comments offered about the new Cowboy; all musician-endorsed guitars seem to have great appeal to a small(ish) hardcore of fans of that artist, but how many non-fans appreciate the extra price tag, or the signature/adornments or customising. Dare I put my head on the block and mention the Ace Frehely LP? I love the look of 3 pick-up LPs, but that headstock.... No, guitarists are a conservative bunch, and I think these Cowboys will either have immense appeal to a close-knit group of fans, or casual interest to onlookers, who may judge them purely on their merits, not aware of their provenance.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 8:54 am:    My personal perspective: I 'found' Ibanez through Bob Weir. To be more specific, I loved Bob's playing and in particular, his Ibanez period (guitars & effects). Back in the 70's & 80's, I lusted after his Cowboy guitar. I just loved the sound. (Ironically, most people couldn't pick out Bob's playing if they tried - he playing was subtle and one really had to know what to listen for). Anyway, I eventually purchased a 2680, which subsequently was replaced with an AR-500. Although I liked those guitars, they still weren't the Cowboy. For years, Weir guitarists have been discussing how to make their guitar into a Cowboy guitar. Add a 3rd pickup, change the wiring, etc, however, there were still many unanswered questions. Except for the price, now it's easy to get what you want: just buy the guitar. I think it's great and I'm very excited about the whole concept, however, in reality, I'll never own one. It's just too expensive. Yes, the Cowboy will sell. Every single one. Eventually, they'll show up on eBay and the price will be determined based on supply & demand. Guitar players are funny. Many think that the equipment makes the guitar player and that by owning the Cowboy guitar, they'll sound like Bob Weir. However, many of these people just don't have the chops to pull it off and eventually they become disillusioned with the equipment. It's a vicious cycle. It starts with the guitar, then the effects, then the amp, pre-amp, speakers, strings, picks, strap, clothing, diet...(if you don't believe me, check out the GearHeads group on Yahoo!) They end out with a roomful of items purchased on eBay and spend too much time trying to figure out all of the equipment rather than practicing. For those who think that the Cowboy will make them sound better, sink the $7K into lessons! And for those who become disillusioned with their Cowboy, don't hesitate to contact me!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 8:55 am:    Still waiting for specifics on the pickups....   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 9:36 am:    Jeff, Six et al. - Thank God many folks from across the Pond understand that Grandpa Garcia is a world concept and that, undisputedly, the finest tones ever emitted from a cone came from his hands/mind...and they definitely cut across int'l lines. Stigmas followed the boys around here too...and they despised it! They hated politics – especially those violent hippie rallies in the late 60’s that opposed anything that moved …I was very glad to learn of that.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 2:37 pm:    Now the big question. Who here is serious about buying one? I would think the street price would be close to 3750.00 US.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 2:52 pm:    That's almost a 44% discount off of list price. Do you think a dealer can go that low?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 5:12 pm:    Michael: I've asked about the pickups, but not heard back yet. When I do, I'll post the answer.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 5:27 pm:    They could go that low and not make a lot but I believe that they could.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 8:55 am:    Michael: Here's the detail on the pups: Humbuckers are Virtual PAF, single is Virtual Vintage   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 8:59 am:    I'm not familiar with them. Are those Dimarzio?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 10:47 am:    Michael: Yes, they are DiMarzio pups.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:03 am:    I must have one   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 5:43 pm:    as far as the price of this guitar... right now we're drooling at the aesthetics. and... without a doubt, it's gonna be a great guitar. but still... I think you'd have to have it in your hands, play it, hear it before you can justify any price... be it $1,000 or $3,500. I can actually tell you about a few awesome looking guitars I've owned... and no longer own because... they looked cool but... performed poorly. Example: I had a 10 string BC Rich Bich and a 6 string, (both had that ferrari red paint)both way back when they first issued them. Too light, thin sound, etc. etc. To me, they were great looking guitars, as player guitars, I found them extremely lacking. Now... I know that won't be the case here, it will be a great guitar all-around. But still... you gotta feel it, play it, hear it. Then... you know what it's worth.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 5:44 pm:    p.s. - notice the different pup configurations in the photos. Which will it be?   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 6:28 pm:    Very pretty guitar. I always dug Weir's Tree of Life Ibanez guitars more that the modulus. But nine pounds is a little much for this 50 year old back! Just to correct one misconception above, Wolf was originally an Alembic. Irwin was an apprentice working for Alembic at the time. Alembic had made a series of guitars for Jerry called "Peanut" guitars because Jerry wanted a guitar with a small body. Wolf, (it wasn't called that at the time), was the culmination of the Peanuts. Following a fall and some damage, Irwin, who by that time was no longer with Alembic, repaired it, at which time he removed the Alembic logo and replaced it with his own. (Early pix of Wolf clearly show the Alembic logo on the peghead). At the same time, unbeknownst to Jerry, he replaced Jerry's wolf decal with the inlaid wolf. The current Alembic version is called the Further - one helluva guitar IMHO. Bill   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 6:40 pm:    Bobzilla: Where do you see different pup configurations?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:32 pm:    Bobzilla: Do you mean the difference between Bob Weir's and Bob Cochran's pickups? Those two guitars are very similar but not the same. The pickup configuration on the new guitar will be the same as the prototype shown in the very top photograph. These would be DiMarzio Virtual PAF humbuckers and a Virtual Vintage single coil.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 8:50 pm:    Yeah it will be like Bobs guitar.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:52 am:    Michael, in all the photos, I noticed different pup configurations. 3 different configurations actually. But... thanx for clearing it up. See... look at the pups in the 3 guitars in the photos in this thread.   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:20 pm:    LBpesq, I am sorry,but according to Doug Irwin it is incorrect to state that wolf started as an alembic. Yes Irwin previously had worked for Alembic. Jerry's association with Irwin started when Jerry walked into Irwins shop. He bought Irwins very first guitar (serial 001). This was alembic like and had humbuckers. Jerry who was playing his Alligator strat at the time wanted more of a strat pickup and 5 way selector deal and ordered a custom right there. This guitar is what became wolf. This is Irwins serial 006 and was delvered around 73 (I believe the original order from it was late 71). You are correct in the statement that the guitar took a fall and went back to Irwin for repair, and he DID change the headstock logo. But as Irwin tells it, he changed is old logo to a newer mored ornate headstock logo (what he called his deluxe logo with an eagle circling the earth, many other times he did just use the eagle) and you are right about another thing, before he changed the headstock the original did LOOK like an alembic logo. Also correct is the statement that the wolf was inlaid to the guitar at this time (it was just a sticker Garcia had put on before repair). To say that it started as an Alembic guitar is quite a stretch. To see Irwins full account: Irwin interview   Orval Username: Orval Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 6:37 pm:    ok, back to the post. i think i have my name on one of them, anyone else stepping up to the plate?   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 11:57 pm:    I'm in for one too..for sure   Spiro Username: Spiro Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 4:35 am:    Not me.. 2 reasons.. 1. guitar looks like a modified guitar rather than an LE guitar.. 2. the price!! that is ridiculous money for a guitar like that.. granted it has a tree of life inlay and inlay on the body (which I am not a fan of) but the price is beyond a joke.. These guitars will not be discounted that much I can tell you.. 30 of them made and 24 to hit the US shores which leaves 6 for the worldwide market.. J customs are also HAND-MADE and dont command prices like that.. even the original J-customs (which were limited to 12 of each)... Looks like Fuji Gen making money for their christmas party again...   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 6:10 am:    Not me.... although I would love one I would rather have an Allman Les Paul and that's what I'm saving for right now. And man, have I got to save but they do come up now and then. six   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 6:24 am:    Hi Jeffm/Billy/Padraic/strings - et al Misunderstandings.... Now that's how wars get stared and we Limey's and you Yanks are pretty much in the thick of it right now as far as that goes. Anyway, The Dead: I agree, they were completely misunderstood here in the UK. Shame really as retrospectively I think we missed out big time. I have a lot of respect for those guys but was never fan. Can't seem to work out why either. Maybe it was "too American" for me back then. However, a fellow player over here loves The Dead and there isn't much he don't know about them and their music, equipment etc. In fact, we think that he thinks he looks like Gerry. And I guess with the hair, facial growth and beer belly he does….. a bit. In fact, he asked me if I wanted to sell the Weir a few months back but I said flat no. Flash Ibanez guitars: You’re right. Generally we don’t go for them much over here. They seemed bigger on the continent back in the 70’s. Me, I love em but can’t see myself going for the Cowboy. It’s not the money although I am looking for other things right now. I’d rather get a used one in 5 years (for less I hope). Bad UK experiences: I have at least one a day and that’s why I’m migrating so I’m with you on that. six   Munch Username: Munch Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 8:04 am:    OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! I have never seen such a hot bed of activity on the ICW in all my time here (first started in 2000). ('cept maybe for my thread "would you buy an IC300 for $75") The Cowboy guitar - everyone has their opinions but all those pickups and controls do not do it for me. I like the inlays, but the cutaway horns have a kind of Gibson Marauder/S1 look to me. I understand the Bob Wier thing, but more guitars would be sold if it was 2622EQ reissue with inlays and Super 58's (or '70's). Check out my Telecaster - this is truly what I believe to be a cowboy guitar. Cheers, Mark   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 9:40 am:    ARRRGH! Six! You spelled Jerry with a "G"?! Maybe the "big pond" does dilute things a bit for you Brits!   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 9:46 am:    ps Misunderstandings are tolerable...but misspelling...look out now!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:13 am:    Ok here's me 2 cents! If I was going to buy a guitar for that much money, It would be made to my specs not Bob Weir's. But on the other hand I would be very interested in the "artwood twin" if they ever decide to rerun it. I am sure a lot of other folks would too!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:31 pm:    EQ'd Artist's, with vines, that's the way to go... for a reissue. As long as.... they don't skimp on the frills and quality. Like.... pull out the old diagrams, and make 'em EXACTLY the same as the originals. (If possible.) The originals will still hold their value as far as collectible vintage guitars. The re-issues should be more affordable than the vintage originals. These reissues would sell, and I don't think anyone would argue with that. The problem with the recent reissues....they skimped. A problem you'll always have with these collectible Ibanez guitars is.... even though WE know what they are, for the most part, It's gonna have to say "GIBSON" on the headstock to impress 95% of the guitar players out there. That's a shame, but true. When you think about it, for $3500, if you took your time, you could buy a very nice guitar for that kind of $$$. Would the guitar that started this thread be worth the $3,500? Yes. Obviously. If you had a choice between this guitar in this thread versus all the other great guitars you could get for $3,500.... would it hold up? I've seen older 3 pick-up Les Paul Custom Black Beauty's in the $3,500 range. (Sorry for mentioning the other brand in here but I needed to, to make a point.)   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 4:43 pm:    Sorry Strings there's a "H" between "G" and "J" on my keyboard. See, I told you we missed out here. six   Ibanezregester Username: Ibanezregester Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 5:25 pm:    Do we know the neck, fretboard and body materials? Looks like a five piece neck.   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 5:54 pm:    Jeffm725: Obviously Irwin and the folks at Alembic have different stories. Alembic's version can be found here: (read Susan's [Wickersham - Alembic co-owner] post of July 10, 2004 a little down in the thread. You can also continue in the thread for a couple of pics of Jerry playing the peanut guitars. http://alembic.com/club/messages/395/11103.html One fact that is not in dispute is that Wolf did originally have an Alembic logo on the peghead. Here is a picture of it: http://alembic.com/club/messages/393/10577.html Bill   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 4:56 pm:    Here's the NAMM press release from Harmony Central on this interesting new guitar: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Ibanez/PR/BWM1BS.html   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 6:42 pm:    Are these inlays.... or... appliques? In another thread a bunch of folks were surprised to learn the fancies on the custom agents were applique as opposed to inlay. Which is it on this guitar? Inlay? Applique? The neck seems an obvious inlay. What about the rest?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 7:13 am:    Guitartim, thanks for the link. I see Ibanez has a few limited runs going on with a few other guitars and a new amp as well!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 9:41 am:    I just heard from my contact at Hoshino. He said the BWM1BS was very well received. He's going to try to get me a list of dealers who ordered the new Bob Weir model at the show. After that, it's up to anyone interested to track one down and make a deal. Stay tuned!   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 2:17 pm:    I do not doubt one bit that this is well received. I bet almost to the point that they might want to do a bit more than 15 down the line? The only thing about that is if you are one of the people now who gets one of these and pays heftily for it, wouldn't you feel a little cheated if a bigger batch comes down the line later at a little bit less expensive price point? They are almost handcuffing themselves here at the 6666 price. You do not want to alienate the people who bought at that. Man, I wish I could be trying to get one of these right now, but I just can't make it happen. I really think these will hold and probably increase in value raher than drop. There are just too many people who do have the cash who want one.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 6:07 pm:    You know what.... with such a limited production.... as the years go by and they are completely unavailable........ these guitars will have to go up in value. So... it may be 10, 20 yrs. but... when they're not around and they've got some years behind them and... you want one... you'll have to pay more than the $3,750. It's like an investment. Except .... I think it's a 100% safe investment. Especially since there's no way the value of the guitar is going downward. Whoever buys one now will have a great guitar and they'll be happy now and... in the future. Suppose you could go back and buy any of these sought after Ibanez guitars at their original issue price. Same applies here. We're paying through the nose for the (current) vintage Ibanez guitars. Same will have to apply here with this one. You need to look far enough into the future to appreciate the true value of this guitar. Yes? And... it has nothing to do with the Grateful Dead. Just this guitar unto itself. I'm sure if I gave my opinion of the Dead it would •••• some folks off. There's a good reason why folks took acid when listening to the Dead... and lots of it.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 6:59 pm:    Personally, there's way too much talk about the Dead in this thread. Voicing opinions about the Dead will only polarize this group...there are plenty of other places where that can be done. Just don't do it here. Stick to the topic: Cowboy...yes or no!   Spiro Username: Spiro Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 4:56 am:    Hey Bob... Your thinking is right but.... wrong... I will give you an example.. average price of an artwood twin on ebay in the last few years was approximately $2500 USD correct? retail of an artwood twin in 1978 was $1840 USD.. correct? the 1978 equivelant of 1840 in todays dollars iiiiiisssssss and wait for it ...... $5491 USD sooo in actual fact if you bought a new artwood twin in 1978 you actually lost half your money if you were to sell it today!!!.. Now lets do the reverse A 2005 BWBS1 retails for $6666.66 in 1978 that would have bought you an artwood twin plus case and a bob weir standard.. Do i need to go further into this.. practically Every single Ibanez guitar if bought new prior to 1982 you would actually be in debt if you were to cash it in.. excpet for 2 models... 1978 paul stanley and bob weir profesional hmmmmm.... something to think about....   Spiro Username: Spiro Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 5:02 am:    heres the 78 price list in todays dollars.. model 1978 2005 2670 $1840 $5491 2681 $785 $2342 PS10 $795 $2372 2622 $890 $2656 GB10 $995 $2969 and so on...   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 8:09 pm:    Spiro, Better translate that $6666 usd into aud.....uhhmmm about $9000. Then half go to the US, some for the Europe and Japanese markets, how many do you think we'll see here. Nice pic though.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 12:23 pm:    Spiro. thanx. I stand corrected. Extremely (EXTREMELY) limited production has to be a factor..   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 3:22 pm:    Hey 'zilla. I thought you were not going to make a statement about people's appreciation of music...and then in the next sentence...well...I guess you couldn't help yourself huh. FYI - I never took acid, mushrooms, weed or anything else that might affect my hearing. So there goes your opinion that you were not going to make public... Sorry MK, JohnS et al...I digress and return you to this awsome thread. PS Jeff - I got you email...thanks for the heads up. The disc has not arrived but I'll let you know when it does...can't wait!!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 3:27 pm:    Well....has anyone placed an order for the Cowboy? Is anyone taking orders for the Weir? It wouldn't surprise me if people don't divulge until the Cowboy is in hand... Although I would love to get my hands on one, I won't be shelling out the big bucks, therefore, your secret is safe with me! Good luck to all! If anyone near NYC gets one, please invite me over for a demo...   Orval Username: Orval Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 6:03 pm:    i have one on order, 14 left.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 6:29 pm:    Is this a US order?   Ibanezregester Username: Ibanezregester Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 4:16 am:    Bummer, acording to Ibanez UK its not coming into the UK, so the whereabouts of the other 15? your guess is as good as mine. Incidently, the JS2 satriani model of the same price IS coming in (if they ever get the shiny stuff to stick) and of the one we're getting in, we have first, second and third refusals on the orginal buyer (so we could have sold four of them and its still not in yet). there is a market for specials at these prices, but i wonder how much more an orignal fancy would go for. BTW, i've posted full specs and Bobby Cochran kindly let me use his pictures in my gallery. www.ibanezregister.com just follow the links to either the gallery and endorsees, bob weir or 'new to register'.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 9:11 am:    did anyone ever answer the "applique" question above?   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 10:49 am:    I don't know if any of this is true, however, I heard the following: - the Cowboys are all sold out. This happened at NAMM. - one person placed on order with a down payment at an Ibanez retailer in the midwest and supposedly he's getting one. This contradicts the first assertion. - I also know of someone who's trying to get one directly through Bob Weir, and, he definitely has some clout. Sounds like they're already worth more...   Billy_porter Username: Billy_porter Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 11:36 am:    Hi Guys, On good old BBC Radio 2 yesterday it was stated that guitar sales have trebled in the last 10 years due to ‘born again’ guitarists. Like motorcycles this market is made up of 40/50 year old blokes who now have the money to buy what they couldn’t afford years ago (not me – I’m skint). Sounds like the perfect market for these type of guitars and why people pay ridiculous amounts of money to have Jimmy Page replicas, SRV Strats etc. I seem to remember that when Gibson launched the 25/50 anniversary model they were limited to about 500 (or something like that). As they were so successful they issued another 500, then another 500, then………….. the ‘uniqueness’ value plummeted. So wait and see if they issue some more of these. IMVHO - As discussed previously they are however of limited appeal. A poster on another forum bought a limited to 100 ‘Mick Ronson’ replica for 3000GBP – basically a black LP Custom with the front sanded off – not even approved by Gibson. He loves the guitar but who else would buy it bar a Mick Ronson fan? Guess we'll have to wait and see if the appreciate in value. E-Bay within 3 months ?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 2:57 pm:    Orval will you post pics of this when you get it?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 10:24 am:    All: Looks like Orval is our first confirmed buyer. Who will be the next? Here's the name of one dealer that ordered a BWM1BS and will be willing to sell it: WARD-BRODT MUSIC MALL 2200 W BELTLINE HWY MADISON, WI 53713 (608) 661-8600 Please note that there is a VERY GOOD likelyhood that not all dealers who ordered one will be selling it. (What better collector, than a dealer?) So, the number of guitars coming to the US is not indicative of the number that will actually be made available for public sale.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 11:16 am:    Michael: Here's some "official" responses to your list of "rumours": - the Cowboys are all sold out. This happened at NAMM. "Almost but not quite. By the time this gets posted that will probably be the case, though." - one person placed on order with a down payment at an Ibanez retailer in the midwest and supposedly he's getting one. This contradicts the first assertion.>> "Actually there's no contradiction. From our side, at Ibanez, sold out means we sold-out all the availables to retailers. It does not mean that the retailers have in turn sold-out the one's they have bought. That's unlikely to have happened yet, at least on Sunday morning, July 31, 2005." - I also know of someone who's trying to get one directly through Bob Weir, and, he definitely has some clout. "Bob Weir most certainly has clout but whether that is applicable in this instance, I have no idea. All I can say (and know) is that 30 are available worldwide with 15 going to the States."   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 7:11 pm:    Johns: Thanks for the update. By the way, when I said that 'this person has clout', I meant the person wanting to purchase the guitar, not Bob Weir. Although, I would imagine that Bob has more clout...   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 7:16 pm:    Johns: The person who placed his order through a retailer bought it in person at WARD-BRODT MUSIC MALL in Wisconsin last Wednesday. So, unless the store bought two, they have no more.   Munch Username: Munch Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 4:12 am:    This bodes well for accurate reissues of other vintage Ibanez faves - thats for sure. I can see German carves being programmed into CNC machines and orders going out for ash right now! Lets rock! Munch   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 6:31 pm:    Here's the official "Press Release" info on the Cowboy: Model No. BWM1BS Neck  Neck 5pc Maple/Walnut (neck-thru)  Fretboard Ebony  Scale 25.5inch  No.Fret/type 22/Medium  Decoration BWM Special Pearl Vine "ACE" rectangle inlay @ 21F Body  Body material Swamp Ash  Inlay BWM Special Inlay Hardware  Color Gold  Nut Bone & Brass(Half & Half)  Bridge ACCU-CAST replica  Trussrod cover Brass & Striped Ebony Electronics  Neck pickup DiMarzio VIRTUAL PAF  Middle pickup DiMarzio VIRTUAL VINTAGE  Bridge pickup DiMarzio VIRTUAL PAF  Preamp BOB WEIR SPECIAL (w/3-BAND EQ) Accessory  Case Hard shell case included Available Finish  Color BS (Brown Sunburst)   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 6:32 pm:    Here's the official photo of the BWM1BS:   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 6:34 pm:    And here's the rundown on all the switches and circuitry:   Arney Username: Arney Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 8:12 pm:    It makes me wish I had $7,000.00 to spend.   Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 9:39 am:    OOOOOUCH, YOU GUY'S ! OK, I'll way in to the mudpuddle that is the Cowboy....! 30 built! 24 sold to the USA market 6 left over None going to England None going to Australia...but we love surprizes ! The rest well....need I say more...no! Captain Ibanez But did I ask you about the "Bowling Ball" Ibanez RG 20051 Prestige Black and White Swirls ? Cappy   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 9:55 am:    So what is the real number of distribution here. The NAAM press release says only 15 go to USA. I saw the swirl model on the net last night its cool!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 8:02 am:    Freak: Maybe the ones that might have been earmarked for Australia and UK are going to find there way to the US? Makes sense if the Dead weren't that big in these countries that the guitar would not be popular enough to import. Anybody know how popular the Dead are/were in Japan? Maybe they'll keep them there?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 8:45 am:    Maybe but why wouldnt our friend? know about it? That might be a good question to ask him.   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 11:55 am:    the dead never played japan..not very popular, maybe a little better received than europe but not by much   Orval Username: Orval Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 7:17 pm:    today, i made the payment in full for my BWM1BS. they are due to be shipped in sept or oct. (i hope they are more on time than the book :?) the salesman at the store was thrilled. ("I just sold the most expensive ibanez guitar made", he said) he was told by the regional salesman that there were 12 in the us(maybe thats 12 uncommitted) each regional salesman gets one for a store in his territory. i didnt buy it because bob had one, i never really got into the dead anyway. in fact, i have never bought a guitar because someone else played one, although i know thats what sells guitars to the masses. i dont remember anyone playing a mc5000 or ar5000. i buy guitars because they are works of art and a demonstration of the skill of the luthier. this is truly,one beautiful work of art.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 7:21 pm:    Congrats Orval. Hope it is on time for you.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:34 am:    Found this pic of the same bridge on an ST90   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 9:58 pm:    More official answers: Q.: "Are these inlays.... or... appliques?" A.: "They are actual inlays. The body binding is "abaloid," just as the original. The the front inlays are mother of pearl."   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 7:50 pm:    Johns... thanx for the inlay vs. applique answer. Much more impressive that it's inlays. Beautiful, beautiful guitar.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:13 am:    Bobzilla: Yeah, this is really good news. This is really a first class, hand made guitar all the way!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:17 am:    To All: Regarding rumours that more than 15 of these guitars will be headed to the US, here's the official response: "There has been no change with the basic schedule that 15 will be coming to the U.S. As to what's happening in the UK or Australia, I have no information." Maybe members in the rest of the world can contact your distributors and see what their plans are for getting a Cowboy guitar?   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 1:59 pm:    Has anyone previously thought of starting a "registry" for lack of a better term.... where we can list our Ibanez model and serial # and sort of keep track of some of these guitars. When I say "these" I mean as many Ibanez guitar models as possible. Include.... Make, model, serial #, location (state) etc. something like that. Especially with this guitar, kinda neat to know where they are, where they went. There have been questions about how many of a particular model were made (especially the rarer models) So like if we think maybe only 5 of a particular model were made and then wee see 7 in the registry.... blah blah blah...... In any event, I think you get the point. To me, this would just be interesting information. Mostly useless, but interesting.   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 6:04 pm:    I'm in. according to a rep at Ibanez I got the "next to the last one" in the US....bought & paid for. I also read somewhere that 16, and not 15 were headed here. From the beginning I always heard 15, so why it might be 16 I dunno. When I bought mine, I was told it was the very last one, yet after speaking to someone at Ibanez I was told there was 1 left after mine...so I dunno I'd say if you really want one, you better act fast. one may still be available...or not   Orval Username: Orval Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 9:25 am:    congratulations, blackknife.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 12:50 pm:    Congratulations Orval! John, I guess when Orval gets his BMW, sorry I mean BWM then we should expect a full review on the Guitar Tours Gallery yes? six   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 8:59 pm:    thank you very much Orval, congrats to you as well! I can hardly wait. I'd be very interested in reading a full review by you as well Orval.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 10:13 am:    Yeah Orval, Knife et al - when you take some photos for post, would you guys shoot the back too? Frankly, I'm sick of looking at the front of it!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 3:05 pm:    Anybody still looking for a dealer that ordered a BWM1? If so, here's another lead: Strait Music 2428 West Ben White Blvd. @ South Lamar Austin, Tx 78704 Phone 512.476.6927 Fax 512.476.6968 Toll Free: 1-800-725-8877 The contact there is Casey Maroni   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 11:41 am:    so there is something I have been really curious about now that a few members have their names hung across a few of these. What did you end up paying for this guitar? This is a personal question and I fully understand if people dont want to answer, but after seeing Ibanezfreaks speculation that they could go as low as 3750 it really got me thinking about going after one. My gut is telling me that the price held damn close to the original 6666. Can someone confirm or deny it? I do not think it crazy at all for anyone paying that because like I stated above, if I had the money I would pay even more than that!   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 8:05 pm:    Jeff, These guitars were selling for a little less than $4300   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:12 am:    wow, a pretty decent discount off the list. these will defintely not lose in value. It will be very intersting to see what one goes for on ebay down the road   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 3:25 pm:    I wonder if it will ever appear on ebay?   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 4:10 pm:    I picked up mine today! it's unbelieveable!   Lenny0821 Username: Lenny0821 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 8:38 pm:    I have ordered one through the House of Guitars in Rochester, NY. I called Hoshino in Bensalem,PA last week about delivery dates in the U.S. They told me they would be arriving about September 15th. You are truly lucky. I hope pics and a review are forthcoming. Lenny   Billy_porter Username: Billy_porter Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 3:34 am:    Hi Guys For Deadheads - check out Jerry Garcia’s Travis Bean TB 1000A for sale at http://rockstarsguitars.com/product.php?c=1&cat=107&scat=212   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 8:47 am:    Here is the Travis...   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 10:48 am:    Blackknife: Don't leave us hanging, let's see some pictures and hear a description!   Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 2:51 pm:    Yeah comon Black...post 'em already!!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 3:42 pm:    He's probably busy playing it. Maybe we won't see him for a few days!   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 7:55 pm:    http://members.cox.net/stranger1563/bwm1bs2.JPG   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 6:11 am:    Sweet. How about some high quality detailed pics? It would be nice to see some pics of these guitars being built since they are "speacial"!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 2:18 pm:    Black........... awesome! Don't let any drummers near it.   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 6:52 pm:    thanks guys! I'd love to post more pics, but I'm on a Mac, and it seems I don't have the option to upload pics here. I'd prefer not to keep putting my server links up. I'd be happy to email a volunteer some pics if he or she would be kind enough to post them. Lenny0821, I guess I kinda had an "Ace in the hole" who helped me out! I honestly did not expect it so soon. It's WELL worth the wait. It's BY FAR the most gorgeous, beautiful, best playing/sounding guitar I have ever had in my hands! Bobzilla...I won't let anyone near it!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 6:57 pm:    Q: what do you call a guy who likes to hang out with musicians? A: a drummer.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 10:16 pm:    Send em over to me I'll post them.   Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 2:13 am:    Not only do you have one sweatheart of a guitar...but it looks like you got some rocking equipment there too!   Lenny0821 Username: Lenny0821 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 9:25 am:    Blackknife, Seeing your guitar and reading your description has made me even more excited about receiving one. Even though I have been playing guitar for almost 25 years, this is only the third guitar I have ever bought and the first new one. I figure I still have about a month to wait. Lenny   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 7:22 pm:    thanks guys! you'll be one happy camper soon Lenny....trust me!! it's similar in weight to my 2681 so it is a bit heavy, but with a descent wide padded strap it's really not too bad. small tradeoff to play a guitar as sweet as this in my opinion!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 9:56 pm:    Here are some pics of Blackknifes BWM1BS   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 9:58 pm:      Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:00 pm:      Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:01 pm:      Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:05 pm:      Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:12 pm:    YUMMM!!...and Dig that case!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:41 am:    BlackKnife: since I've been playin' the Weir role for many years, I'm curious if it has the late 70's / early 80's 'tone' out-of-the-box, or is the rig also a crucial component...Please e-mail me offline with details. Thanks, mk mkaufman@cloud9.net   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 9:49 am:    Blackknife: Is the signature on the back something special for you or are they all going to come signed? Also, tell me more about your Mac problems...you can send me an email if you'd like. Ggive me your system specs, including OS version and what web browser you are using.   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:45 am:    as far as I know they ALL come signed by Weir. the sound is pretty much out of the box MK I'm off to see Bobby & Bruce in NYC, and NH so have a great weekend guys! I absolutely LOVE that new guitar/case smell! I hope it never goes away!   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 12:13 pm:    oh yeah...thanks for posting the pics freak! I'm gonna ask my buddy, who is a photographer to take some real good pics when we get back from NH. I'm in love......with a guitar named Cowboy Fancy!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:40 pm:    You are welcome enjoy the shows!   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 9:22 pm:    I am psyched ! Pickin up my Weir tommorow....even gonna play hooky to get it !   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 9:23 pm:    Cool Dave give us some shots of yours also!   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:08 pm:    Yea I'll get da gang together for a group shot AR5000, Scruggs , Weir & Cowboy !!!!!!   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:45 am:    Wow, that was fast ..I didn't think that one of these would hit eby for some time...seller also has a 2622CW..very pricy though.... http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-IBANEZ-GUITAR-REISSUE-BWM1BS-COWBOY_W0QQitemZ7347793 886QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 9:00 am:    I thought a couple of guys on this site got theirs in the $3500 range. It looks like it's worth $7000 for sure. It's beautiful. But still... $7000 is a chunk of change.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 9:04 am:    This guy has three very nice items, however, I think they're overpriced. btw....does the Cowboy really come with a one-year warranty? For that price, it should be warrantied for life.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:48 am:    Overpriced is too nice a phrase Mike. He's taking the p*ss. Blackknife/Dave, I bet it sure looks great in the flesh doesn't it? Dave... I'm assuming you have it clasped in your mitts right now and you are drooling all over it? BTW, Best way to keep the smell in the case is by keeping it shut and not playing it. Sweat changes the way things smell. Ask any tramp. six   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:26 pm:    Six, Actually I'm walking out the door in about ten minutes for a 1 hour ride to go pick it up !   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:43 pm:    You must be back by now? six   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:49 pm:    the photos in the ebay auction seem like the best shots I've seen so far. Now... I didn't sleep well last night because I was just sitting there staring at the AR1200 I got yesterday. If you guys own this BWM.... how do you drag yourself away from it to go to work etc. etc.? I think I'd take a day off and spend it with this guitar.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:28 pm:    Six, Just got back...I was supposed to meet John there so I waited, but I guess I missed him...Anyway, I about to tear it up with this beauty but I just had to tell ya that while I was in the store, I asked the manager if he had any vintage Ibanez stuff and he said Yea, I think I have a old bolt LP in the back. He brought it out and I offered him $100 on the spot, we settled at $125.....A near MINT example of a '73/74 Deluse '59er in a honey burst bookmatched flamed maple top...only non original thing is a replaced selector switch and no pickguard. I whined a bit and he threw in a brand new case ! All in all a very good day ! Pict to come   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:02 pm:    Dave: I got there at 2:20! I'm so bummed! I left a little late and traffic beat me up all the way down there. What time did you get there? Did you play it while you were there? Brian told me he sold you a '77 bolt-on LP. Didn't say anything about it being a Deluxe 59er.   Billy_porter Username: Billy_porter Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:19 pm:    Dave_g stated that these were selling for 4300USD. This guy is selling for a starting bid of 7000USD. My schoolboy maths calculates that at about 62% profit. I think he's taking the p*ss. This is one of many things that drive me nuts about the guitar market these days - it's driven by whealer dealers (collectors ???) out to make a profit selling to 40+ guys with too much money rather than guitar players looking for a good guitar. Top of my list are those guys that pay premium bucks for an AAAAA grade maple top. Who cares if its AAAAA grade, does it play or sound any better with a coffee table top ?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 5:27 pm:    So this guy won't get 7 grand for it. Thats insane! I like the wine red artist he has for sale.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:21 pm:    the red artist is real real nice. a definite. But... $1900? I dunno 'bout dat.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:48 pm:    I don't believe it Dave. You managed to blagg a bolt Lester from this guy too! Twas your lucky day alright. Well done that man. Didn't see any cream surrounds hanging around there for my Weir by any chance? BTW, I am staring at the Weir right now... all black and shiny. Okay put the blessed thing down Dave and take some hot shots of the Cowboy will you please six   Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:49 pm:    Nice score Dave! ...and about the $7k Cowboy on ebay...just think...if someone buys it, it's like buy one get one free, since he bought 2...!..lol   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 8:03 pm:    Man I came over here to let you guys know about that wine Artist and then saw the Cowboy in the ad... Jeez Louise, I was gonna title the thread "Nosebleed Section" (which is what we here in America call sports stadium seats so high up in the stadium "you'd get a nosebleed"). LOL Have a safe weekend fellas (and ladies) !!   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 9:37 pm:    Billy, Its even worse (better) than that....I got the Cowboy AND a '73/74 Near Mint Lawsuite headstock Deluxe 59er (honeyburst) A New LP Case, Strap and two sets of strings for consiterably LESS than $4300 (Including TAX ) !   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 9:51 pm:    Six, I'm a feelin so good , I might take a poke at that big 'ole box of Ibanez parts I have in my shop for those PUP surrounds...Give me the weekend to see what I can dig up   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:59 am:    Thanks Dave, I knew that someone would come to my rescue or at least have a stab. BTW, I'm not being fussy but they have to be the double screw pup mountings not the triple screw. On another note: $7000 - $4300 = $2700 that the seller can put towards starting the New Orleans disasater fund. six   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 2:55 pm:    a stupid comment from me: Even though I will unfortunately never own one of these, if I did, I would prefer all the pups to be black, as opposed to the cream colored ones up top there. Just aesthetically, I would prefer all black pups in here.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 3:23 pm:    'zilla...Yea but its not a "Bobzilla" guitar, its a Bob Weir guitar and Bob Weir likes the cream ones on the top !   Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 3:28 pm:    You go Dave!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 5:54 pm:    i wonder if it was a sound issue and not a cosmetic reason that one is cream. Could be he liked that particular pups sound while experimenting and left it in.   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 5:44 pm:    that's exactly the case freak...it had nothing to do with looks. Jerry's guitars were the same way. I've seen his Doug Irwin "Wolf", "Tiger", and "Rosebud" with all black, and different variations of black & creme colored pups. there are a couple of pics of Jerry's guitars here: http://dozin.com/jers/guitar/history.htm http://dozin.com/jers/guitars.html   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:36 am:    If any of you are interested, here's another one... http://www.guitartrader.com/itempg.icl?orderidentifier=ID11260172744216E435B795C 2B43&secid=1021&subsecid=1090&catid=0&itmid=57396&dirpage=dir2&eflag=0&curitempo s=40&numitems=40 http://www.guitartrader.com/bigimage.icl?pid=57396&orderidentifier=ID11260172744 216E435B795C2B43&srcdoc=itempg%2Eicl%3Forderidentifier%3DID11260172744216E435B79 5C2B43%26secid%3D1021%26eflag%3D0%26numitems%3D40%26curitempos%3D40%26dirpage%3D dir2%26itmid%3D57396%26subsecid%3D1090   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:58 am:    ...............I told you it was a stupid comment. But........ I am stickin' to it. It's just my own preference. I can picture it with all black pups and to me.... the guitar would look even better that way.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 5:36 pm:    Ok Cowboys...I started a new "Bobby Cochran" thread, however, nobody has jumped on board. I highly recommend checking it out, especially for my latest post. Hint: Bobby has two Cowboys... mk   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:41 pm:    The other site has it for $4999.00. A bit cheaper and more real. He also has a NOS artcore united AG195 for 695.00.   Falcon Username: Falcon Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 10:47 pm:    Just want to report that I traveled to a place selling a new Cowboy and held and played it. It is one sweet guitar. My level of skill isn't worthy to own something as well made and nice as this. But it was a rush. You have to like inlay to like this baby.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 11:36 pm:    Falcon: Can you tell us where and how much?   Falcon Username: Falcon Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 11:03 am:    Jman, It is the one listed on ebay - located in MD. It is overpriced, but I believe the owner would take less (since you could buy one for $4999 online right now. If I were a potential buyer, I'd offer less for that reason. It is brand new - direct from the factory. Or to rephrase that... It's real and it's FABULOUS! falcon   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 12:32 pm:    Bananas at Large, a guitar store in in San Rafael, CA (just a few miles north of San Francisco) has a Cowboy for $4,999. Here's a link: http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_9160/productname_Ibanez-BWM1BS-Bob- Weir-Custom-Artist-Series-Guitar P.S. Wolf was built by Alembic, not Doug Irwin. Give credit where credit is due. See my above posts. Bill, tgo   Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 8:29 pm:    Bananas at Large is not an Ibanez dealer. Haw did they get this? I'll have to go check it out. -Sven   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 4:50 pm:    lbesq, one final question If Alembic instead of Doug Irwin was really the buider of wolf why did Irwin instead of Alembic get the guitar back as part of Garcias will and estate settlement? Man, I like Alembic, but you got to get your head out of Wickersham's @$$! enough is enough already.   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 2:35 pm:    Jeff.725 To answer your question, Fender built my '61 Strat. When I die I will leave it to whoever the hell I want to, but I strongly suspect it won't be to Fender. (And my Alembics won't be left to Alembic either - probably to my wife or son if he gets serious about playing). Obviously Jerry felt sympatico with Irwin. I have heard they enjoyed certain unhealthy activities together that others may have frowned upon. Certainly Jerry liked Doug and continued to do business with him until Cripes came along. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Irwin. In fact, I was very disappointed by the Dead reaction vis a vis Jerry's guitars. From a legal prespective (which, being a lawyer I certainly appreciate) I understand the legal mumbo jumbo under which the band probably had a legal right to the instruments. However, the bottom line is whatever Jerry wanted should have happened. Irwin had hit some hard times by the time Jerry passed and Jerry was always a very generous guy. By the way, other than Jerry's, does anyone know of Irwin making any other guitars? Now let me ask you a question. If Irwin originally built Wolf, why did it have an Alembic logo prior to Irwin repairing the headstock? (And the one indisputable fact in this discussion is that Wolf originally had an Alembic logo, as shown in early pictures). My Nissan didn't have a Toyota logo on it when I bought it new. Obviously the Wickershams and Irwin have different versions. I know I wasn't there to personally witness the true facts, and I suspect neither were you. But the logo, in my opinion, is very convincing. If the Wickersham's are telling the truth, it easily explains the Alembic logo. If Irwin is telling the truth, why on earth would he put someone else's logo on his creation? Bill   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 4:00 pm:    Huh, I thought Al Gore made Jerry's guitars. The truth is, Jerry designed the unique features in Tiger and Rosebud. And, as we have all correctly concluded, it's the artist not the tool. EJ   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 - 8:25 pm:    uh, jerrys will specifically said he wanted his guitars to go back to "their creators" not just random individuals. the guitar and another(tiger)went to Irwin as part of a settlement with gdp. So Jerry believed Wolf was an Irwin guitar as well as Grateful Dead productions also believed it was an Irwin guitar. Those 2 references are good enough for me, and I will take them . Irwin worked for alembic when wolf was started in the early 70's so the initial headstock logo to me is no big deal just like there is no big deal it was gone after the 73-74 overhaul. By the way, that guitar fetched almost a million dollars at a private auction. A hefty chunk of change. Woouldn't you think if the Wickershams had a rightful claim to alembic being the wolf creator that they wouldnt have gone looking for a slice of THAT pie?   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 8:05 pm:    just wondering if anyone else who has one has noticed the wood from the neck going through the body is slightly raised on the back of the body? It's nothing major, it's just not perfectly smooth like the front. it's definitely visible, and you can feel it as well. kind of like it swelled slightly after the final finish.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 10:29 pm:    It's back! This time at a lower starting bid! http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7349864298   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 1:30 am:    Jeffm725: Just curious, where and when did you read Jerry's Will? Bill   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 11:50 am:    I read it a few times Right here: http://www.rockmine.music.co.uk/Reaper/GarcWill.html#Will Now Please stop drinking the Wickersham Kool-aid and see the truth.   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 12:04 pm:    and here is an article with Phil Lesh concerning the lawsuit. Phil testified against Grateful Dead productions and on behalf of Irwin. So there is Phils word as well that Wolf is an Irwin. Again, his word is good enough by me. http://www.phillesh.net/philzonepages/friends_stuff/interviews/miami-010426.html}   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 12:12 pm:    How did a Bob Weir guitar turn into a Garcia thread?   Lenny0821 Username: Lenny0821 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 10:17 pm:    In the wiring diagram for this guitar, it shows that knob 7 is an EQ level. What exactly does this knob do? Is it for the active or passive EQ mode? Lenny   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 6:59 am:    Probably a EQ Gain. It controls how much EQ goes into the output signal. I think your second question is answered by the name of the control.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 9:22 am:    Assuming it's the same as the AR-500 eq, it's really a level boost/cut pot. When the eq is on, at the middle position (5), the overall output level remains the same as when the eq is off. Lower than 5, the overall level is cut. More than 5, the overall level is boosted. In addition, when the eq is on, the low-mid-high band pots are activated.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 9:25 am:    Were these "EQ" systems originally put in all these Ibanez guitars (that have them)to add boost/volume to the guitar when the pup coil splitters were set to the single coil position? Because... it really seems to help the guitar out in that regard when played in the single coil position. Or... is there another reason. Did they just wanna say "This one goes to 11?"   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 4:54 pm:    Don't know...yes, the single coils are definitely thin compared to the double coil settings. However, if you listen to Weir's Cowboy playing, especially in 1977, much of his sound is due to his use of the single coil. In fact, that's the main reason he switched from his ES-335. He wanted a single coil. My questions for the Cowboy owners is: does the Cowboy reproduce that '77 sound by itself (ie: without signal processing from effects, etc), and if so, in what settings? Is it the single coil from the middle pickup, from another pickup or from a combination of pickups? I've tried to reproduce that sound with my AR-500 using the single coil settings, however, I haven't nailed it. If you have a copy of the Egypy '78 video that's circulating, check out the drum circle sequence towards the beginning. Weir's playing is loud & clear.   Creekhed Username: Creekhed Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 8:21 pm:    The Wolf was built by Irwin...as was Rosebud and Tiger. Period. There is a "Wolf" replica built by Alembic now though.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 11:17 am:    Heres an open question for the collected masses....How do you decipher the serial number on the cowboy ? Wonder why the number doesn't indicate the very limited number produced and the individual number the guitar is of the "run"...seems to me that , given the value of this model, it would have been prudent to indicate that on the guitar....Just a thought Cowboy #F0520912   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 12:20 pm:    Dave, from the serial # you indicate, it does seem that it follows in the tradition of the serial #'s indicating exactly what you think they should indicate. Guitar was made in June 2005...... then, I forget how it goes but... someone else here probably knows the rest. I think the last "12" in there indicates it's the 12th guitar made. Most likely, I am wrong. Soeone will have it right.   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 3:18 pm:    I went to that Bananas At Large store in San Rafael on Friday to see the Cowboy (thinking about buying it SOMEHOW) and it was sold. Half the guys in the store didn't know what I was talking about. I left there thinking DO THESE GUYS REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY"RE DOING ??? They did have a handful of Ibanez in stock - GB10 (looked Korean made) and some hockey stick solidbodies. I spotted a MUCH NICER store right across the street called E*Guitars... wow, now this place had some nice stuff - a real guitar freaks store. All kinds of parlor guitars, pre-1900 instruments, MOONSTONES, MICROFRETS, a big gaggle of archtops (got to play at Heritage Golden Eagle, oh yeah !!) and all kinds of cool amps... After the great look in E*Guitars I was very dissapointed in Bananas At Large... Just my 2 cents   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 5:45 pm:    Hey 'zilla how'd ya get June out of that ? wouldn't that be September (09)?   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 5:47 pm:    F=June Duh !   Orval Username: Orval Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:17 am:    F = made in japan (they must be making these in 2 batches as i have not received mine yet)   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 1:26 pm:    F for Fuji Gen?   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 3:13 pm:    If Wolf was Irwin's, can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation of why on earth he would put an Alembic logo on it? Not only doesn't it make any sense, it is illegal as a copyright infringement. Bigmike: Thanks for the head's up on E*guitars. I'm going to try and get over there this afternoon. lbpesq   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 5:32 pm:    I didn't take that long to look at the but in my search for Heritage archtops I was at Guitar Showcase on Bascom in San Jose and they had a couple of great Jerry "copies" worth checking out. Gorgeous instruments !!! E*Guitars is a vintage guitar persons wet dream...   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 7:23 pm:    Those Jerry replicas are by Alembic by the way - if you haven't seen them they are pretty interesting. If you're a hardcore Deadhead and always wanted a guitar "like" Jerry's well here ya go... The "Tribute" (more or less a Rosebud clone) http://www.alembic.com/prod/tribute.html The "Further" (more or less a Wolf clone) http://www.alembic.com/prod/further.html   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 8:25 pm:    Bigmike: These look very cool. At $7500 & $8700 they make Ibanez's Bob Weir Cowboy seem affodable.   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 9:59 pm:    Johns, Resurection Guitar also makes a pretty nice Jerry Clone. Select Gallery and check out their "Lightning Bolt" model. "Only" a bit over $5,000... http://www.resurrectionguitars.com/   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 10:48 am:    Can I ask you guys sumpin'? What the heck is the big deal about Jerry's guitars? Was there some kind of "special sound" coming out of them or something? I've heard his guitar for as many years as the next guy and , in my humble opinion, his "sound" isn't anything to even discuss. Now.... I am not talking about his playing abilities, just the guitar sound. There's simply nothing there that should make someone want to track his guitars down. If you want to hear definitive guitar sounds and styles, I can certainly point you to ones that a) stand out b) are original and c) blow Jerry's sound out of the water. Keep in mind, It's not just the guitar, it's the player and whatever equipment he has the guitar hooked up with. No comment on Jerry's playing but his guitar sound is quite ordinary (in my opinion.) So. again, what's the big deal about his guitar sound?   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 11:44 am:    Zilla - That's a big can-o-worms Bob, so I'll leave it up to one question for you. Did you ever catch the Dead (or JGB) between '76 and '86? If you did, then your entitled to your opinion on Jerry's sound...if not, in many cases (certainly the crap live albums, soundboard tapes & etc.) reproductions did not do his "sound" justice. As far as the guitar, I'd say it'd be the woods that would attract me.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 11:50 am:    Strings, no I didn't. Maybe if I did, I would have a different opinion.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 12:37 pm:    Guys: I would suggest continuing this conversation on the GearHeads group on Yahoo. Nothing but Jerry gear talk there. This topic can rage forever and get somewhat heated. I would prefer that this site remains primarily Ibanez-related and civil. No offense meant...I've been a GearHeads member for a long time.   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 1:06 pm:    Bobzilla, I saw the Dead in 1970 (on my honeymoon at a high school type auditorium in Austin), in Santa Barbara in 1974, at Stanford in 1982 and at The Warfield in 1984. Let me tell you Jerry (and Bob's) guitar sound is nothing short of amazing. And if you want to hear The Dead live to your heart's content look for 107.7 THE BONE on the Internet. Every Sunday night at Midnight (California Time) they have a live Dead show - these guys have got to have the biggest collection of Dead shows I ever heard - I mean man... Just last night driving home from work I put on Da Bone for 20 minutes - happened to catch some tune where The Dead are really stretching out instrumentally and just marvelled at their respective tones (and I have a mega nice stereo in my Del Sol)... Also one must consider that people either really like The Dead or hate 'em. It's all about personal preference and taste. NO ONE is wrong or right, it's your preference and nobody can argue what you (or I) like as being crap OR great... And I don't know if you looked up those guitar links I posted but it is the workmanship and woods on those instruments... Take a peek (if you have not already).   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 1:35 pm:    Thanx Big Mike. Out of respect for Mr. Kauffman's request, I don't want to discuss this here any further. But thank you.   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 1:43 pm:    Agreed Bob, check them out on 107.7 The Bone on Sunday nights...   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 2:00 pm:    yeah, I agree with Kaufman, I have contributed to this off topic mess trying to reason with lbpesq, but really, why do I care if he gets it or not? And what does it really pertain to this thread? Gearheads IS the place for further discussion on this topic. Plus I cannot answer this Alembic/Wolf peghead answer one more time!! :-) I actually invite lbesq to post his belief to the Gearheads board, it should be interesting.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 2:02 pm:    Amen!   Billy_porter Username: Billy_porter Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 3:28 pm:    'Also one must consider that people either really like The Dead or hate 'em.' Differ to agree. Howzabout complete and utter apathetic indifference. Probably coz I'm a brit and.........aagghh, covered that one before. Having little knowledge of the Dead I really couldn't comment on whether they were good or bad. But I still think the guitar's a bit crass but everyone to their own taste. It;s what makes Forum debates interesting rather than a mutual group appreciation forum   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 3:30 pm:    One last thing to further Mike's point. I never met ANYONE who has seen them during that core time that was not blown away walking out of the show...no matter what their disposition was walking in. Sorry for the post script Freak! Now, back to the Cowboy...maybe someday they will release the Bobby Cochran maodel as it seems better setup for lead voicing(?)   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 1:21 pm:    jeffm725: I have applied for membership in the Gearhead forum. I'm looking forward to continuing our discussion and seeking an explanation for the Alembic logo on the original Wolf peghead. As for your comment: "I cannot answer this Alembic/Wolf peghead answer one more time!! :-)", I am a little confused. Initially you stated: "Jerry's association with Irwin started when Jerry walked into Irwins shop. He bought Irwins very first guitar (serial 001). This was alembic like and had humbuckers. Jerry who was playing his Alligator strat at the time wanted more of a strat pickup and 5 way selector deal and ordered a custom right there. This guitar is what became wolf. This is Irwins serial 006 and was delvered around 73" Then later you write: "Irwin worked for alembic when wolf was started in the early 70's so the initial headstock logo to me is no big deal" So which is it? Was "Wolf" built by Irwin after he left Alembic and had his own shop (per your first response), or was Wolf built while Irwin worked for Alembic (as you claim in your second response)? And either scenraio STILL doesn't answer the question of why Irwin would put an Alembic logo on the guitar if Alembic had nothing to do with it. Bigmike: I checked out E*guitars. Excellent store, thanks again. lbpesq   Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 1:32 pm:    Lbpesq, Did you spend some time in the acoustic room, I almost passed on it and then once I was in there spent about 20 minutes trying out stuff... That's where the Moonstones were. WOW !!   Lbpesq Username: Lbpesq Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 8:57 pm:    I saw the moonstones but didn't have time to play them. They sure do look purdy, though. I did try out a '49 Martin and a '61 Martin. They'd both been around the block a few times, not much to look at, but WOW, what a tone! The jazzbox wall is incredible too. I'm definitely going back there when I have a more time (and hopefully more $ in my pocket - LOL)! Bill   Lenny0821 Username: Lenny0821 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 5:14 pm:    Orval, Have you received any information on when yours is arriving. The dealer told me today that the Ibanez rep told him today that it would be at least another month. I'm hoping he is overestimating. Just wondering if you have heard anything specific. Lenny   Orval Username: Orval Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 8:39 pm:    lenny, i heard this week from my contact at hoshino that the second shipment should arrive at bensalem in the middle of october, so i should have mine by the end of this month. orval   Lenny0821 Username: Lenny0821 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 7:08 pm:    Thanks Orval. I guess that's right in line with what I heard. Lenny   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 11:32 pm:    Orval...All I can say is its WELL worth the wait..I havn't put it down yet !   Lenny0821 Username: Lenny0821 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 6:18 pm:    I received my guitar yesterday just before a gig. My gear was already at the club when I picked it up, so the first time I plugged it in was just before we started. I was quickly able to dial in sounds I needed for playing in a classic rock cover band, but not much time to explore. Today I have been playing with it all day. It looks and sounds incredible. The pickups seem much hotter than my MC-350NT. One concern I have however is that the LED indicator light for the EQ does not turn off. The EQ goes on and off, but the indicator light always stays on. Anybody know a possible solution? Also, I was wondering if anyone who got one knows what guage and brand of strings it came with. Thanks. Lenny   Blackknife Username: Blackknife Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 11:00 am:    Congrats Lenny! That light will always be on if you have a cord plugged in....hence "power indicator". I think it's there more as a reminder to unplug so you don't kill the 9V. I'm not sure what the strings are, but as soon as mine start to go I'm throwing a set of Pyramid Gold flat wound 10's on her. I've been using them for a while now, and they're killer! They're a bit on the expensive side at 24 bucks per set, but they last twice as long, and they're a dream to play. http://juststrings.com/pyr-gf610.html Best wishes with that Cowboy!   Lenny0821 Username: Lenny0821 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:39 pm:    Blackknife, Thanks for the info. I am glad my new toy is not malfunctioning. I will have to try some of the strings you reccommend at some point. An Ibanez rep told me that they most likely came with D'addario (spelling?) mediums. I love the sound it has now, so I might try these first. Lenny   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 3:43 am:    www.guitarsplus.com These guys have a Cowboy on GBase is anyone is interetsed... http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/GearDetails.aspx?Item=854764   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 7:14 pm:    For anyone intested in seeing the original Cowboy in action: There are two different Bit Torrents running now of the Grateful Dead from 4/12/78 - Duke University: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=71801 http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14995 They are both the same and contain a DVD of the show. You'll need an account (free) to access the download. I highly recommend getting it, especially if you're a Bob Weir fan. There are tons of great shots of Bob playing the Cowboy. Check out his technique: an extremely light touch goes a long way. Plus, the sound he gets is what I've been lusting for since 1977. That's what got me into Ibanez. Be forewarned...it's a DVD and it's over 8GB. My download took three days, however, towards the end, it got much faster. Based on late Monday night's speed, you may be able to get it now in one day. The quality, except the shots from the side, is way better than the later '78 Egypt video. It's shot close up. In many ways, because it's close up, I like it better than New Year's 78 DVD. If you know about BitTorrent, then this will make sense to you. If you're interested and you don't know about BitTorrent, please email me offline. Lastly, if this was of interest to you, then great. If not, then please don't bash...I don't want another Dead 'discussion' on this site. Thanks & enjoy, mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 10:22 pm:    Interesting observation: the Cowboy in the video is considerably different than the reissue: - the positioning of the eq knobs & volume/tone knobs are reversed. There is one volume and one tone knob located where one would expect the low/mid/hi eq knobs to be. The three eq knobs are located where the tone/volume knobs would be expected. - the logo on the headstock is in script and is large. - the inlay on the lower bout is more like the fancy Custom Agent. - it has a pick guard - I think it has Super 80's, plus the single coil, not the Dimarzio's which came later. Who know how to capture a video frame so I can post it?   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 11:07 pm:    Pause the video on your computer>Strike the Print Screen key (Windows System)>Paste into any photo editor (or Word for that matter)>Save it   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 8:07 am:    Thanks...I knew about that but didn't think the quality would be good. I'll try it and hopefully have something to upload. mk   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 9:08 am:    MK: I use InterVideo WinDVD4. It has a Capture facility built in. Pause the DVD (Spacebar) and press P. There's a mini app that tracks multiple captures, so you can view them and then save the ones you want. They are BMP files, so they have to be converted (I use FastStone's Image Viewer) to JPEGs. How's this for quality? Shaken, not stirred...   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 10:14 pm:    The print screen didn't work well. This may need to wait until I get a better DVD player. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 7:27 pm:    Preamp BOB WEIR SPECIAL (w/3-BAND EQ) Is the preamp different from the AR-500 and 2622 pre-amp? mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 9:44 pm:    Bump bump bump Also....has anyone come across a schematic for the Cowboy?? Strings....you have mail... tnx, mk   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 10:59 am:    MK...now you've got mail. Sowwy...I was in Maui   Frank Username: Frank Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:26 pm:    Does anyone know if all Cowboys have been sold? Have any resurfaced and whats the average price they have sold for, new or resurfaced? How bout a head count of all Cowboy owners in ICW! Anyone besides me still hanging on to a thread trying to find one?   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:38 pm:    Frank, one or two popped up on ebay a while back. Definitely one for sure and maybe another... and I think the guy was asking $7,000 or something like that, if I am not mistaken. There's a thread here on this site about that ebay listing (somewhere.)   Frank Username: Frank Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:46 pm:    Bobzilla, Problem I have found when trying to see an old ebay sale of a "cowboy" is that after 90 days ebay doesn't show the listing or any info after that. Is your guess that all "cowboys" sent to US are sold? Sounds like other ICW members that got one really love them. I would like to hear from them since they've had them now for a while to see how they're working out.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:49 pm:    OK Frank, try to find the thread here then and... I don't think the word "cowboy" was used in the ebay listing. You may have to search by the model number which was.... bwm1... or something close to that.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 3:24 pm:    Cowboy sighting! Well not exactly a real Cowboy. It's Rat Dog drummer, Jay Lane's bass drum.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 6:49 pm:    Johns: That's funny. For those who don't know, Ratdog is Weir's latest band. On occasion, he has played a 'new' Cowboy with Ratdog. I will see them on March 21 and I'll let you know if he breaks it out. mk   Garyelcrrt Username: Garyelcrrt Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 12:27 pm:    There is a Cowboy currently for sale on Ishibashi's website at: http://www.ishibashi.co.jp Beware of the translating software - this is a quote from the website's description of the guitar: "Performance of the web translation we apply with the online software for these pages might NOT be accurate to be promptly viewed and read. We apologize for any inconvenience and trouble caused on you due to this. Your understanding on this issue is highly appreciated." Male GRATEFUL DEAD of American lock not to allow waning of popularity still to be felt from kingpin Jerry Garcia's dissolution that dies and depends for ten years. There are a lot of fans to renew impression by the documentary movie "Festival Exppress". It is assumed that the remaining member is Za dead and reactivates the band now. "Cowboy fancy" model of Ibanez whom the Singer and guitarist's Bob wear patronized appeared as signature model BWM1 BS. The relation between wear and Ibanez goes back to middle of 70's old. This cowboy fancy was a guitar that had been made for the Bob wear and Bobby Cochran (Steppen Woolf-jumped the gun Britou Brazarz) in around 76. As the Bob wear model of Ibanez, this cowboy fancy is the first commercialization though "2681" before had been put on the market. Moreover, the limited sale in only 30 all parts of the world. Four was shipped to Japan. One arrived to Ishibashi sooner or later. Ebony is adopted for the ash and the problem in Maple, Walnut (five piece through problem structure), and the fingerplate in the body. Three picking up composition of ham backing + single coil + ham backing. Equipped with three band equalizerWide sound making is possible. Covering will make music that the Bob wear and dead are wide from the psychedelically number to a simple country song. It is addition in back plate signature of Bob wear autograph. It is one of the dead Hezz coveting. It actually sells it in the shop though the deletion of merchandise information according to the clearance will be made to do in every case. There is already a case sold off for the commodity. After it orders on this page, the stock is presence and is ordered. I will deliver the mail to the received effect." Enjoy!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 5:06 pm:    Looks like the price is 787,500 Japanese yen = 6,742.29 U.S. dollars   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 12:01 pm:    Does the Cowboy come with papers, tools or other accessories?? tnx, mk   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 5:55 pm:    Michael, are you responding after 364 days? Don't you think this thing is long gone? Ginger   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 7:37 pm:    It was a general question and had nothing to do with any prior posts. I just didn't feel like starting a new thread. Someone answering would be nice... mk   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 1-2005 Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 1:00 am:    For $7K .... naaaaaaaa...they'd have to charge you more. What would your best guess be MK?   Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 1:08 am:    Wouldn't the correct question be: "Did the Cowboy come with papers, tools or other accessories??"?   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 7:12 am:    yes, you are correct.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 7:46 am:    My 2670re didn't come with anything but a Prestige booklet.