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Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 3:15 pm: | |
What should I expect to pay for an ar500 in decent shape and an ar5000 in decent shape? I've never seen a 5000 that was available for purchase, but if I do, what should I expect to pay and... does anyone have one of the above they are willing to part with? |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 9:35 pm: | |
'zilla...You can get a 2622 for around a grand in AV..they are fairly common on Fleabay..the Ar500 should go for about the same plus or minus for condition, flame etc. An AR5000 is another story altogether..they are RARE (only 65 made in 1983) don't see them too often , I suspect in the current market your in the $4000-$4500 range depending on condition. |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 9:08 am: | |
Thanx Dave. If anyone wants to let go of a 5000, please let me know. That's a chunk 'o change though. Isn't there a vintage ar3000? Not a reissue. What would that one go for and... what's the diff between ar3000 and ar5000? does that mean there's a ar4000 (vintage) as well? If yes, how much? and... last question, what does the "AV" denote? I have the ar1200av now and I never gave it a thought. |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 10:46 am: | |
the ar3000 was never reissued. Its a diifernt guitar than the vintage. |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 11:03 am: | |
av = antique violin (finish) |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 11:05 am: | |
Thanx Freak, I'm interested in the 3000 as well then, if anyone is willing to part with one, lemme know. |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 11:06 am: | |
Thanx Les Paul, I actually figured out that AV about 12 seconds after I posted the question. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 12:49 pm: | |
'Zilla:
Here's some great pics of Yogi's great find (AR3000) from eBay-Italy. I'm still as jelous as the day he posted!
Needless to say, you will probably want one of these if one becomes available.
http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/12/10526.html?1117111970 |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 12:51 pm: | |
Yes, I remember this guitar. I remember when he got it. Awesome axe, awesome score. I want one. |
Fox
Username: Fox
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 4:30 pm: | |
´zilla, the main difference between AR3000 and 5000 is the "vine" inlay on the latter, furthermore there are different "Limited Edition" inlays on the fretboard, block letters on the 3000 and script for the 5000. Electronics are just the same on both, standard AR500 active EQ and Super´58´s.. Both have the same "wood" binding on body, f´board and headstock.
Yes there is also an AR4000, although I´ve never seen one.. |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 4:49 pm: | |
Thanx Fox. Man I am having a difficult time getting my hands on any of these things. Musicians usually need money (for some reason more than the avg. bloke) and I still can't find one of any of the above. I am very very very reluctant to part with my '78 mc500nt as part of a trade/sale for the above axes if anyone's interested. |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 4:50 pm: | |
There's a AR4000 pictured here....http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=12&post=24155#POST24 155 |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 5:09 pm: | |
Paul, thanx for that photo of the 4000. I have seen that before. Here. That's something else! Somebody out there has one. Probably collecting dust/spider webs. I guess you'd have to worry about taking one of these out and gigging with it. But... I'd do it. No sense just staring at it. I'd probably wear pajamas if I was playing it though. Even on stage. And... the rest of the band would have to set up off stage so they don't even have a chance of something bizarre occuring near the guitar. Why stop there? I guess I would only play it on stage standing inside a bullet proof dome like a bigger version of Agent Maxwell Smart's dome there in his office. "Cone of Silence" I believe he called it. |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 5:15 pm: | |
Bobzilla did you get a look at that 2004 ar5000? |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 5:50 pm: | |
Freak, I saw the vintage 4000, not the 2004 ar5000. I forgot that I had seen the 4000 before, here. I know I've seen the 5000 vintage too. Probably here. It's probably silly of me but I really would rather have an old one. I think Orval has one ar5000 and either Johns or Dave g. has another but if you can point me to a photo of the 2004, that would be nice. I am interested in an ar500 too. One thing about the 500's is... quite a choice on the tops of those guitars, some look like the AV finish, some are almost a cherry burst with real nice flames. I always lean towards the AV finishes but I'd make an exception for an ar500 with the "cherry burst" w/ nice flames finish. |
Fox
Username: Fox
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 8:34 pm: | |
Bobzilla, some pictures of those "big-numbered" Artists..   |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 9:16 pm: | |
The 2004 ar5000 was Japan only issue. its in the link that Lespaul had posted above.
http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=12&post=24155#POST24 155 |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 9:16 pm: | |
Actually it was a 2003 oops. Its still a beauty. |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 10:59 pm: | |
Here's a 2622AV EQ with the phantom power unit and aluminum flight case.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7350861500&fromMakeTrack=true |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:14 am: | |
Here's a '79 2622 (I doubt that's it's really an AR500 like the description says)
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1979-VINTAGE-IBANEZ-AR-500-GUITAR-W-OHSC_W0QQitemZ73498 11727QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:41 am: | |
John, Notice the three knobs, LED and rear battery cover...its a AR500 ! |
Michaelkaufman
Username: Michaelkaufman
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:46 am: | |
It's a transitional guitar:
- '79
- super 80's
- ar500 controls
- thinner body: 1 & 5/8" vs. 1 & 7/8"
- lighter than the 80's Ar-500
- probably not many of these around
I personally find it very desireable and I feel that it will go for more. I'm considering swapping my '82 AR-500 for this one, however, I'm hesitant to spend this much money without knowing in advance that I'll be as pleased with it as I am with my '82.
I've always found it surprising that AR-500's don't go for more than they usually do, however, everything seems to be going up, therefore, as crazy as this sounds, I'm guessing $1,500. Any bets? |
Michaelkaufman
Username: Michaelkaufman
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:48 am: | |
btw...
About 6 years ago, someone near me was selling an AR-3000 with aluminum flight case. I actually played it. There was only one bid and it ended out going to someone in Japan for $1,800. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:19 am: | |
Michael,
I bet this one will go for a little more than you might expect. Follow the questions below the ad.
But, if you are interested, it sure looks to be in excellent shape - I've never seen 2622 body ('cuz that's what it is) with that long linier pronounced grain - BTW, I love mine now that everything is "just exactly perfect". And, if you ever decide to trade out or sell your '82, please let us know. |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:20 am: | |
When I look at a late '79 or early '80 Artist, I check for the style of body (thin vs. thick), the neck joint (smooth heel I vs. smooth heel II) and the placement of the neck pickup.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I assume that Ibanez changed the name designation when they changed the body shape and neck construction, not the electronics and hardware. After all, they were constantly changing the hardware and electronics and never changed the model designation.
I agree with Michael, that this is very desireable Artist EQ. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:26 am: | |
Also, JohnS or other Admins: Notice the line feed on this thread...did we bust the site or is it just this thread? It just keeps going and going with no wrap. Think if you manually start a new paragraph with the <enter> key, then it wraps...but the auto wrap does not seem to be working |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:36 am: | |
JohnS - when they moved in the electronic guts in late 1978 (eg, a tone pot and tri-sounds), they moved out the name 2622 and named it the AR500.
But they continued to use up the remaining 2622 bodies and pups - smooth heel,
Super 80's and an out-of-phase trisound mode - all of which changed in mid -late 1980.
Then the body was shortend and fattened, she got Super 58's, a parallel replased out-of-phase and some pretty sripes. |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:37 am: | |
Strings:
The line length is longer because the software is accomodating the width of Fox's pictures. Try squeezing the menu frame on the left or running a higher video res, if possible. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:57 am: | |
Ahhhhh....interesting! Fox must be an Admin too...those are big pics (as they sure don't look low res:o)
So, yeah, so the first AR 500 were kind of interim birds. But, then again, I deduce this all from the Register |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 11:07 am: | |
Strings:
No Fox isn't an admin. He must be pretty good with his imaging editing software. Jpeg files are pretty remarkable, if you experiment with res and compression setting.
Fox: Do you have any secrets for making large images, that are smaller file sizes? |
Fox
Username: Fox
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 1:45 pm: | |
Johns and other fellow Ibanezers, sorry about the width, but I avoided squeezing the canvas size.. For to maintain some quality on the pics..
Secrets? Me? You must be kidding? Used only Photoshop�s resizing options, for to make the picts uploadable..just a little tweak on the brightness/contrast. |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 2:48 pm: | |
Fox:
In the old days, we used to recommend resampling to an "even increment" percentage, like 50% or 25% so there would be no loss of quality. Today, most resampling algorithms are sophisticated enough to handle any percentage. I normally use 33% on a 5mb image. Then use a smidgeon of Sharpening to get the crispness back. Crop anything uneccesary, saveas JPEG with enough compression to get the file to 50k or less. |
Artfield
Username: Artfield
Registered: 04-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 5:31 pm: | |
For Those Looking:
here is a shop in Germany which is selling an AR3000
http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_39_83&p roducts_id=8882 |
Fox
Username: Fox
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 6:42 pm: | |
Artfield, that�s the new one..A very good guitar though..  |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:08 pm: | |
Whayt does 1700 euros translate in US dollars? |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:12 pm: | |
Man, I 've had my eye on that "ar500" I was set on getting it no matter what. But... looks like it's gonna be a war and I am not inclined to fight it out. It's almost at $1,100 now. I got a guy who wants to sell me a totally flamed ar500 for $1350 I think he wants, actually much nicer than this one you guys are looking at. so... I'll probably wind up with the flame jobber. Problems: It's in Europe, I have no way of protecting myself. I am not to keen on sending $1400 to Europe and keeping my fingers crossed that I get the guitar, It's too bad because, I'd pay the money... well not quite, I was hoping to maybe get it a little cheaper, but I am too afraid to just send the money without being 100% sure I'd get the guitar. Thanx for the links guys, impressive stuff. |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 10:19 pm: | |
Found an old catalog page that uses the AR designation, but shows the old style bodies:
http://www.noahjames.com/vintagepage/catphoto/ARTIST13.jpg
It doesn't show the AR500, but it does show the AR400. I've never seen one of these show up on the board, either. Does this catalog page look familiar to anyone that can give us a date? |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 4:47 am: | |
1700 € = 2075 US$ |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 7:35 am: | |
Thanks Les. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 3:07 pm: | |
'Zilla, Michael - Are either of you guys "xhoopii" on eBay? In other words did one of you go for that '79 AR500? You both were showing interest. Just wondering if you made the leap.
If so, or anyone else in the ICW family picked her up, show and tell please!
EJ |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 3:23 pm: | |
Strings, not me, I use the bobzilla on ebay too. I followed that guitar every step of the way and... I was waiting for the last second to bid but, and I may be wrong, I thought it went for more than it usually does or more than it should and I decided against bidding. I wanted it. I have found that sometimes, if you can afford to wait, You can find a decent deal on equipment. Example: recently I was in the market for an ar1200av. I got several responses and I think the cheapest one that was offered to me was near the $2000 range. I got one for $1,150 in real real nice shape. I was actually surprised what decent shape. The back of the guitar and top of the guitar including hardware were near flawless. Bottom edge of the guitar has a decent flaw but, you can't see it from any angle that the guitar would be in if you're playing it. I think I posted a photo somewhere on this ite. In any event... I have an ar500 available to me for apprx. $500 less than that one went for. It is a flame top and looks real good. Am in the process of working out the details, guitar is in Europe and I am afraid to just send the money and HOPE I get the axe. Has anybody else been in this position? If so... any suggestions on how to feel comfortable sending that amount of money off across the pond and hoping you get the guitar? Escrow? |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 3:37 pm: | |
'Zilla -
My '81 AR 300CS (I believe it is exactly the same as the one you are looking at in Europe save the EQ system) is an awsome player with great balance on the shoulders for a heavier guitar. I hope you get that one 'cuz I know you will love it...sorry to make you salivate that much more ;o) |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 3:51 pm: | |
Update... spoke to the owner. Guitar is halfway mine. He agreed to hold the guitar for me for about 2 weeks to give me time to sell the ar1200av and the mc500nt. So... if anyone's interested, before I list them on ebay, let me know. I will list them in a few hours so, that's not much time contact me. I will also list them in the "free classifieds" on ICW. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 4:03 pm: | |
The AR? Or the Limited Edition form the other thread? |
Bobzilla
Username: Bobzilla
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 4:08 pm: | |
The limited edition. Halfway mine. I already have the ar1200av and it and the mc500nt are up for sale so ... i WANTED TO GIVE icw MEMBERS A SHOT FIRST (SEE FREE CLASSIFIEDS). I will list the ar1200av and the mc500nt on ebay tonite or tomorrow. Most likely tomorrow to give ICW members a chance to contact me if they want the ar1200av or the mc500nt or both. |
Wrecks
Username: Wrecks
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 5:01 pm: | |
Hi all, sorry to chime in with this question, but i am going to look at this guitar in an hour.. Does anyone know what company made Lotus inthe 70s? |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 6:15 pm: | |
Wreks, not sure of who made 'em but I have a burst and a black one -look just like an early Artist -smooth heel and all. Came factory equiped with Dimarzios in both positions. I am in the process ofr restoring both of em. Nice beginner guitars. |
Wrecks
Username: Wrecks
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 10:14 pm: | |
thanks dave-g |