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Author Message   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 9:10 am:    What's the diff. between a 2622 and a 2623 Artist? Reason I ask is because I saw an auction for a 2623. Described as "Steve Miller" model Artist. I have what I believe to be an ar2622. What's the diff. between the two? Did not see much diff. between mine and the one in the auction.   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 9:56 am:    That's a typo in the auction. That guitar is certainly a 2622. The 2623 does exist. It is basically a 2617 with an eq... js   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:01 am:    http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7376341269   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:21 am:    Thanx Jeff. The link is the auction in question. Guitar must be up the road from me here. From the location indicated in the auction.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 12:12 pm:    'Zilla, How are you liking your 2622?? Please elaborate in detail. Best, Eric   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:12 pm:    I like it a heck of alot. No complaints, I find myself pulling out the 2622 more often than the mc500 and the ar1200av. Not having the tone control on the 2622 when the EQ isn't turned on is not really too much of an issue for me. They should have had it in there though. Strange oversight. But, I guess, in the long run, it doesn't matter because I play it with the EQ on 95% of the time anyways. It is what it is. It has a great sound and feel. I really have no complaints. It cranks and has a good "bite" to the sound. I play it thru a 1969 "EARTH" amp. If you're not familiar with them, they're nasty little beggars these old Earth amps. Made for about 4 years I think and all they did was copy Marshalls EXACTLY. When I say exactly, I mean exactly. It's a Marshall amp with a different name on it. Same exact parts, etc.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:55 pm:    Yeah! I agree...it is what it is. The only reason why I like using it when OFF is that with it ON, I have to tweak the eq and vol carefully(calm it down) to get it just right for distortion. You are probably using natural overdrive from your amp (something I don't have) as opposed to a stomp box so it may not be an issue. Glad to hear it!   Overdriver Username: Overdriver Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 2:23 pm:    Actually it looks more like a 2619 with eq to me, Jeffsailor   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 2:44 pm:    Overdriver, I was talking about the actual 2623 being more like a 2617, and that the auction was incorrectly identifying the guitar being sold as a 2623. Photos of Steve Miller playing what appears to be an ash artist (2617) with an eq appear in an old concert program owned by one of the fellow collectors on the board. I was amoung a few of us on the board that were lucky enough to see the program first hand. A scan of the photo may have been posted in another thread. That guitar has been identified as a 2623. js   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 2:56 pm:    strings, as far as my Earth amp... it puts out 120 watts clean. Set in a distortion mode, who knows what it's doing! It's a bizarrely powerful amp. I just had it redone and the tech was amazed with it. I told him before I gave it to him that I've owned it since 1969 and there's a reason for it. It is one sick amp. About same size as a Fender twin, almost exact same size but... believe it or not, the Earth amp is HEAVIER than the twin. MONSTER sound. And... for some reason, who knows why, it even puts out like "harmonics" all by itself. It's pretty nuts. A wild amp. The distortion/overdrive is gotten just by the positioning of the volume and the master volume controls, that's all.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 4:06 pm:    Where did you see the reference/picture to the 2623?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 4:14 pm:    Here's a picture from Tom Wheeler's, The Guitar Book, 1978 Revised and Enlarged edition. This is the guitar that kept me yearning for an Ibanez. In my ignorance, I thought it was a 2617. Years later, I looked up this picture and saw the 5 control knobs, reread the caption and realized that this was a very rare 2623. It's never mentioned in any catalogs that I've seen. As Jeff says, Steve Miller is shown in an old concert brochure (or DVD insert) playing one just like this.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 4:17 pm:    Also see this message for a little more background on the 2623: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=12&post=3633#POST363 3   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 4:44 pm:    Johns: That's amazing. Thanks. Zilla/Anyone: can the pups on the 2622 be split and used w/ tri-sounds? tnx, mk   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 5:09 pm:    No go on the splits on the 2622. They're not there. I guess you can install them , but now you're building an ar500. I got the 2622 because I was having such a hard time getting a decent price on an ar500 and I knew the 2622 was lacking the splitters, the tone control etc. of the ar500. But... I thought what it had was sufficient and it pretty much is, you really can't complain much about a nice 2622. I'd recommend the guitar to anyone. I think there's a cherry 2622 (rare) that sounds ultra nice. I intend to get one. Still looking for an ar500 at a reasonable price too. P.S. - that 2623 looks very nice nice nice. I wonder why the seller in the 2622 auction thought his 2622 was a .   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 5:20 pm:    .... his was a 2623.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 9:51 am:    Michael: Congrats on winning the 2622!   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 2:46 pm:    Yes yes! We want the full evaluation!!   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 5:08 pm:    Michael, yes, the pickups can be split/tri-sound -modded if they are wired with the 3 +earth wire variety.. They can not be phase-switched, because of the use of common wire for both - signal and the case earth, you would end with some earthing problems instead of out-of-phase sound. By using a push-pull pot you could have coil split OR series-parallel without any "extra holes" visible. But why do such? I have enjoyed my 2622 very much as it is.. AR 500 is totally different, I think..   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 6:13 pm:    Fox, which year AR 500 are you referring to? '79 is nothing like the '80+ MK, O-O-P is a coloration you ulitmately want for the "Weir" sound we talked about. However, I agree with Fox, 'Zilla et al...the 2622 is awsome on its own as I'm sure you are discovering. I imagine you drove out to The Island to get it. I'd bet dollars to donuts that you would easily find the 3+ wires down the road as so many "PAF junkies yanked them from the 4-digit Artists - SINNERS!   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 6:28 pm:    ps... MK not sure I'd rewire the ones you've got in there now...but that is just my opinion. You went forward with the purchase with that understanding anyway...enjoy!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 4:27 pm:    The 2622 is actually cool.... as is. I think you'll like it..... as is.... but.... it's yours, have fun with it, if you want to modify it go ahead. My advice would be to leave it alone because it really is pretty outstanding the way it is. I never quite understand DRASTIC mods to vintage axes. Especially when whatever you're modding it to already exists. WHY NOT JUST BUY THE ONE THAT HAS THE SETUP YOU DESIRE? In any event, the 2622 will hold it's own against alot of guitars. I have zero complaints about mine. I use it more than the mc500 and the ar1200av. But it's neat to have all 3 because there are tremendous differences between the 3 of them. Neck width is a big difference. Sound is completely different on all 3 as well. My 2622 is a '78 and whatever Ibanez did with this 2622 back then was pretty nice because... like I said, the 2622 will give alot of guitars a good run for the money. I don't use pedals or effects, so I am talking about the straight sound that comes out of the 2622. It's pretty remarkable. I'm sure you'll love it as it is. Keep us posted.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 6:10 pm:    'Zilla - Perhaps I can shed some light as I think MK is on vacation. No one disputes your (strong;) feelings about the 2622...HOWEVER, per a conversation I had with him, Michael is very interested in the unique "Cowboy" sounds that Weir got with that axe (late '77 - early '83) 'cuz Michael plays in a "Dead" band. I have both guitars in question and I get closest to those settings when I use an Out-Of-Phase setting for the bridge, Series (HB) or Split for the neck, Selector-Center on my '79 AR500. Since 2622s seem to be readily available and are identical to the '79 AR500 in most every way, yet seem rare (I've only seen one on eBay and I snagged it)...MK might try a conversion in the future and I think it might work well for him. I think it would convert easily. In fact, it would be exactly the same as the '79 AR500 except for the battery location. FYI - I love my 2622 "as is"   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 9:24 am:    OK.... his guitar, whatever makes him happy. I hope it turns out well for him. Still.... you could just buy something already set up with what he's looking for. This won't be the first modded Ibanez and it won't be the last. Nothing wrong with having fun with your guitar, plus.... I guess it leaves less un-modded Ibanez's on the planet which makes the non-modded ones more valuable?! I think there's something to be said for guitars in their original condition. Michael may just plug it in, like it, and leave it alone. I guess we'll soon find out and either way, I hope he's happy with his decision, it's a nice guitar either way.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 9:38 am:    "OK.... his guitar, whatever makes him happy. I hope it turns out well for him. Still.... you could just buy something already set up with what he's looking for" Any helpful suggestions?   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 5:58 pm:    Hello from Belize...on vacation since last Friday. Submitted a snipe on the 2622 just before I left. Surprised I won! Coming home tomorrow. Starfield should be waiting for when I arrive. I'll hopefully pick up the 2622 this weekend. Have a happy! mk   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 8:43 am:    What's "Starfield" Mike?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 3:54 pm:    In JeffSailor's post from December 21, 2005, he mentions a Steve Miller Band tour book with pictures of Steve playing a 2623 Ash Artist EQ. I recently acquired this 1977 tour book and here are two of the many pictures that show Steve Miller playing the elusive 2623. Enjoy!   Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 12:28 am:    Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! German carved ash with 3-band EQ! THERE'S Ibanez' new reissue!!! Just add a maple fretboard with abalone vines...   Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 12:34 am:    btw... check out how/where his strap is fastened.   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 1:31 am:    That's an optical illusion, JChester, he's wearing suspenders (or braces as English people call them) to hold up his trousers. If you look *really* closely at the top picture you can see two straps over his left shoulder, the furthest one away is the other suspender strap (you can see the writing on it matching the one over his right shoulder). If you look into the dark part of the bottom of the guitar you can *just* make out the glint of the bottom strap button.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 4:42 am:    All this to avoid buckle wear? It's a garden gnome outfit! He looks like the Belgian "kabouter Plop"! Ginger   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 4:01 pm:    Here's a shot that shows exactly how he kept his pants and guitar held up.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 4:04 pm:    BTW, has anyone noticed that there are only 2 adjustment screws on all the pictures of this 2623? I thought all Super 80s, from early 1977, would have had 3 screws?   Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 12:31 am:    I stand corrected on the 'strap issue' (thanks for the additional pic John), but Ginger, it looks like that suspender hardware could scratch it up as bad as any buckle. No dents... just shavings. STILL... I'd love to see it as a reissue! John

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