Japanese classic Ibanez guitar model ...

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Author Message   Send2kristina Username: Send2kristina Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 7:43 pm:    Hello people, I have an old Ibanez acoustic guitar made in Japan (model number 323) I have absolutely no clue of how old my guitar is. My grandfather owned this guitar when he was in his teens (as I am told) and he is 82 year old now. I have searched in vain trying to find any info about it. Please help!! http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/send2krist ina/07_04_7.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/send2krist ina/07_04_13.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/send2krist ina/07_04_3.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/send2krist ina/07_04_17.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/send2krist ina/07_04_15.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/send2krist ina/07_04_11.jpg   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 9:30 pm:    Hi Kristina, (saw your post on Ibanez.com, nice to see you here) That's a lovely old classical guitar you're grandfather gave you. I've only once before seen the carved brace that you've got running down the center of the back. Very cool. That looks like the 1960's-era label to me, and perhaps this is a flamenco-style guitar. We've seen several with the Spanish words on them. I hope someone else has more detailed info for you. Are you planning to sell this beauty?   Send2kristina Username: Send2kristina Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:15 pm:    I am not planning to sell my guitar becuause it is my first guitar and I believe that the first guitar should never be sold, not to mention the sentimental value of it. But this does not make me wonder the market value of a guitar like this today.   Send2kristina Username: Send2kristina Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:20 pm:    how can I identify or what is that diferentiate a classical guitar from a flamenco guitar? (how to identify both , if there is a diference?)   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:37 am:    As long as it doesn't say SALVADOR IBANEZ and it DOES say MADE IN JAPAN, it was NOT imported from Spain. (That was what Hoshino first did until the 1930s.) A flamenco guitar has a reinforced top, and most often a quite large pickguard for the more aggressive technique. Nowadays they are transparent, but they used to be white and they could be quite ugly. The wood of the back and sides is most often Cypresse or Sycamoro, so that's quite blonde. Rosewood is quite rare on a flamenco guitar's body. Ginger   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 9:57 am:    Smart move, Kristina. Definitely keep it!! You should bring this guitar to a luthier to clean it up, check the neck, nut, and bridge, etc., and restring it for you. It's a beauty!   Send2kristina Username: Send2kristina Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 5:21 pm:    Here are some other pictures of the guitar http://picasaweb.google.com/send2c.martinez/Guitar I know it is a beauty and it also has a very sweet sound   Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 6:45 am:    Hey gang, this question has been resolved offline via email today.Thank you Captain Ibanez   Fendouglas Username: Fendouglas Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 9:31 am:    Well are you going to put us out of our misery & tell us the outcome?   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 9:57 am:    Yeah, really, Cap'n... such suspense!!!!! ;-)   Send2kristina Username: Send2kristina Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 6:21 pm:    jajaja here is the email sent... Captain Ibanez wrote: ...lets see if can give you some info.....set the wayback machine for the early 1950's.... The reason you can't find any info on these old Ibanez classicals is due to the fact that there doesn't appear to be any old catalogues around from the late 1940' to early 1950's of Ibanez products. Trust me , I have tried obtain copies. Between the years of the late 1920's to the middle of the Second World War, Ibanez used to import classical guitars from Spain from the Salvador Ibanez factory to Japan, these are identified by a special red , white and blue label in the soundhole. After WW2 had ended, Ibanez began manufacturing in Japan around 1950 and judging by the pictures you have provided , I would estimate that this guitar would have been built between 1950-57. It would be made from a Spruce ply top with Mahogany back and sides, with a Mahogany neck and a Ebonized Rosewood fingerboard and bridge. These materials were commonly used in guitar manufacturing at the time.....and still are today !   Send2kristina Username: Send2kristina Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 6:29 pm:    I am eternaly grateful for the help and information given. This information feels more logical and correct.I always had the feeling I have a special guitar. It would be nice to know if there are any brothers and sisters for my guitar (one with the same model) but I guess that would be hard. Anyway... now I know the basic history (I can almost write a novel about it) of my very first guitar in which I am currently learning and fulling a very old dream an passion of playing guitar. KEEP ON ROCKING!!! THANKS   Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 9:04 pm:    Thank you for the kind words Cristina, glad to be of service This girl is quick, ya Ol' Cappy would love to have a secretary this efficent ..hehe Sorry for those of you who felt ya Ol' Cappy was neglecting you on the results. May the fleas of 1000 camels infest my armpits   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 9:58 pm:    Sorry, but I don't get this... In this Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibanez I find the following contradictions with your estimate of 1950-1957: "The modern era of Ibanez guitars began in 1957 [1]" References 1. ^ Ibanez, The Untold Story by Paul Specht (Michael Wright, Jim Donahue) So, should I interpret this "modern era" as "electric era"? Because based on the same book, the Wiki says: "The Hoshino Gakki company began in 1908 as a musical instrument sales division of the Hoshino Shoten bookstore company. In 1935 they began manufacturing their own stringed instruments. The company had little presence in the Western world until the mid-1960s. They started importing Spanish guitars from the famous Spanish luthier Salvador Ibáñez (1854 - 1920), but when the Spanish workshop was destroyed during the Spanish Civil War (1936 - 1939) and the original guitars became unavailable (and very much sought after because of their excellent quality), they bought the rights of the trademark Ibanez and started making Spanish and acoustic guitars on their own, first as "Ibanez Salvador", and later as "Ibanez" [1]" But the author of the Wiki goes one step further in the wrong direction with his interpretation of this "untold story". He writes: "Ibanez production was started in Japan in 1957 by Hoshino Gakki, but the Ibanez name dates back to 1929 when Hoshino Gakki started importing Salvador Ibanez acoustic guitars into Japan from Spain." and "Ibanez Type Private Founded Nagoya, Japan 1957 Headquarters Japan Key people Hoshino Gakki, founder Industry Musical instruments Products Ibanez Guitars, Amplifiers, Effects Slogan Anything But Traditional. Website www.ibanez.com" Thus missing the whole history of Hoshino Gakki production in Japan from the Spanish civil war until 1957 and putting us on the wrong track, because based on this wrongly interpreted info we tend not to look further back than 1957. BTW, Cappy, were those machineheads indeed made by Van Gent brothers in Ulft, Holland (who have been supplying the Spanish guitar industry for decades, even before Schaller existed)? Gemberbier   Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 5:36 am:    Ginger, buy yourself a copy of Ibanez "The Untold Story"...this will explain my info I supplied to Cristina. Wikipedia is not the answer for everything that is Ibanez ! I'm sorry I dont know who the machine head supplier was at that time Cappy   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 10:44 am:    I'm waiting for the reviewed version. Jim Donahue announced he's going to correct the errors in it. I just bought myself a first edition of Tom Wheeler's "American Guitars", so now I have both early works of his. (very lucky buy, I've seen 1st editions for $75-149 on the web. And "Gibson fabulous flattops". In this case the author of the Wiki QUOTED from the Untold Story, but then threw in some own interpretation into it. I don't know how I would have interpreted "The modern era of Ibanez guitars began in 1957 [1]" References 1. ^ Ibanez, The Untold Story by Paul Specht (Michael Wright, Jim Donahue). But I guess a little more context would have helped to interpret it right. So much for perfectionism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OWzDP5cnE0 Ginger

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