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Author Message   Bondscoll Username: Bondscoll Registered: 4-2006 Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 8:15 pm:    Just curious iif it's original? Thanks ... Rick Ebay Item #170082034455   Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 8:41 pm:    Pretty guitar (flame, 5-pc neck & 5-pc back)... but a puzzler. -Headstock shape & tuners are not pre-s/n, but it's the old logo. -Wooden pickguard, rings & knobs can't be original... or even Ibanez. -Tailpiece doesn't seem right for any of it. -I don't know what the hell that bridge is. Frankenstein? Counterfeit cover-up?   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:28 pm:    Jchester, Actually the headstock is almost exactly the same as the 2420 (a similar looking guitar ) Perhaps this is a rare set neck version that the owner was smart enough to get rid of the fake tortoise pickguard and the damaged parts and replaced them with wood ....   Mattfrox Username: Mattfrox Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:01 pm:    I like the wood pickguard and pup rings. From what i seen in Dave's post i think its a classy alternative to the tortoise pickguard from hell. Jchester i see that exact bridge recently on eBay in the UK. Seller claims it is an original Ibanez part.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:29 pm:    Matt...Nah, thats a generic brass replacement bridge. Companies like Mighty Mite sold zillions of them in the late 70's along with brass nut replacements. The idea was that the Brass was more resonant. I have seen a couple of these over the years on Various makes   Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:32 pm:    Yes the tail is Ibanez and could be from the same time frame (have one like it that came on my J77 LP Standard CW with script logo), think I've seen a bridge like that before, but that looks odd and out of place on that particular model (I'm not sure its even Ibanez??). Otherwise, this seems kinda legit... awefully pretty looking, too bad it isn't a little cleaner example. I still don't know if I'd refinish that or not, depends how bad it really is in person I guess, but there's some pretty wood there for sure to work with! OK, was just looking again, is Ibanez on the headstock wood inlay or just faded or something? Also my inlay on my custom set neck 77 headstock is different... it is six individual inlays set into that same shape rather than a solid looking inlay with no gaps like this one has (looks to be 4 inlays rather than 6 like mine)... mine also has small gaps between the inlay and I've only seen them with gaps I think. This is a very interesting guitar whatever it is... I'm not sure what to make out of it yet, but I do see several Ibanez characteristcs that don't seem out of place. I wonder if this will stay semi-affordable... I'll pray it will, I like it!   Mattfrox Username: Mattfrox Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 12:00 am:    Heres the link for the parts: Ebay Item #280081506476   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 4:04 am:    Dave. Is your 2420 guitar a hollow top like the custom agents? Do you think this is hollow too? six   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 7:20 am:    Six, yea its a plywood top with voids where it is bent to simulate a carved top. There are 4 really interesting things about this guitar: 1) I think the back is fantastic and I have never seen an Ibanez with a figured mulit pc back 2) The headstock veneer is a very unusual wood, looks like Zebra wood or some other Rainforest specie-very different from the 2420-which looks more like rosewood. 3) Its a set neck without a serial number and a tulip headstock (unusual combination) 4) Finally , I suprised no one has commented on the very cool neck this guitar has. The detail on the laminate is very much like the 2399 (and the Gibson conterpart) with the 5 layer laminate using the thin layers of darker wood to highlite the lamination (I really dig this look)This construction should be reserved for the high end guitars. I would have loved to see this guitar stock. Too bad about the mods, but my vote is that this is yet another "one of a kind" Ibanez either prototype, one off, or employee special.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 7:31 am:    I forgot #5.. How could I miss the ultra cool flamed maple edges...this guitar is build like a jazz box. Wonder if it has the typical block construction under all that flame..   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 7:38 am:    The plot thickens....The headstock does look a little grody too..... Goat, The "Bunny" inlay does look to be either faked, or prototype (?) see comparison to a 2420 headstock.. Also the logo is individual letters (vs the connected script of the real thing..and the letters do not look sharp enough, almost as if they were hand done....   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 9:33 am:    Has anyone contacted the seller? Notice how he is in Pennsylvania? Maybe an ex-employee? The Ibanez logo appears tan, not white.   Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 11:05 am:    Right, the logo looks screwy (perhaps wood inlay was my only guess... which might explain the unconnected letters... perhaps this was done by the fellow adding all the wood appointments??? And I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed the oddness to the "bunny", my headstock on my custom LP matches your bunny (but black headstock rather than wood finish of course). This is unusual... maybe an early tulip headstock attempt/early bunny? Whatever it is, it was once (and doesn't look too far off from in its current state) a nice high end insturment. Even if several things may have been changed or fiddled with. I suppose there is the possibility of what Bob says, ex-employee guitfiddle. Hmm... mystery continues!   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 11:22 am:    Probably a block body as you suggest Dave. Still nice though. six   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 12:14 pm:    Dave are you talking about the logo not being underlined?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 12:26 pm:    There are 2 versions of this logo. Hasy pointed it out somewhere I forget what forum but there is the undelined like the small photo Dave posted and the one in question. I have the not underlined version on my Jet King and it also appeasrs on some Strat and tele copies.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 2:24 pm:    Freak....I never knew there were three different versions (don't forget the angled one on the set neck LP's) I guess its kinda weird that the log   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 8:47 am:    Thats right!   Hasy Username: Hasy Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 12:16 pm:    Guys This logo (the not underlined version) was never used on Les Paul Shaped Ibanez Models. And carved logos, the only one was on the carved stratocaster copies. Also the original ibanez decals are thin layers (like a stamp), not like the Gibby`s. For me - that`s a FAKE Hasy   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 1:12 pm:    Hi all I agree...there are too many things about this guitar that makes it at least highly suspicious. My main doubts: 1: Combination Guild-style headstock and old scriptlogo (and like Hasy said: a wrong one for LP style copies). 2: Tulip headstock in combination with set neck should have a serial number on the back. 3: Neck construction seems un-Ibanez to me. Could this be one that was made as a special order? This guitar looks pretty close to Gibsonīs top-of-the-line "The Les Paul" that appeared in the late seventies and had these strange shaped wooden pup rings, pick guard and knobs. But then again: if one would made a copy of the "The Les Paul" he sure missed out on some details. For starters I would never have chosen for a tulip head with rabbit inlay. "Having this said and having read the above postings I unofficially declare this one to be a fake-Ibanez" . Kind greetz, Harry   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 1:18 pm:    Addition to my doubts about the neck construction: If you see the picture of the back of the neck it shows two thin strips of dark brown hardwood. Something I never saw on any Ibanez LP copy. Harry   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 6:10 pm:    And this one has the 'Guild' headstock shape. Wasn't they already stamping numbers on the back when they changed to this shape? six   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 7:25 pm:    It makes me think of that so-called prototype of the GB10 we saw in 2006. Same rosewood on the headstock. Same inlay materials used. Very suspicious indeed. Ginger   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 8:51 pm:    Jchester, that bridge is a an aftermarket brass bridge from 80s, sold under the "Double Eagle"-brand. Somewhat popular in guit hot-rodding those days. They were available as a whole set of brass parts fo eg. LP-type guitars, or, bridge and studs separately.   Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 4:09 pm:    Ok, so maybe what bothers me most (at the moment) is the existance of both the script and block logos on the same guitar. The tuners are marked (on the back of the headstock shot) in the later block logo while the headstock front (see other picture) is in older script style.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 8:07 pm:    Got an interesting email from EBay today...Apparently any suspicions regarding this seller were warranted ! The following is a notice from eBay Trust & Safety regarding: Item Number - 170082034455 Item Title - Vintage Ibanez Guitar Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this seller's items. We recently removed this seller's active listings and suspended the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we cannot share further details about this seller. The notice went on outlining the far fetched chances of getting your $ back from this guy if you sent payment.. I'm so glad that I had recinded my bid on that guitar ! EBay is really starting to be a den of thieves !   Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 1:32 pm:    Yeah, I got something also since I had e-mailed him with "suspicion" about the guitar without response whatsoever. This one was SKETCHY folks!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 2:00 pm:    It has to be someone who is specifically aware that there's a vintage Ibanez market out there (to take advantage of.) You'd figure if they were gonna make fakes they'd make up Gibby or Fender fakes, but nope, they specifically chose Ibanez, so... it's someone who knows something about the vintage Ibanez market... I'd say. Question is...what does ebay know that we don't? Unless there's an astute ebay employee who quickly recognizes Ibanez fakes, it's quite interesting to me, to know what ebay knows. OK, maybe he's just a bad seller and they know from past auctions he's done but...it's so easy to just get a new ebay handle and start from scratch with auctions again and under those circumstances, ebay would have no trace of him/his past wrongdoings. If the seller is reading this post.... F*** You buddy.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 2:51 pm:    I think eBay reads ICW, and perhaps discovered for example that this guy is the same one who offered the would-be GB-10 proto. (I don't remember the user name, but I guess they have records). And I guess they take ICW serious as their business partner*, and if our members are getting conned more often on eBay, this partnership is in danger. *I think our over 3200 members (I believe that's what JohnS wrote some time ago) are good for a few million bucks turnover every year. Ginger   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 8:17 pm:    Bid on this thing and got 7 separate warning notices in my eBay messages, seller contends that it is authentic and I asked for private sale and he declined stating he would relist. I never saw the BIN and don't remember what bidder # I was but was willing to pay good cash for it simply for the novelty aspect. Got a little nervius about the pups but I have a drwaer full of replacements. Wait and see, I think this one will reappear soon. Jack

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