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Author Message   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 12:03 am:    I have AM50. Looking for AS50. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:37 pm:    AM50 sold! Looking for nice AS50! mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:23 am:    AM50 not sold - buyer backed out. mk   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:08 pm:    Where did you offer it? On Ebay.de or Ebay.com? Did you try the ICW Free Classifieds already?   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:11 pm:    Oh shoot, this is ICW Free Classifieds! Don't sell it to the Chinese and don't use Paypall!   Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:56 pm:    I'm Chinese and I use PayPal all the time. Ace   Markownly Username: Markownly Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 11:22 am:    I can't and won't speak for anyone but myself, but it's my opinion that Acetan, is due an appolgy here. Mark   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 3:12 pm:    Ginger's comments were totally uncalled for, obnoxious and offensive.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 8:46 am:    Off course Acetan, My apologies. What I meant is don't sell it to the same people who place Ibanez scams on ebay and use paypall if you sell to people you can never reach in person. That goes for all people in other continents, Americans and Australians included. And if you were American or Australian it would go for Europeans like myself. They can always say they didn't receive the guitar and get the money back. That's what I read a few days ago. I always pick up guitars myself. I'd rather drive a few hundred kilometres than ending up with a case full of old newspapers and bricks. See it, feel it! The safest way to buy! The scammers of the last weeks proof that old-fashioned ebaying is not safe anymore! And it's a shame that they come from China. I think you mustn't expect too much vintage Ibanez guitars there. They didn't buy capitalist instruments under MAO. But selling is a good possibility if you're sure you get your money. Greetz, Ginger Ale   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:16 am:    You got to remember our beloved Artcores are made there and I think they are doing a great job and will continue to!   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 7:47 pm:    What's got guitar production in 2006 to do with people who sell vintage 70s guitars they don't possess? Or with people who get their money back through the Paypall system because they "didn't receive the guitar"? I'm telling you to be careful, when you do ANY international or even intercontinental transactions. This has NOTHING to do with whether the trading partner is Chinese, a Swede or a Russian, it has to do with how far they are away, and with what law protects you, when they are not that honest. My relations with Chinese people in Holland go a bit further and deeper than buying the products of underpaid good craftsmen. (I eat in their kitchen instead of in the restaurant). Although I advised to buy a Blueridge acoustic guitar instead of a vintage Ibanez on an Ibanez Acoustics thread. You don't have to explain today's quality of Chinese guitarmaking to me. Question is, how many guitar factories in the USA, Europe, Japan and Korea will survive if this continues? I read Fuji Gen Gakki already stopped producing guitars. The multinationals are using the Chinese and Indian people for cheap labour and leave the old craftsmen who built up their companies on the dole! And oil consumption in these cheap labour countries is going up like a rocket, and in the mean time these multinationals are still producing more cars with conventional combustion engines! I see so little real innovation... they're just copying our industrial revolution on another location... The examples of people of these countries who belong to the NEW ECONOMY we saw on ICW (I'm referring to Chinese scammers on Ebay) won't bring the innovation we're looking for. They're going for only one thing: fast money! Wrong philosophy! A misuse of their intelligence and of our collector's greed! Can't say it enough! Careful out there!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:11 am:    BLA BLA   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:31 am:    This was bla: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140005812003 And so is this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170007401646&ssPageName=MERCO SI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores BUT THIS WAS DEFINITELY NOT: Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:00 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D140005812003 Astronomical shipping costs. I asked the seller to send more pictures and if it included a case. Here was the response: Hi friend: you are a good buyer. I of course can end the listing early for you.just waiting for your bidding. I am very glad to do business with you. By the way,it will come to you with a case. don't worry, Look forward to your reply. [...] I've asked him again to send pictures and if it can be picked up locally. I suspect the answer will be 'no' to both questions. mk Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:24 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the big clues here are: Starting bid: GBP 0.79 (Approximately US $1.46) AND Item location: beijing, China ...not to mention the headstock being cropped out of all of the pix. JC Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 02:44 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comon Mike, that's a no brainer...steer clear. Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 04:35 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't worry... btw...he says he'll send pictures tomorrow.... Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 05:49 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great can't wait to see them...Tell him to hold up a current paper or something official that has a date on it in the pic. Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 12:51 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you think this is a scam, or maybe the next round of clones to come out of China. We're already seeing Gibson clones selling locally here for around $300. What's to stop the Chinese from producing vintage Ibanez clones. Rather than just seeing 45 re-issue Artwoods, we may see 4500 clones. Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 02:52 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's definitely a scam. Follow the link below and you will know what the additional pictures the "seller" promised to send will look like... Juergen Here's a link to the original auction: http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7421193745 Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 03:27 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good eye Yogi.. looks to be the same one. Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 11:10 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well snowjays...you were kinda right... Dear friend Now in the item didn't before end, I can't say what, but if you purchase my item, I can send out for you, you will not say I am a burglar when the time comes It is manufacturing in China, to!It is an imitation, you can see the price of a real Ibanez 2681 Bob Weir Its quality absolute superiority! Ask talk an attention to order! Thanks Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 03:37 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is FRIGHTENING to me. Very. Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 04:22 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Or - you pay the seller and get nothing! Did you see the $313 shipping costs??? Even if you win the auction for $37, you'd still lose $350! Personally, I doubt the guitar even exists...that's a lot of work with the inlay. Do they copy the pickup covers too? Do they have pictures to send? If you ask me, it's a total scam - not even an imitation. mk Emilio Username: Emilio Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 07:15 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chineese have destroyed ebay uk ,filling it with 1000 of adds of bullshit, they should be banned, it's like spam, or worst Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 08:11 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These days, there is no substitute for experience when it comes to ebaying. I think most of us here can spot a Chinese scam but ask if you are not sure. I feel sorry for the less experienced person who buys even the smallest inexpensive item let alone a bogus guitar. Bottom line is that these guys must think the rest of the world is plain stupid. Maybe that's what they teach them at school. six Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 09:14 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What bothers me the most is the deception...pawning something off like it was the "real deal". I have no problems with copys...just don't claim it's the real macoy. Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 11:52 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I contacted the 2 people that bid on the auction. They both retracted their bids. I think I did the right thing. mk Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 07:36 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What bothers me is that Ebay is allowing this to continue still expecting loyal customers to bring such matters to their attention. With the number of scams on Ebay at the moment, pretty soon they won't have any loyal customers left. Jimmys Username: Jimmys Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 09:45 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wrote to eBay about it a while back and they said that there wasn't much they could do as essentially they are just providing the vehicle for the public to buy and sell things. Pretty poor response. The seller of the Weir has 0 feedback so that should send the alarm bells off a bit. The seller of the auction that I wrote to eBay about had really dodgy feedback (all symbols, no meaningful text) and all within the last week of the auction or so. It was for a Gibson Les Paul in China, of course. I am sure that they could tighten the processes to reduce these bogus listings if they really wanted to, but it would cost in terms of development effort to automate things. Markl Username: Markl Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:15 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good God!....I don't even bother to look at anything that says 'From China'....One way or another you will be ripped off, either with a fake instrument or no instrument at all.....Best just to ignore these auctions & make as many people aware of them, so they can steer clear too...! There are far too many rip off artists out there - fortunately you can normally spot them a mile off!...keep your wits about you guys! MarkL Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:08 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here we go again... http://www.qksrv.net/click-1802666-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D170007401646 Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 09:03 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Markl, No, I don't look at stuff from China either. Problem is that all this gear is showing up on Ebay as a local item until you read the ad, which says the item will be despatched from Hong Kong. When there are sereval hundred ads like this, How do you avoid them? I think Ebay really needs to clean up its act rather than just collecting revenue. To add to this, there's the problem of bogus 2nd chance offers just about everyones had by now. People who manage Ebay should be getting worried. Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 09:44 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..I don't think they are overly worried about it, like you said..it's all $$ in their pocket. Sorry reality for the real world today...as mega corporations rarely side with the average consumer. Tigerstripe Username: Tigerstripe Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 09:48 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes -its happening with all brands of guitars... I tried to contact somebody who won/paid 400.00 for a fake autograph but ebay doesnt allow you to contact other bidders once the auction is over...The scammers are also now hijacking usa accounts and bidding at the last second and tehn ask you to send item to their daughter in AFRICA etc.Happens with craigslist also.Basically you have to deal with no 3rd world country people. Ebay is getting overrun by these people.It could drive away alot of business.I know about 98% or more of the autographs on ebay are fake and bringing in big bucks...It sucks. Markl Username: Markl Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 07:30 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tigerstripe...You are right....I sold my daughters old mobile phone a month or 2 back for £25.00...the winning bidder had no feedback & had joined e-bay the day before the auction ended..!!!!....so I was pretty sure I'd wasted my time on that....the following day I got an e-mail from the 'winner'...obviously african....asking me to send the phone straight away to their uncle in Nigeria as it was a present, and that they were so pleased with winning such a great item that they would send me £250.00!!!!!!!! Naturally I sent the phone straight away & received my £250.00 the next day.......Not! I actually relisted it & sold it for more the second time around!.. There are thousands of people who seem to fall for these scams, & I really can't understand how they could be so gullible.... On e-bay now when selling I stipulate no bidders without feedback & sell to my home country(UK) only...It restricts you admittedly, but does stop a lot of time wasters & scammers...I really don't know the answer, but a little bit of common sense goes a long long way! Snowjays...where are you based...on the UK site, the line on the main page on your ebay search usually says 'From China'.... so you can weed them out before bothering to look too closely.... It is such a shame that there is this problem, which can spoil the fun of buying & selling on e-bay...but follow a few rules & I think it can be pretty safe.... If anyone is interested I have an AR300 that I bought from new in 1978..I would like to post a few pics for you all to see & tell me what you think...It is in pretty good condition, but has a couple of marks, that maybe someone can advise me the best way to get it back to it's best!... It is a great guitar, weighs a ton & I would never sell it, but thought I might share with you all..... All the best MarkL AND NEITHER WAS THIS: Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 11:51 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's an interesting one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11843&item=4370263346&rd= 1 Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 03:04 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah...watch out for this guy. For quite some time, once a month, he posts 2 Ibanez auctions, one for an AR-3000 and an Andy Timmons(?). Never an actual picture of the guitar and he has no feedback. He's definitely a scammer. The auctions are subsequently removed...watch out! Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 03:33 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks like it was removed quickly! Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 07:29 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The scammer is at it again... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11843&item=4370870140&rd= 1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11843&item=4370870131&rd= 1 Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 08:16 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This dude has 15 pages of musical instruments all starting at a 1 dollar bid. They removed quite a bit already! BEWARE It's just a lot of text.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 7:16 am:    ginger I was on last night searching for Ibanez(surprise say the wife) guitars and found so many of these I got disgusted and signed out of ebay. The Bla was refering to your never ending posts like the last one.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:53 pm:    Like I said 'a lot of text', because I tried to be short for once, because a lot I wrote this weekend had disappeared due to the problem at the ICW host. Short remarks about "the Chinese" are always over-simplified. "The Chinese" don't exist. But you know from your own experience who I mean, and who I don't. Do you have a good alternative for Ebay? National ad sites and the ICW Free Classifieds I guess... People you trust... Ginger (Trying to keep it short without stepping on ten billion toes, and that's a lot of toes... though... o my God, there I go again...)   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:13 pm:    Ebay as far as I know has the most availabe ibanez stuff! Maybe "instrument exchange" once in a while has some! You know I really used to enjoy searching for guitars until those thieveing bastards started. I think out of 745 items found under Ibanez last night there were at least 175 fake auctions. Some of them did'nt have Ibanez anywhere in the discription but still came up in the search. Go figure!

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