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Author Message   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 3:58 pm:    I am looking for a clean example of an MC 400 NT. Unless you live in the Philly area and have one that has alot of dings just below the neck (which may have been mine at one time -I would pay a real premium to get mine back)!!   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 9:44 am:    Monthly bump!!   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 8:56 am:    BTW, here is an email: mitchlampert@hotmail.com   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 1:17 pm:    Another monthly bump!   Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 6:12 am:    too late! he finish it earlier Ebay Item #130158753931   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 8:49 am:    I check ebay every day! How did I miss that?   Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 1:44 pm:    yeah ,I was also surprised, because there are some questions from american bidders,I thought it was you..... next time better cheers emilio (who had a MC300,who sold it and who regrets it,a lot..)   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 4:37 pm:    I think I found one. I don't really want to give up too many details but I'm sure most anyone looking knows about what I found.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 5:22 pm:    Beautiful! I LOVE the neck wood. Really seems to glow nicely. Did the MC400's come with aluminum cases, or did you have to pay extra to get one?   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 6:48 pm:    Back in 1979, mine came with an aluminum case, but it was another $100. The guitar itself was $500. (And, the horror, $250 of that was offset by my trade-in: a 2387 Korina.)   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 7:40 pm:    Finally   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 8:27 am:    The seller claimed he had the OHSC so I will find out soon. I'm sure I overpaid but I was on a quest. I can't wait to play it!   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 8:49 am:    I'm sure some people think I overpaid for the bass I just bought, but it was the bass I wanted, in excellent plus condition, so I got it. It is what it is, as Bobzilla would say. something about the value being something...How does it go Bob? He's got a good way of putting it. Anyways, you can't really overpay in my book if the price is what you can/are willing to pay. Now, if you're in the used guitar business, and you have to turn around and make a profit to stay in business, well, then you MUSTN't overpay if you hope to resell it! I intend on playing my bass, and hopefully it will appreciate by the time i sell it, if indeed I ever do.   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:25 am:    I agree. Although, it is us romantic collectors that are driving up prices for the investors here. I'm sure my estate will lose money on all my guitars. I don't intend on selling any of my prized guitars which hopefully, this 400 will become.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 8:50 am:    Well, if it doesn't (become a prized guitar, I mean), you know where I am!   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:50 am:    Being the owner of both an MC400NT and an MC900NT, I congratulate you both on your acquisitions and welcome you to the club! They are completely fabulous guitars. The Musician family deserves its rightful place alongside the Artist family. I know we have a lot of rabid Artist fans on ICW, but it's good to know there are a bunch of Musician freaks around as well. -Chuck   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:36 pm:    I've got an MC400DS, and an MC900DS. I guess it's true, some people like dark meat, and others like white meat! It applies to guitars as well as chickens.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:58 pm:    They aren't at the top of my list, but a DS 400 and 900 to go with the NT's would be great to have.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:23 pm:    The twins: -Chuck   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 6:38 am:    Great looking blondies Chuck!   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 6:42 am:    Here's your MC400's twin.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 1:49 pm:    My MC400's serial is D783502.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 8:49 pm:    Whoa pretty close: D789498   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 10:05 pm:    Hmmmm. It seems only the first two digits are any where near each other to me.......?   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 3:15 pm:    Both made in April of 78 is close enough for me. True, the last four digits are a few thousand apart, but sharing the month is more important.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 5:49 pm:    It is cool that they were made in the same month. April is a cool month, too.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 5:52 pm:    Does that mean they made 5000 guitars that month? That's 200 guitars a day, assuming they take one day a week off. 5000 divided by 25 is 200. That's a lot of guitars in one day.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 6:33 pm:    Pretty cool indeed Chuck!   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 11:08 am:    I love the blonde top to my guitar too. I've seen the NTs with the dark stain headstock, but it looks like a mismatch. My NT bass has the dark top and I wish it was blonde.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 12:11 pm:    I hear you. I think another cool difference is the pearl lettering on the blond headstock. The dark ones I've seen don't have that. I really love the look of the dark on blond. Now that Mitch is "in shape" I think I'm gonna put the full court press on.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 12:12 pm:    Well, that just means your NT is not a natural blonde.   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 1:06 pm:    Grateful, thanks so much for not outbidding me. Hopefully this will end the search for me with an awesome axe! As for not having a natural blonde, I like 'em kind of dirty!   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 2:30 pm:    No worries Mitch. Dude, you were jonesin'. I'm glad you're right now. Natural / Unnatural I don't know. All I know is, "If you get confused listen to the music play"   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:09 pm:    image{jerry}   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:10 pm:    oops, I still hate doing these.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:44 pm:    Love that shot.   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 7:29 am:    Well it came yesterday! It is in very good condition. Of course, it has the corroded bridge - a sign that it was played by sweaty hands. But it feels as though it has sat for about 20 years after that. The frets have an oxidative coating. What is the best/easiest way to clean them off?   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 7:32 am:    BTW, what's the extra knob for on Jerry's axe?   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 8:00 am:    You could tape off the fretboard and the pickups and use quadruple ott steel wool, but the steel wool particles go everywhere. I use Mother's Mag Aluminum Polish from Pep Boys, or some auto parts/detailing supplies store. Put just a touch on a cotton cloth, like an old tee shirt, tape off the fretboard, and polish away! Makes Stainless Steel frets shine like mirrors! After you polish them, go over them with a dry portion of the cloth to remove the residue. DON"T use it on ANY of the gold parts!!! They will no longer be gold if you do. Remove the tape and finish the fretboard with Lemon oil, the kind you get at the guitar store, not furniture polish. Furniture polish leaves wax buildup and crap on it. Don't use Linseed oil either. It stinks, leaves the fretboard gunky, is toxic, and makes your fretboard look dirtier faster. I hate the stuff, refuse to use it! Plus, when you play your guitar afterwards, it makes your fingers stink!   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 8:03 am:    My MC900 bass arrived yesterday! Thing is NICE! It looks like all it did was literally sit in it's case. The bridge is not even slightly corroded, the finish is still shiny, the chrome plate still has the writing on it in DARK INK, not fading out ANYWHERE, and it still has the Made In Japan sticker on the back of the neck. I don't think it was put on there by the seller, based on how good everything else looks. It looks like it literally just left the factory. Sounds great too, although it has flatwound string on it, which I don't like. I'm going to restring it with rounwounds and see how it is.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:35 am:    Mitch, Guitar, congratulations! And thanks for the tips on fret polishing. My MC400 could use it, as well as a new set of strings, for that matter.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:14 am:    I'd like to know what that knob is as well.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 12:03 pm:    "Don't use Linseed oil either. It stinks, leaves the fretboard gunky, is toxic, and makes your fretboard look dirtier faster. I hate the stuff, refuse to use it! Plus, when you play your guitar afterwards, it makes your fingers stink!" This BS again Raw linseed oil is not toxic. And you don't drink it anyway. Lemon oil is toxic if you drink it. It seems this is eternal question and some people try to put the simple and cheap linseed oil down. Somebody even wrote on a web site that Dan Erlewine uses boiled linseed oil while he writes in his book that raw linseed oil is best for ebony and rosewood fretboards. "... Many say that linseed oil stays on the fretboard and frets, remains sticky and never dries. I don't understand that - they're doing something wrong. I have used the same can of linseed oil for 30 years - it is still good, and still works its magic. This oil penetrates well into the wood and if remowed quickly and thoroughly, feels dry to the touch. ... " Juha   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 12:25 pm:    Anyvay Congratulations to the new owners of old guitar and bass! Juha   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 3:10 pm:    Chuck, How are those wall hangers? You need to find a stud, right?   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 3:13 pm:    No, you don't need a stud, because they have sheetrock anchors. They go in pretty firmly and hold the guitar well. I don't have any that are pulling away from the wall. Of course, if I can find a stud, I'll use it for added protection. But studs are spaced 16" on center, which I find to be too close together to hang the guitars (they look crowded). In my living room, it has a vaulted ceiling and there is actually plywood under the sheetrock, so all the guitars in that room (9 currently) are anchored into wood.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 3:21 pm:    Hold on... You have plywood behind the sheet rock? You are my hero! Great planning!   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 3:49 pm:    It's just how the house was built. We bought the house (or, signed for it, anyway) before construction started, and we would visit it every couple of weeks. It was great to walk through it as a shell before the drywall went up, because you could see where the pipes were, etc. The living room vaulted ceiling wall is loadbearing and was reinforced from top to bottom, hence the plywood over the studs. I had nothing to do with the design, but appreciate that it's there. Nice and sturdy, for sure.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 4:59 pm:    It's not BS. Boiled linseed oil, which you get at Home Depot, comes in a metal can, is flammable, and toxic. The label states that clearly. I'm sorry if that offends you. Maybe you should read the label . Anyways, I have nothing against raw linseed oil. When most people mention linseed oil, they're talking about the boiled kind. I know several repairman around here who use the stuff, and by the time the guitar comes across my bench, the fretboards are gunky, and the people want ME to clean it off 'cuz their fretboards are disgusting and smelly. I have a guitar that I've been playing for over a year now, the fretboard is clean, I used lemon oil. I like Erlewine, he knows his stuff. I'm glad he doesn't use BOILED linseed oil.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 5:40 pm:    Whisperer, you wrote: "Don't use Linseed oil either. ..." If somebody uses boiled linseed oil in a wrong way or better say for a wrong purpose, it doesn't mean all kind of linseed oil is bad for guitars. Boiled linseed oil is intended to use as paint or preserving stuff for garden furniture and such like not as lubricating oil for dry fretboard. What comes to raw linseed oil you have to know how to use it. Juha   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 6:24 pm:    Raw linseed oil has many health benefits. That's why I feed it to my dog, his fur is shinier, and he seems to have more energy. Hopefully it helps with his skin tumors. He's a golden retriever, very cute. Boiled linseed oil is poisonous, flammable, and residuous, that's all I'm saying. Most people when they say linseed oil, they mean the boiled kind. Boiled linseed oils stinks, and gunks up fretboards. I'm switching to mineral oil anyway, I think it's less offensive.   Jcmc64 Username: Jcmc64 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 7:38 pm:    GW...how's Brasso for polishing the frets?   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 8:20 pm:    Frets are actually brass, believe it or not! They mix nickel into the alloy in different percentages to make it harder. In guitar use, the common percentages are 12% or 18%, 18% nickel-silver being the hardest. That's why they call it nickel-silver, 'cuz the nickel makes 'em silver. However, I would not use brasso on frets. I like the Mothers because it takes just a teeny tiny bit to polish the frets, and there's less chance of it getting on the fretboard, and it's not a pure liquid, so it wouldn't soak in. I use so little on my polishing cloth, that you'd almost think it wasn't there. I've seen some repairman use Jeweler's rouge. Plus brasso seems to be purely chemical in nature, while the mothers seems to be a fine abrasive mix, as well as a mild chemical formulation. Mother's formula is secret, so I'm not absolutely sure what's in it. Brasso has a lot of fumes, seems reallyt harsh to me. I'd hate for that to soak into the wood.   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 7:49 am:    Linseed oil wouldn't have a "fishy" odor? One of my guitars smells a little fishy. I love the guitar though and would like to get rid of the smell. Any suggestions? BTW, I am having a small problem with the 400. It seems to keep breaking the high E string at the nut. I don't see anything but haven't looked with a magnifying lens yet. I'll probably just take to the local luthier.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 5:44 pm:    Sometimes when the plastic parts like the binding or the pickguards deteriorate, they can smell fishy, or it could be the fretboard.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 5:33 pm:    Pay attention: Ebay Item #300160520401 mk   Cleversj Username: Cleversj Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 12:52 am:    Mike, Is this your eBay sale? JAck   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 7:38 pm:    no   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 7:48 pm:    You guys in shape? I may have a run at this if it doesn't get too crazy next week. Too bad there's so much early interest.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 8:40 pm:    I'm not bidding for it.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 11:20 pm:    I'm tapped out for at least 3 months.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 12:29 am:    Cleaned up my MC400 a couple days ago. Here's a nice couple shots of the body: -Chuck   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 7:02 am:    Chuck. That's as sweet as they get. Thanks for putting the pix up.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:15 am:    Chuck, Fretboard looks dirty. How are you going to clean and oil it? Juha   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:21 am:    Actually, I have Fender fretboard cleaner and oil and had already used it before I took those pictures. Maybe the direct sunlight I took the picture in makes it look dirtier. The cleaner smells like acetone (nail polish remover) and I don't know what the oil is. I didn't put a whole lot of oil on. Up close (and not in the sun) the fretboard looks pretty nice now. It's the first time it was ever cleaned.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:25 am:    And here's a spooky twist. You know how I thought my serial number was D783502 while yours is D789498, Grateful? And we wondered how they could be 6,000 apart when they were made in the same month? Well, on closer inspection, mine is D789502, which puts us just 4 apart on the production line. They literally could have been on the same workbench at the same time! They truly are sisters.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:15 am:    Get the %^&** out of here!!!! That's so cool. After all these years! Chuck, I'm not sure exactly why but that blows me away!   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:23 am:      Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:30 am:    Are the neck woods the same shades? They may even have been cut from the same neck blanks!   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:34 am:    I'll post more detailed photos when I get home tonight.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:14 am:    Here's the serial from my MC400NT: Verified as just 4 away from Grateful's. -Chuck   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 7:10 am:    S I C K   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 2:18 pm:    The lucky Brits have a pretty gal to consider. Ebay Item #220160840007   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 4:39 pm:    I have the same exact '81 MC550NW. I need to check my serial number... Get it if you can! mk   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:39 am:    Why just the Brits? You can bid on it.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 9:07 am:    Mitch, I think you know what I'm looking for.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 10:01 pm:    Hi Guys, I finally found my filthy haired blondie. I submit for your approval.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 10:05 pm:    Hi Guys, I finally found a filthy haired blondie. I submit for your approval.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 10:23 am:    Wow. Nice. The hardware looks to be in particularly good shape! Congrats.   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 10:30 am:    Thanks very much Chuck. What a pair!   Mitch236 Username: Mitch236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 12:53 pm:    WOW! That looks great! Congrats. The bridge looks especially good. That seems to be the weak point for hardware. Even my original started to erode within the first few months.   Trisound Username: Trisound Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:19 pm:    Grateful66: Nice score!! Wow. Those pics are great. With the flight case too. Congrats and enjoy!!   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:50 pm:    Thanks guys. It's a crazy love scene. I'm grateful for you approval.

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