Scruggs - Brown Finish!!

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Author Message   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:49 pm:    Sorry guys...couldn't keep this a secret any longer: http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7400901158 Are the tuners original?? mk   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:56 pm:    Nope, Replacement Grovers by the looks of it Mike. Nice grain. six   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:58 pm:    Michael: Ooouuuuwwweee, that is sweet! Never seen one with a light brown burst, before. No, the tuners are not original. Look like some Grovers. But I gotta say they look sweet on that puppy   B5erik Username: B5erik Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 10:48 pm:    I'll give you [Dr. Evil]ONE MILLION DOLLARS[/Dr. Evil] for that puppy! Seriously, that is one SWEET guitar. Too bad it will be out of my price range before that auction is over. I've never seen one like that before. Whoever gets that one is going to be VERY happy - at whatever the final price is! That is one of the nicest guitars I've seen. The finish looks fantastic, the wood is great, the inlay is extremely nice, and it looks like abalone binding, too! And I'll bet it plays just as good as it looks. Damn, that is REALLY nice! I'll take ten!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 8:03 am:    Only reason the price is going up is because folks are bidding on it. Which seems like a ridiculous statement but... if no one bids til the last minute, you'd have a shot at a great guitar at a decent price. (I bid on it anyways because... it really doesn't matter what I do at this point... may as well drive the price up ridiculously high, like everyone else is doing.)   Brentm Username: Brentm Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 9:18 am:    Bob - I thought we had this coversation already?   B5erik Username: B5erik Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 11:40 am:    I try not to drive the prices up - I wait to see what the bidding ends up at in the last hour or so to see if I can afford to bid or not. I'd love to bid on this one, but it really looks like I'd have no chance. Bummer. The upside to that for me is that I'll still have my money for a 2619. That Scruggs looks pretty damned nice, though. I'd almost be willing to pass up the 2619 for that one! It would be nice if someone on this board won that auction....   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 1:02 pm:    B5erik: It looks like we've got some of our heavy hitters from the forum in the top positions. This is going to be a real horse race! Yeehaaa! Giddyup!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 1:07 pm:    I'm in the mood for this one. Let's see how it goes then. Undoubtedly, someone on this site will have this. Good luck.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 1:44 pm:    Go get em!   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 3:54 pm:    Seller says that he thinks tuners are original.. Unlikely... Says that knobs have been replaced with gibson knobs...   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 5:39 pm:    Tuners are not original THEY ARE GROVERS!!! six   Jdd Username: Jdd Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 11:19 am:    You know there is something that strikes me as odd when I look at the grain and stain, especially on the back side of this axe. It almost makes me think it were a natural 2671 that was stained at some point. Odd. I'll take a few pictures of the back of my brown Scruggs this evening for comparitive purposes.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 3:16 pm:    Jdd: I was wondering if this question/suspicion would be raised. Has anyone asked the seller if a refin is possible?   Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 4:18 pm:    Sellers response is quick and very open and he claims the original finish has a lot of playwear and finishcracks on front and back. Paul   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 5:59 pm:    I have a brown burst 2680 and its back looks exactly like the back of that Scruggs. I would guess that the finish is original. js   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 6:26 pm:    I've been wondering the same thing. I think the finish has just faded out somehow. Say like an old Gibson nitro finish would. However this is not a nitro finish and Ibanez poly finishes are pretty tough. So for this to have faded out this much I suspect exposure to strong light, Maybe it sat in a shop window for a long time but that doesn't explain the light finish to the back of the neck. So, it would appear to be pretty unusual for this type of hard poly finish to wash out this much. Whatever, it looks great.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 8:05 am:    any guesses as to what it sells for? here's my guess: $2,500. Not that I'd pay that, but from what I've seen lately, there's my guess. Someone will want this, that can afford it and not mind the $2,500. I'll push it up to $2500 just for grins. (that's basically what's happening anyway.)   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 5:02 pm:    Bob, $1800 max...remember it needs new hardware !   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 5:05 pm:    Why Bob?   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 5:49 pm:    Sorry I wouldn't pay $2500 even if it was mint. Dave is close but I'd say a bit less. six   Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 5:04 am:    Call me stupid...but since you all know each other...why not just wait till the last minute and then all put your max bids in and see who gets it?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 7:49 am:    Pitviper: The answer to your question was explored at GREAT length in another thread. I'm going to ask that everyone please refer to that thread if they want to continue discussing their ebay buying strategies. Here's the link to the thread Bobzilla started nearly a year ago: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=12&post=26754#POST26 754 thanks, JohnS   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 7:58 am:    Well, I say $2500 because, regardless of what imperfections this guitar may have, it's still a rare bird, couple that with the fact that a few of the folks on this site can afford the $2500 without blinking an eye, that's why I say $2500. If money was no object to me, I would take this axe for the $2500 just because, I'd really like to own it. I expect this exact model to get harder and harder to come by as well. That's why my $2500 guess. If one came along, in better shape, then I really think the $2500 would be legit. It's a collector's piece, this one, regardless of condition. Condition can always be improved, if owner is so inclined. P.S. - Pit.... don't get me started!!!   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 6:36 pm:    Unfortunately the money is no object attitude is why old Strat's, Tele's and most definitely old Les Pauls are out of nearly everyone’s reach these days. Those guitars are too expensive to take out and play, insurance would be a joke because every thieving scumbag would want to nick it. To think that some of the vintage Ibanez range will end up stuck in their cases most of the time with owners scared to take them out and play makes me cringe. Will owners be resigned to telling everyone the same thing that other rare guitar owners/collectors do like: It’s worth $20,000 now but next year, they're saying $30,000 on the ICW site. Oh, The house is alarmed and we have a big dog I try not to let people I don’t know very well see it/play it I don’t talk about it to strangers It’s worth too much money to take out I will never use it at a rehearsal WHAT! Take it to a gig!!!! It doesn’t have an original case but I can get one for $2000 I just take it out and stare at it now and again I hope this never happens to Ibanez. Count me out if it does and John may as well shut the site down because that's all we'll hear about. Do you really want this site to turn into the "Look what I've got" Forum. There are plenty of those about. Sorry, I don't subscribe to your way of thinking Bob. Not only that but every piece of crap that someone things is old and vintage will come out of the woodwork like it did when Fender and Gibson hit the roof. I've had a lot of vintage stuff through my hands and you would not believe the rubbish that people buy for stupid money because they know no better other than it must be good because it's old. Okay rant over.... six   Brentm Username: Brentm Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 7:59 pm:    Six... dude.. I couldn't have said it better. But my house is alarmed, and I do have a big loveable dog.   Paul_a Username: Paul_a Registered: 08-2002 Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 5:01 am:    The flaw in your argument Six, is that we all want top dollar when we sell an item. If I owned a '59 Burst (I don't!) I wouldn't be prepared to let it go below market value simply because the things change hands for ludicrous amounts of money. Would you? By the way the insistence on absolute originality (no refrets etc) only seems to apply to the world of electric guitars. Almost all Strads have been extensively modified and many see regular use in the concert hall despite the fact that they are worth many times more than the above mentioned Les Paul.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 9:05 am:    Six: Here's my two shillings worth of opinion: I agree that the astronomical price of certain Strats and LPs is an aberration that isn't real good for guitarists and the used guitar market. But it's happened and it can't be undone. Will this phenom occur to Ibanez guitars? I doubt it. There are certain models associated with popular artists, like Weir, that will always be at the top of the price bracket. But by and large, the majority of the guitars are holding their value in the used market based on a well-deserved reputation as great player guitars. Just some random thoughts (probably should start another thread, but I'm too lazy): Regarding collecting more guitars than you can possibly play. This is a popular perception of the "collector" who hordes guitars that players feel they deserve because they will "play them and use them as the creator intended". This sounds noble, but the reality of the world is: if you can afford them, you have the right to do what you want with them. Realistically, collectors have also been part of the chain that has preserved some guitars which would likely not have survived, otherwise. While some may speak ill of him, Scott Chinery is generally considered a very respectable figure in the guitar world for his efforts in collecting and preserving a huge collection of guitars. Also, "players" are often guilty of acquiring more guitars than they could possibly use. Why? i'd say it's because they love the instrument. While I love to make music, I also have a love affair with the look of guitars (yes, my wife knows this and is only mildly jealous.) So, why shouldn't I be able to admire them, acquire them and then just enjoy looking at them? (Six: I promise to make a concerted effort to play some of the neglected members of my collection!) BTW, if you really want a shock regarding the price and availability of quality instruments, look at the world of concert and symphony musicians. There are some extremely old and rare violins, cellos, etc. still being played, but they are so costly that they are owned by coporations and organizations and are "loaned" to the top flight musicians. Even newer, quality instruments are beyond the financial reach of most aspiring musicians.   Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 1:22 pm:    So far theres six ICW members bidding that I know of. I already met some snipers here as well..... Paul   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 7:15 pm:    Hi Paul, I agree we want top dollar . At the moment, Ibanez top dollar is pretty affordable to most people here if they really want it. I guess most of us have a day job, some are retired and with a little bit of saving all of us here can hang out for a reasonable price on most of the vintage range. I have gigged around 75% of the Ibanez guitars I've owned. I have no fear of taking them out the house. I have no fear of putting them in the car and driving to a gig as some collectors I know wouldn’t dream of putting an expensive guitar in the car for fear of a shunt. I have no fear of leaving the guitar on the stand during the break. I still let other people play them. Okay, so I do gawp at them a little (as you well know ) but that is only natural (isn‘t it?). My point is, that within reason and at this moment, all of us here can still enjoy the brand at the prices they are going for. If they get silly we won't be able to. All we will be able to do is say "I've got one of those." OR "I can't afford one of those unless: I stumble on a dusty case in Cash Converters Someone leaves me lots of wonga in their will I meet a Genie who'll grant me three wishes. However, I agree with John that it will probably not happen. I won't say 'never' as I've been proved wrong before. And yes, if you can afford it then fine but what about all the guys here who are looking for this model and that model. With a bit of digging around they can get hold of one. A few bits missing but we here will help them out to get it back to spec. If it does go silly then how many enthusiastic newcomers will we have who have just bought their first 2619? Will we will get guys joining and telling us how they wish they could afford a 2619. No I doubt it will happen but do all of us here need to make a conscious effort that it doesn't? How could we do that? How could we go on enjoying "our" brand without the threat of not being able to afford it? For example, will there come a day when Harry, Hassy or Orval will be willing to sell half their collections for that elusive/expensive Ibanez? These guys are probably buying at close to top dollar anyway and I admire them immensely for rescuing these great guitars. It's admirable and I enjoy every new edition they find when they post them up here. But for every new day it’s costing them more money, most of the time. But they enjoy as I do and so good luck to them. As for the originality/price application to the world of electric guitars, that’s not quite true these days. I own a few, and keep my eye on the vintage amp market. Take Fender. If it's untouched pre CBS it goes for a fair bit more than an untouched CBS model. Now we are only talking about a change over date and most probably no change what so ever in the spec/parts other than a company name. I am led to believe that the spec changes came in gradual over the next few years. But still, the price is different. Beats me but it's the same thing again. "This one is a Fender Electric Instruments Twin and this one is a Fender Musical Instruments Twin." Oh yeah they sound the same and the components are the same." You get my drift. As for the violin brigade I know nothing about that but don't forget they are hollow and I imagine that over the space of a few hundred years they get a right bashing like sat on, dropped, used as a baseball bat by the wife, etc etc. So is that a bit like a set of Nickel Grover’s on a 59 burst ? So taking in to account the difference in centuries, a re-build on a Strad would be ok to a collector? I dunno. six   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 7:16 pm:    After that rant, I would like to point out that my wife has just bollocked me for not washing up. six   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 11:46 am:    Six..now your ranting....Why pick on Orval Harry and Hassy ? You didn't really expect to continue to be able to purchase Vintage Ibanez guitars at unbelievable low prices forever ? Why should Vintage Ibanez guitars be the only exception ? Sure the prices have gone way up in the past year or so, but so has every other consumer product known to man (except computer memory).These instruments are no exception. Factor in the limited quantities available and you can almot guaraantee that they will continue to increase in value. I've been known to bid on a guitar or two in my day and-quite frankly-most are worth, in todays market, a LOT more than I paid for them. Only thing is that I'm not looking to sell most of them, not even close! Anyway, the price of admission is constantly increasing, especially on the highly desireable models (2617, 2619, AR500 etc)but there are still great deals to be had on the lessor models AR30, AR50, AR100, all Concert series, PF series etc.}   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 1:19 pm:    Not to mention the ST series.   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 8:09 pm:    Well..... what can I say. The one model guitar I've always wanted is gone. Anyone here claim the prize? Just to answer some of the comments here on this thread, even though I have a number of guitars, I don't see myself as a collector. I'm more an enthusiast. I do have two minature fox terriers for protection, though. What's the difference? Well, collectors do tend to trade a lot, always hoping to end up with something better. Not that I'm slanging anyone here, I think that people like Harry and Hasy are doing a terrific job preserving details that might otherwise be lost, and sharing those details. Myself, I have guitars that I have played for many years that now sit in the back of the wardrobe, but how do you part with a faithful friend of over 20 years. Price? Well, I suppose that everyone has a limit. But, when you discuss rising prices, think about what you buoght 25 years ago in relation to wages. Back then I paid $300 for an SG, and that was about a weeks wage. Today, that is about 8 to 10 that amount. In the early 80's, I would gladly have paid $300 for a Scruggs, so $2600 for this one seems a reasonable price to pay. Perhaps one day Ibanez will have the values we see in older Gibsons and Fenders, but for the moment thats a bit like comparing a Mustang to a Toyota Corolla. Whether your a player, enthusiast or collector, the market is always going to be governed by supply vs demand, and as more come to appreciate these fine guitars.....well you can see what will happen. I just missed this one, but if I keep saving, there will be others. Tom.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 8:12 pm:    Hmmm, I can't remember the last time I picked up a cheap Ibanez. Must have been at least 15 years ago and that was a brownburst 2617 that had mostly unoriginal parts. As a general rule, I have always paid more or less what they are worth "at that particular time" but there may come a time when I will stop looking that's all. I stopped looking for old Fenders and Gibsons 10 years ago because most of the good stuff had gone and in England there was just crap coming out the woodwork. It wasn't worth the money to put it right. Some guitars I bought for the bits and I'm glad I did because I restored some better ones and enjoyed them a lot. Look at Fender and Gibson on ebay right now, Most of it is garbage. Re-fin this, non-original that. Look at todays post by Emilio "PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICIT". Would any of you buy that right now and fix it up? If you don't crave the model then I bet no simply because it isn't worth it. But in 10 years time it might be. P.S. Who said anything about picking on Orval, Harry and Hassy? Read the post again and you will see what total respect I have for these guys. At the moment you are totally missing the point mate. Anyway, Dave you were spot on as the Scruggs sold for $1860. six (still ranting and bored with it so can someone else have a go...please )   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 6:22 am:    Hi All! Didn't felt "picked on" at all! See, we all enjoy Ibanez in our own way, as a player or as a collector. And since this is a collector's board in the first place I think nobody ever should have the right to judge about "them damned collecors who just drive the prices sky-high". Us collectors have our maximum too, you know. Speaking for myself: I mostly set a maximum bid before auction end, well-thought about what the axe would be worth to me. If I have it for that price: Juhuuuu!!!! If not: pity, there will come a next time. Besides: collectors are humans too. If you've read the article in this month's Guitar Buyer magazine, you'll find out that when push comes to shove in fact I don't give a s**t about my collection, when other REALLY important things in life are at steak. Six, no hard feelings!!!! I understood what you were meaning to say. Kind greetz, Harry   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 1:31 pm:    Gentlemen... I want to be clear about something... I was expressing my opinion on why I thought the axe would go for $2500, I wasn't saying that I LIKED my reasoning, I actually dislike my reasoning (stated above)and yet.... I still thought it was (unfortunatley) legitimate reasoning. And... in case no one's noticed, the days of getting these incredible "vintage" Ibanez guitars at a decent price are nearly over, with the occassional exception of finding someone who owns one, is willing to sell one, but has no idea that "lunatics" like us are willing to pay whatever the price is that they should happen to ask. What cushions our lunacy is the BIG FACT that these guitars pretty much happen to be worth the money when you figure in sound, playability, aesthetics of these guitars. Without referring to an old thread, I maight add, it's US (you and me) driving up these prices (unnecessarily.) In the end, if we are happy with our purchase, at whatever price we pay, then all is well. It's just the nature of the beast that someone can drop $2500 on an ar500 and I can only afford to drop apprx. $1200. That will never change. The "money-is-no-object" buyers are perfectly within their rights to dump big bucks on old Ibanez guitars, thus kicking the "value" up on future guitars offered. No way around it. There ARE things we can do to help avoid the problems discussed here, but like I said, that was in another thread. I am personally very happy for the guys who can dump whatever $$$ they have on these guitars and obtain them. Congrats to those who fall into that category. All I ask is that you post photos of your treasures so that I may drool and wish that someday... I hit the lottery.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 7:26 pm:    Thanks Harry, Having read Paul's article several times I had a slight advantage in knowing you wouldn't be miffed at my comments. Not everyone else here has had the pleasure so no hard feeling all around. We're just chatting. six   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 8:12 pm:    Six and Bob...You guys just have a knack for pushing my buttons...Why do you assume that the escalating prices on Ibanez guitars is due to some sort of stupidity on the collectors part? Bob seems to think that if we all get together and never bid on an auction until the last nano second, everyone would own the guitar of their dreams for $10 or so.....Six just seems pissed off that he didnt keep the good deals he got in the past ...all in all the both of you dont seem comfortable in a free market system. The prices of these guitars is totally dependant on demand-and not all of that demand is driven by the members of this BB ! Bob seem concerned that somehow the members of this board are "kicking up the value" of Ibanez guitars and that somehow thats bad...I just don't get it...I have a couple of $ invested in these instruments and, quite frankly, it pleases me that they are appreciating the way they are...I would still covet my Ibanez (especially the Agents !) even if the bottom fell out of the market.. Six, don't assume that collectors with multiple guitars are just posers and don't get to enjoy their gits. I'm on my way now to an "over the hill" blues jam with no less than 12 guitars to play and share with the other old farts. These ole gits are getting plenty of play time and enjoyment by both players and , yes, even their teenage kids !... Lets play nice and not get to touchy when a "good one" gets away, afterall the person that won it just wanted it more than you (and me !)...   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 10:06 pm:    I don't need a lecture on the definition of supply and demand and no one is assuming there is any stupidity on the collectors part Dave. Both you and I collect so, are we stupid? I gig my guitars, amps and pedals too so what's different there? Take your own line of work. A particular suitcase may have sold for $200 three years ago. Now it’s $300. Are you crying about the $100? I doubt it. Look how much I sold my Brownburst Atrwood Twin for in 1997. About 700 quid. That’s around $1100. I advertised it for weeks and nobody wanted it. Where was ebay then? Where was this forum? Yeah, if I still had it someone here would be inetersted in buying it. Yeah, I could make a killing. So what? When I sold my house in the UK to move to Australia I made a killing. So what? So why should I be "pissed" at all about "the good deals I had" when I still have good deals sitting in guitar cases. six   Brentm Username: Brentm Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 10:41 pm:    Man, this thread has spun right out of control. My head is spinning between Bob's eBay Economics, to the Six//Dave Supply & Demand economics. I just hope things don't get TOO narrow. And although I'll disagree with the term 'lessor' (from Dave's post), there are many other vintage Ibanez guitars that can still be had at bargain prices.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:03 am:    Dave, I actually agree with you 100% (believe it or not, I do.) I'm glad they are escalating in value, I'm glad that the guys that can afford them have them, I'm glad when every once in a while, I find a "bargain." They're just neat guitars, woth the money and eventually, everyone here can find and acquire what they want. Best of luck to everyone, some of the fun is in the hunt.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:41 am:    P.S. - what's the story with the guitar that started this thread? I received a "second chance offer" from the seller, that usually means there was a problem with the winning bidder not paying or something. I have a feeling this 2nd chance offer may be a scam. Anyone else get this offer... that bid?   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:57 am:    Bob, those offers are usually a scam, don't bid unless your sure the offer is from the original seller-a sure tippoff is when they insist on cash or Western Union for payment. This seller looks like a business-perhaps a phone call is in order   Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 10:06 am:    I got even 2 from 2 diff guys, what I do is ask them a stupid question like "is the guitar compatible with GF module specs?",so that they spend 100 hours searching the net for nothing,they never reply ...   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 11:24 am:    Dave.... the ones I got are definitely a scam.   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 12:09 pm:    Guys: You should turn the scam emails over to ebay. If the messages came thru the ebay mail system and the username is different than the seller's, that means that someone's account has been hacked and it needs to be taken care of by ebay.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 12:47 pm:    One more note on EBay scams.... like the 2nd chance scams I got today... a word of advice.... I believe that if you get a "true" contact from Ebay or an EBay member, it will be in your "my messages" area on the EBay homesite itself and you can 100% trust e-mails in there. So... if you get an e-mail, to your personal e-mail account and it does not simultaneously register in your "EBay - MY Messages" account, then it's a scam. Only trust what shows up on EBay itseld, in "my messages" and I think... you will always be fine if you do that. Of all the bad things I could say about EBay, the scenario I just indicated is actually a good/useful thing that EBay set up a while ago. That's how I determined my "second chance offers" were actually a scam. They only went to my personal e-mail and did not appear as legitimate contacts through Ebay.   Roadartstar Username: Roadartstar Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 1:09 pm:    Bob this is very useful and i agree 100% with you if it doesnt register thru ebay mail and only on your personal email than is a phishing Scam good advice! Ralph   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 2:08 pm:    Sorry to burst your "protective bubble" guys. But the scenario I mentioned, hacking a legitimate user account to send fraudulent second chance offers, is designed to look exacty like a real offer BECAUSE it also comes thru the ebay message system. The tip off is that they want you to contact them OUTSIDE of the ebay messaging system to finish the deal.   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 9:46 pm:    Bob, I also got a 2nd chance offer on this guitar. I'm beginning to think that information for this scam may have originated from ICW and not taken from ebay. Bobbyt or bobby_t3ds@yahoo.com may have been taking an interest in this thread.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 7:59 am:    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....   Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 9:57 am:    check out the copy of the mail I recived after my inquiry for the 2cond chance... it's compatible!!!,read my mail first(2cond below ) and then the response.. cheers emilio Hi, ok, the total price for my item is $ 1,636.00 so if you are still interested, please confirm me your name and address and in few moments after your reply, I will contact eBay in order to send you the invoice with the details about this transaction. thanks and I will be waiting for your reply. Nathaniel PS: is compatible with DC8! emil fontan <emifon@hotmail.com> wrote: great! let me know how you like to proceed. One question, is the guitar grelid compatible with DC8, or I will have to get another grelid. cheers emi   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 10:26 am:    Emilio!! You idiot!!! DC8 is web-speak code for "would you like a date?" Let us know how it works out! ;O)   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 11:53 am:    Well t would seem everyone here has had a 2nd chance offer (or 2 in my case) and yet the second highest bidder hasn't received any such offers. The latest from N S aka sellerspeer@yahoo.com is also watching this thread.   Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:43 pm:    I got a total of 3 2cond chances..... I will make sure that the DC8 one is localy picked up ,after Strings tip.....

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