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Author Message   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 10:01 am:    I was ready to pounce on this one until I saw the pictures... http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7373584384 Besides the wear, I'm really not a fan of trems.... mk   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 11:10 am:    OY Gevalt. I'm gonna Plotz. What a Shonda! I am not a tremolo fan either. Turns a great guitar into Dreck. It gives me the Shpilkes. Otherwise it has all the Tchochkes. Sorry for the mishegoss ;-) Yiddish translation to follow unless someone can do it first :-)}   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 1:49 pm:    Jeff, I thought you do not like the artist line. From the copy on this one: "This is from when the Artist series was true neck through construction"...Neck-through??...not mine. Only those cheap MCs need that construction for extra sustain (sarcastic smiley of your choice JM;)   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:41 pm:    What ever made you think I dont like artists?, I LOVE them (and own 2). My first Ibanez was an 85 AR120 bought off the rack of Lasalle music in West Hartford in 85 (I still have it serial A850004). Just becasue I love musicians too doesnt mean that I cant love artists, they are not mutually exclusive, at least I dont think so!   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 3:44 pm:    I must have misinterpreted a thread of Bob Z's where (I thought) you said you'd throw in an AR for free in a deal for an MC of his. Anyway...it is just good to see you are alive and well as I have not seen your expertise out here for some time. Someday I'll get the chance to hear/play an MC of that era and find out for myself what a great axe it is...then I'll go broke catching up to you guys!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 10:40 pm:    Check it out. The BIN was $475. It went for $760!   Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 6:43 pm:    What is up with that!?   Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 8:34 pm:    strings, yup I did say that. Yeah if a MC500 NT is up for a trade for an AR500 , personally I would take the MC500 (because of many reasons but just the rarity of the NT is a biggie there)...still doesnt mean that I dont think artists are fantastic guitars though. It is just a personal preference. I fully GET what is great about the artists. I do love them, in fact I am playing a 2681 now and trading an mc500 for it!   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 11:10 pm:    'Zilla's sure is a beaut! But, I think we've not seen much of Bob out here lately 'cuz he just aquired a 2622EQ and I'm not sure he has ever put it down! Off-the-wall question for ya Jeff M (and no one else will get this): Ever had the opportunity to play in the 'Westy Chapel' ?   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:31 am:    MK et al: Here's another chance: http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 10:14 am:    Strings: The link is not valid. Should be an item number after the %3D.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 10:42 am:    See if this does it: http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7376144743   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 1:33 pm:    Yes....I had seen it. The guy does have 0 feedback and it's a 1984...I may hold out for a 2619...   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 2:59 pm:    I don't think you'll find much diff between the '84 and the '80-83 models...might be better! But, I'd bet it is much better than your 90's model. Ya gotta believe the great R&D folks at Ibanez-Japan would not have made a catestropic mistake in the early '80s when updating their ARs. Also, don't forget what that one fetched out on the Bay...that was an '84...so resale won't be an issue. I imagine you know...the 2619 is a dramatically different axe. If the neck on the 2919 is the same as the 2622, then it is fairly hefty.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 3:00 pm:    sorry...I meant 2619   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 4:43 pm:    Won't the 2619 weigh less than the AR-300, regardless of the AR-300 year? My '77 Weir had a very heavy neck and it was always slipping down on me. Is this the same issue as with the 2618/2619? Don't you prefer the 76-79 era vs. the 80's era for Artists? mk   Overdriver Username: Overdriver Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 7:18 pm:    My input on the weight is that my 2618 & 2619 are both a lot lighter than my '80 AR-100, which, apart from the fret markers, appears to be identical to the AR-300. I must say that I prefer the block/abalone inlays on the AR-300 (and the 2619). It's a pity the 2618 doesn't have them.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:01 am:    Michael, I love(and own them) both for different reasons because they are very different guitars. And in the pure humbucking mode, I can get them to sound very close to one another. It's in the various permutations (trisounds and eq-if available) where they differ greatly. What seems more of a mystery to me is what you want. Up north in this thread, you mention pouncing on an AR300. Also, you bought one from the '90s and almost loved it (and please don't explain to me the attractive price)and then you liked it a little more. I was scratching my head because you just dumped the mother of all early '80-Super58-"Fatty" body-AR types, your AR 500. A pure PAF style-humbucker-kick-the-snot-out-of-a-Gibo LP type axe. Yet, I sense that Weir (and more specifically, "Cowboy") is the sound you want as you play that roll on TV) The "Cowboy" sound is DEFINITELY NOT the Super58-thick-mahogany-"Fatty" sound. So, as totally chasing-my-tail as you have me, I keep you abreast of every Artist of that era. The axe I think that would please you most is the AR 500 from '79 which I gather, from lack of feedback on this site, is relatively rare and I just happened to stumble on one. The reason, I believe, lies mostly in the combo of the Super 80/FlyFinger P-ups, the trisnds and the triple EQ control. No other axe that Ibanez made has that combo and it seems some settings get me as close to the Cowboy as I've experienced. I would imagine that you would know very well what to expect from an '80s+ Artist 'cuz you been-there-done-that. Why you stay interested in PAFatties is beyond me as I don't see you as a collector. I would imagine that the 2622EQ (got one of those too and no, I'm not a collector) would be the next best thing. Bobby's playing has captivated me from the beginning ('76 and I never turned back) but I range from his style to Carlos so I need those three. So, now that I've worn myself (and my hyphen key) out tracking your grail-quest, I've decided to just go ahead and pay for your BWM1BS "Cowboy Fancy" Artist guitar...actually I'm going to buy you Mr. Weir's guitar. Just email me your address so we can end my confusion. Write back.......please xoxo ps hey, this is beats flooding my rink in -2F and my neighbor's wife has been complaining a bit about my late night fret-masturbation lately...doesn't wake my kids or wife, but it bugs her...go figure. Best to you and yours (et al) this holiday season!!   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 8:27 am:    Strings: Watching the '78 video with amazing sound and close-up's of Bob's original Cowboy has rekindled my Cowboy flame. I've heard what you've said, however, I'm still not convinced that I can get THE Cowboy sound without the middle single coil pickup. It may also require the eq. BTW...to me, there's a distinct difference between the '77/'78 Cowboy sound vs. '79/'80's Cowboy sound. It may be due to a different Cowboy +/or effects. I'm after the earlier sound... I'm trying to get as close to the Cowboy as I can without spending $4,500. As per your recommendation, the '79 AR-500 would be my first choice. Since they're hard to come by, the next in line would most likely be the 2619. Possibly a 2622 (we need to talk about this). Bottom line: I think the 'early' Artist models will sound closer than the later models. Also, the 'early' models will (help) address the weight issue which with my back is a necessity. Something else...don't shoot me, however, I would seriously consider adding the middle single coil pickup to any of the guitars mentioned above. It worked for Weir so why couldn't it work for me? Remember, I'm a player, not a collector. (I can hear the collectors groaning now). Lastly, I no longer own a vintage Artist solidbody and I miss the sound. I love my AM-50, however, I miss the sounds of my old AR-500. Regardless of everything said above, until I have my Cowboy, I'm still looking for a deal on a solidbody, and thus, my reason for buying the reissue. The '80 AR-100 I purchased for my friend's son was real nice... btw...I do appreciate you looking out for me. When my DVD burner is up & running, I'll dup the '78 video and send it to you.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:33 am:    I agree with your points and you do have a keen ear for Weir's sounds. Your flip-flopping for the sake of a solid-body makes sense too! I absolutly love my AR300!! The reason I say 2622 is not only for the super80s and the eq, but from my experience with the other 4-digit Artists, which have plenty of sustain, the 2622 seems to have even more! The only thing you'd then need to do would be to add a master tone pot and tri-sounds...not sure, but I assume that all super80s can be trisound-configured easily. ALSO, it may be very difficult to find/add the eq to a 4-digit Artist. As far as hot-rodding guitars goes, I'm not a collector either. And if it improves the axe (e.g. adding a tone pot to the 2622 which I have not done with mine only because I now have the model with their oversight corrected - '79 AR500), I am all for it as I would probably never sell it. And even if I did, the 'next' owner would be missing it too so it would be done eventually. Just FYI - even though it sounds amazing straight up, when the 2622's eq is off, the only manipulation you have is the master p-up selector. I'm wondering how Zilla is enjoying his. Weight: Your AR500 was probably 10+ lbs. That IS a heavy guitar! My AR300 is 9.5 and it is comfortable on me and feels roughly the same as my 10 lbs '71 Gibson LP Custom. However, and someone correct me if they know otherwise, I imagine that the 4-digit Artists and the 2622EQ (yes, I know, 4-digits too) are all somewhere in the 9+ lbs range (not light)...they just balance differently. They sit more like a Gibo SG in that the neck to body weight ratio is more even...unlike the "Fatties" - which feel mor like a LP-centered on the belly. If you ever head out towards Minneapolis/St. Paul, I would be glad to let you sample (and, I'd throw dinner in as well) Best, EJ PS - I'd love a copy of that show any time in the future (4x DVD+Rs work best for me )   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:41 am:    Oh, and Mikey...I'd bet my life that the EQ is more essential than the middle p-up - which is still important. But the EQ will get you most of the way there and without it, the extra P-up will get you no where close by itself.Just food for thought. AAAAANNNNNNDDDDD, DON'T OVERLOOK THE OBVIOUS...WE HAVE A GOOD FRIEND AND, MOREOVER, A GUITAR ELECTRONICS WIZ/EXPERT IN MR. COCHRAN! Fire him an e-mail to the address you were using before run some of this by him. Best   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 6:04 pm:    Strings: do you have a '79 AR-500? mk   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 9:48 pm:    Are you not reading my love letters? I'm crushed. '78 2622, '79 AR500 and '82 AR300   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:25 pm:    Sorry...I've been distracted. I'll try & focus on the important things. This is starting to sound like I'm the husband in this marriage. Anyway, if I remember correctly, the AR500 is the one that arrived in less than advertised condition? mk   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:31 am:    Yeah, every thing is great now except the neck binding needs replacing...I'll do that when I re-fret. Otherwise the wood and hardward is in real good (9/10) shape. It is the 2622 that is a 9.9 )

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