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Author Message JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Anybody have a setneck LP replica. Or where they all bolt-ons? DifStrummer Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    John: I believe the top of the line LP was supposed to be setneck, but I don't believe I have evere seen one. I have a Model 2347 setneck one-pu SG which I figure is around '74. Since I have one of these, I'd assume there have to be a few LPs circulating out there, too. According to Jeff Hasselberger, who was in charge of guitars during those days, any '70s setnecks are pretty rare, because they just didn't sell that many. The Custom Agent LP with the fancy belly inlays shows up once in awhile, but strickly speaking that's not a copy. Also, there were some "Artist Professional" that were setneck LPs, but with ash and German carve, etc., not true LP copies. Michael Wright The Different Strummer John Shanley (Johns) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Michael: Thanks for stopping by. So a setneck LP replica is a rare bird? I am referring to a "dead copy" and not any of the variants, such as the LP Profs, Custom Agents or even the half-vine LPs. Harold Wherry says he's seen several and owns one. Let's hope there's more hiding under somebody's bed or in the back of their closet. Kyle Kruszewski Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Hey, guys. I thought I'd mention my Ibanez LP. It's a '77 Standard Replica w/ a set neck. What can I say? It's absolutely amazing! The thing is virtually in mint condition with absolutely no corrosion on any of the metal parts. The freaky part is, it plays better than any Gibson Standard I've played. Even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter, 'cause this one only cost me $400! It's sad yet very nice for the player that as long as the headstock say "Ibanez," it's not going to be dreadfully expensive. ;) For more info, there's a great site for the Ibanez vintage freak. http://www.chmc.com/~alnico5/ Happy strumming, Kyle John Shanley (Johns) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Kyle: Great to have someone who owns one chime in. Do you have a picture of the guitar? If you can get a JPG of it, we can include it in our forthcoming "Guitar Gallery". Care to add your insight to the "Setneck or Bolt-on Does it make a difference?" thread? Kyle Kruszewski Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Hello again, I'd be glad to send along a few shots of the guitar; once I get some that is. Pretty soon, I'll have my Herc Fede swirl painted RG750 back together, at which point he'll want pictures to add to his site. I was thinking I'd take a few pictures of my other guitars as well. Here's a little bit more about the LP. * Black 1977 Ibanez Les Paul Standard SN# E776870 * Headstock: Old script style Ibanez Logo. Thruss rod cover plate etched with "Standard." Back side has small sticker which reads "Super 70's." * 22 fret, bound, set neck with trapezoid inlays. * Two nickel plated Super 70's humbuckers (PAF copies). * All original with OHSC, lined with a green velvet material. * It weighs almost 12 pounds! I cannot seem to track down the model number of this guitar. Anybody have any info to share? I'd also like to get some input from set neck Ibanez LP players and/or owners on the their feelings of these instruments vs. other copies and Gibsons. Are you guys out there?! }8^) Catch you all later, Kyle JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Kyle: Thanks for all the info on your LP replica. Can't wait to see pictures when you get them. As far as getting info from other setneckers...there's only you and Harold Wherry who have admitted owning them so far. Maybe Harold will jump in with his thoughts. JohnS John Shanley (Johns) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Kyle: You say your LP weighs 12 lbs. That's VERY heavy, isn't it? The heaviest I have at the moment is a '77 Ash Artist. It comes in at ~8.5 lbs. The next heaviest are ~7.5 ('81 AS200 & '85 Artist SE) and the lightest is a '75 Custom Agent at ~6 lbs. I definitely "feel" the Ash Artist in my shoulders after a few minutes. Harold Wherry (Able3) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Set-neck Ibanez Les Paul Copy... I haven't played my LP copy in months. I'll pulg her in tonight and get back to you. Harold Malden Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Plenty of set neck LP's available. I used to have one in cherry red that sounded really great. It was heavy though... sold it 3 years ago for $250. Sniff... Harry Cody Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    In the mid '70s, there was a set neck Ibanez Les Paul that was fairly accurate -- well, as accurate as the "Korina" V, anyway, and more accurate than, say, the Custom Agent. If you have an old catalog, it's # 2386; sort of a flametop Standard with typical-for-that-era-Ibanez metal-covered Zebra pickups,Custom-style block inlays, and (mondo bizarro) a Strat-like comfort-"scoop" on the back of the body. I haven't seen any of these in the US (I grew up in Europe), but if anyone out there has one, let me know how they play ! Plus, Michael Wright, how does the SG Junior play? I assume it's white -- they're too cool ! Harry Silversuzy Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    I've never seen a set-neck Ibanez LP copy either, but (just to add to the commants here) I currently own two Ibanez Deluxe 59'er models: 1) 1977 Ibanez Deluxe 59'er Les Paul copy, bolt-on neck (s/n 770007) Honey sunburst (really gorgeous) Original pickups 2) 1976 Ibanez Deluxe 59'er Les Paul copy, bolt-on neck Honey sunburst (some kind of stripey grained wood underneath, like flame maple) Bridge pickup has been replaced with a DiMarzio Super Distortion both play better than any LP I've ever played, and i work in a music store that deals in a lot of second hand old gibsons and new ones too. The 77 is especially nice. but the DiMarzio that some chump put in sounds dead and cruddy when compared to the stock pickups in the other one. are these stock pickups known for being cool? they are uncovered, but have this metal surround that makes them look like they are all one piece. does anyone know of a pickup that has similar output/sound to these, cos i need to put something decent in here. Challenger Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    My suggestion is a Seymour Duncan JB for ANY humbucker replacement. I LOVE those pickups. As for those DiMarzio Ned Beatty model pickups? Can you say 'fridge magnet?' Kyle Kruszewski Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Anybody have any idea how much a set neck standard listed for (ball park) when new? Just curious. Harold Wherry (Able3) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Kyle, In 1978 the Ibanez model 2651"Deluxe Les Standard" * Carved curly Maple Top with Mahogany body * Neck: Hard laminated maple. Set-In neck. * Fingerboard: Polished ebony with pearloid trapezoid inlays * Pickups: 2-chrome plated Super 70 anti-hum pickups Colors: C/W (Cherry Wine), C/S (Cherry Sunburst), and Black List price $465.00 Regards, Harold evert jepma Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Harold, Do you know when the copies were discontinued? I have seen a 2350 {LP bolt-on} with serial number H 780334, so I would say they did the copies until august 1978 at least. spiro Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    I have 4 Les Paul Copies 1 Gibson Style Headstock With Custom inlay on headstock (you know the the four triangles with the centre block).It is a set neck with no serial number block inlays as in a custom Les paul 7 layers of binding on the body and 5 on the headstock. And has unfortunatley been resprayed becasue of the condition got it in it is Gold all over (not just the top) it looks great.Pretty Heavy guitar. 2 Gibson style Headstock Gibson inlays on head Block inlays and bolt on neck. No serial number Cosmetically all the same as in binding and so on. this one is Black. Weight is light 3 Deluxe 59er in a wine red stain with a flame maple top Bolt on neck serial number H 760567 Pretty heavy as well 4 This one has a Guild type headstock with a Diamond shaped centre inlay and 2 f hole shaped inlays on either side it has a maple fretboard with black block inlays and has a mahogany top and like a coffee coloured stain all over. Made in 1977 With a super 70's sticker on the back of the headstock.. I have never seen one like it if any has could they send me a pic of theirs as I feel that mine is the only one in existence.. I have also had in my posession at one time a left handed cherry sunburst with a horrible top and hardware (scratch plate was bright white) and a set neck with Gibson style headstock.. Also i collect pics of Ibanez LP copies if anyone has any could they email them to me.. Just to prove to the Gibson Nuts out there that The Ibanez copies were just as good if not better than the Gibson counterparts.... Kyle Kruszewski Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Just to play devil's advocate, one thing that I have to complain about some of the LP copies is that some of the solid finishes (black), are not lacquers, but polyester or polyurathane based paints. Gibson would never put such a finish on an LP. Not that I personally care, but a Gibson advocate might just pull that one out. . . ;) Greg Eddins Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Does anybody know where I can buy an Ibanez LP copy from the late '70's...(I think?). A buddy of mine had one in high school, and used to let me play on it...and I want to get one of my own now!...I LOVED that guitar Thanks Greg JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Greg: Bolt-on neck LP copies cpme up on ebay all the time. It's the set-in necks that are much rarer. I've only seen one of those come up in a year's time. Which are you after? Also, put a Want-ad in the Free Classifieds here and on the Ibanez Vintage Page (http://www.comcat.com/~alnico5/sale.html)and on Harmony Central (http://www.harmonycentral.com/Services/#cla) and the Guitar Exchange (http://www.arrowweb.com/gxchange/ads.html) We have an up-coming Guitar Tours subject that is an extremely rare, vintage piece. The current owner found it after placing a Want ad. We also have some really beautiful pictures of a set-in neck LP replica that should be posted soon. Stay tuned. Michael Bowden Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    What a cool board this is. I have had a '77 Ibanez LP, SET NECK since I bought it new. It has been gigged hard. I have an ES335 and a SG but the sweetest playing guitar I've ever played is that "Copy". I put new machine heads on it about 15 years ago. I always thought that was the weakest part. I don't care what it is worth to anyone else since I will never sell. I stopped giging about 7 or 8 years ago but I still have old mates asking me if I want to sell her. The answer will always be no. Included are some photos: http://www.mindspring.com/~michaelbowden/Ibanez.html JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Michael: Thanks for the link to the pictures of "Mellissa". Very nice. Mind if I ask some questions? I bought my first Ibanez in 76, it was an SG, bolt-on. I bought it because it was a very decent guitar and because it looked like my buddy's real SG AND because it was only $135. So what attracted you to the Ibanez in '77 and what factors convinced you to buy it? Considering the relative rarity of setnecks to bolt-on LPs, this must have been a more expensive model, no? You don't happen to remember what it cost back then? Michael Bowden Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    John S, Well the story is quite interesting. I went into a music store in 1977 and played a black Ibanez 59er and fell in love with it. A week later I went back to the same store to buy it and it was gone. Having money in hand, I ordered another right then and there. (Bought it while I had the money since money was tight in those days) I think the 59er was $295.00. Weeks went by and still no guitar. Then one day I walked in and saw the set neck (I fondly refer to as Mellissa). Thinking it was my 59er from a distance I jumped all over the salesman for not calling me to tell me that my guitar was in AND setting it out for sale. He quickly corrected my mistake by showing me the set neck, the inlay and how it played. Since I had waited so long for my 59er to come in (being back ordered every week), he cut me a "deal" on the Set-Neck. $535.95 with hard shell case (Deal???? what did I know). Gave him the money I had and had him put it away. Each week, I'd go in and pay $20 or $30 until I had it paid off and took it home. In those days you could buy a Gibson Custom for about 8 bills. Being 17 years old working for $40/week the $535 was a stretch. I got razzed by my mates for buying a copy. That didn't last long after they played it and/or listened to it. One friend I see every 3 or 4 years always asks if I still have her and what it would take to sell it. He offered his Gibson Glitter Gold LP Deluxe plus $500 once. Other band members and friends have also tried to buy it from me, especially after it became the "Lawsuit" model. Call me crazy but I'd rather sell a kidney. Thanks for your interest. JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Michael: That's a great story. It was pretty nice of the shop owner to hold the guitar and wait for you to get the extra cash. What area of the country are we talking about? The price differential of $240 does explain the rarity of set necks compared to bolt-ons. So are you happy you missed out on the 59er? JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Here's some pictures of Kyle's '77 LP Standard replica which is a setneck. Black is definitely hard to photograph. Here it is from an angle that shows off the headstock. This is a shot of another setneck LP replica (a Custom?) This is probably a 77 or 78. It was up for auction on ebay a couple of months ago. Michael Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    John, The Music Store was in Mobile Alabama. I cant even remember the name but I understand the store went out of business about 15 years ago. Thanks for your interest. Michael Bob Ashcroft Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    I have an Ibanez LP copy of a Black Beauty. It's black with a white body and head stock binding. Gold turners and hard ware. It has 3 humbuckers with all of the other LP knobs and such. Any info would be welcome. Oh yeah it plays better than anything I have ever held. I also have either an AR 500 or AR 3000. How do I tell which one I have. Oh yeah again talk about sustain and tone!! Only thing it's heavy as hell. Martin Claesson Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Does anyone know an owner of a guitar like this in sweden??, I surely would like to have one, becuse it is the greatest guitar design ever combined with an ibanez guitar, can it be better than that?? I doubt it JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Bob: Regarding the difference between an AR500 and AR3000. The 3000 would have had the preamp/eq system. The 500 just has the 2 tri sound pickups. Or perhaps you meant to type 3000 & 5000, or 300 & 500??? Shane P Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    I was hoping someone could help me out with some advice on a set neck les paul copy.No serial no. at all.Split diamond headstock,custom over trussrod cover.Cherryburst in color.Schaeller tuners with a star on them.The pickups are open no covers.Apart from this it is a dead copy of a LP.I have a 1978 PF400 which I love and this guitar doesn't seem to be as heavy or of the same quality as the PF.It has the same hollow sound when you tap near the bridge as the many bolt ons I have seen over the years.The first set neck LP I have ever seen.Anyone hazard a vintage,rough value or any other info would be appreciated. JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Shane: I can't help with the LP copy questions, but it does surprise me that Ibanez would make a setneck with a hollow top. OTOH, it doesn't surprise me that the PF400 out rates the replica. The PF400 was the top of the line and meant to go head-to-head with the "real LPs" of the day. Everybody who owns them seems to love them...except for the weight (which proves that it's a solid guitar). JohnS Shane P Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Thanks for your response John,I had another look at this baby today.I wonder what year it could be. There is absolutely no serial no. on this git.Perhaps around 75-76.If I can get some cash to buy it, I'll try to upload some photos. JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Shane: If it has the "open-book" headstock shape then early to mid 70s sounds right. As far as I know, most of Ibanez's "original" design guitars had no serial numbers til '76. But I have seen a "replica" that did have a '75 serial number. So, it's just plain tough to figure a date without a serial number...unless you are VERY familiar with all the specs and construction details of the LP copies from different years. If it doesn't have the "lawsuit" headstock, it's probably a '77 or later, but has been refinished. JohnS David Caluory Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    If anyone cares, I saw a BEAUTIFUL amber burst flame top set neck LP Standard on Ebay a couple weeks back..I think it sold for like 4 - 450, but it was very nice! Aaron Hancock Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    I've got a 77 Les Paul Wine Red with the unusual distinction of having Super 80's pickups, and a Gibralter bridge. The guitar still even has the sticker on the back of the headstock with the Super 80's logo on it. The guitar playes and sounds amazing, but seems to be rather rare. I'm not sure that this was an actual production model guitar, but rather a "hurry up and get that Lawsuit body out before that lawsuit gets done with" guitar. :) What do you guys know about a Super 80's LP? Harold Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Aaron, Most Set-Neck Ibanez Les Paul Copies have Super 80 pickups. You have the model "2651-CW" LP Standard Copy with the Cherry Wine(CW) Finish. It's fairly common to see many of the old Ibanez Guitars with the sticker on the back of the neck indicating which pickups are in the guitar. Some of the models have Super 70 pickups. Some models have the Fancy Engraved Stop Tailpiece. Harold Aaron Hancock Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Mine isn't a set neck... unfortunately. Aaron Howard A Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    I bought my copy in 75, and I didn't realize what a gem I had. After reading most of the messages here, I thought I'd give you some details on mine. It has the red sunburst finish, and It is most definately a setneck! It has the lawsuit headstock with the split diamond and the scripted Ibanez logo. The tuning pegs have the black inlays with the silver stars on it. The pick-ups are a mystery. They are the stock ones that came with it and are two tone black and white. I have almost taken it apart and I cannot find any trace of a serial number so I'm in the dark there too. What do you think ? Any Good? Aaron Hancock Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    I like the split diamond thing on the headstocks, those look nice. Oh, if anyone would like to see pics of my Les Paul you can see them at: http://members.xoom.com/herdogoats also there are some pics of a few of my other guitars there as well... I've got to update the site because I've got 8 now and only a few of the current ones have pictures up now. JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Aaron: Up until today I was not able to access your site. Today I was able to see some of the MyGuitars page, but there are quite a few broken links with the pictures. Anybody else having a problem or is it just me? The wine colored LP is nice! The top on your sunburst Epi LP ivery nice too. Aaron Hancock Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Thanks, I'm not sure what the problems are with the site, I had some broken images when I brought it up as well. I'm not sure why, the problem seems to be with the service of xoom. My best guess is to try it again later, I just pulled it up, and this time with no trouble. Glad you like the Les Pauls, I did hate to part with the Epi cause it had such a nice top on it, but the Ibanez sounded and played better so I ended up keeping it. I basically got rid of it so that I could afford to buy the Flying V. JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Aaron: I tried it again, but everything below the Epi shows a broken link. Aaron Hancock Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Hmm... I'm not sure why... It must be the host's fault. Aaron Hancock Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Me again, I've gone and neglected to post since I aquired my setneck Les Paul Custom model on this thread. Black finsh, the 7 layer binding on body, 5 on headstock, block inlay, 5 layer binding on back, nice mop inlay design on headstock, script mop Ibanez slanted across the headstock (unusual), Gibson style star tuners, super 70's guitar (sticker still on headstock), amazing guitar!! Only non original item is bridge humbucker is a seymore Duncan Custom (old I believe). Knobs might have been swapped out somewhere along the way. Amazing guitar, this one is my baby (her name is Jenny)!! In great shape, no major dings/dinks/and no belt buckle scrapes on back either! What can I say, I got a time capsule for my $605!! I was reluctant to shell out that much the year or so ago when I bought her, but every day since I got her I wouldn't part with her for anything! (resonably speaking of course...) Sounds amazing!! Aaron Chris S Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Thought I'd throw this in.It's from a 1973 catalog.Model 2386 and of the 9 models they show(6 guitars and 3 bass)it's the only one with a picture of the neck joint so might it be the only set neck at that time?It's also the only one offered as a lefty model. JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Chris: Great picture! And it shows the uncovered, zebra pickups as stock items, too. JohnS Aaron Hancock Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Very cool picture! I'll pass along a pic of my setneck model as well... How do I post my picture anyhow, It's been a while so i've forgotten... Aaron JohnS Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:03 am:    Aaron: Take a look at this page: http://www.phoenix-creative.com/IbanezCollectors/ImageFAQ.html If you have any questions, just holler (via email). JohnS Pierre Philippe Cadert Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 6:52 pm:    Hello everybody, I also (like Difstrummer) have a Model 2347 setneck one-pu SG. And this model has been given to me in Switzerland where i use to live for years. Yes, given!( cf: Johns message "Let's hope there's more hiding under somebody's bed or in the back of their closet"). The head was half-broken and the pu is not the original (seymour-duncan). Actually, this guitar was the property of a Van-Halen style guitarist who, unfortunately, had the idea of customizing himself all his instruments and was selling them. A disaster: Tons of Gibson SG and LP with red Di Marzio's, stripes of flashy color on the body, eagle heads everywhere and, of course, badly drowned and badly paint. I was very disappointed because i was prepared to leave the place with one or more SG or LP (prices where incredible!). The only interesting piece was this Ibanez,in his original color. As you can imagine, the guy was more than surprised when i asked: how much for this one? But i was more surprised by his answer: Take it, i was about to put it in the garbage can... This guitar is very uncommon in France where i live now. And as far as i know this model did not had a great success at the time. But it's a good guitar, like any Ibanez. JohnS Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 9:30 am:    Pierre: That's a great story! Sounds like it might be a good candidate for "hot-rodding". That is, if you don't intend to restore it. If you ever decide to refinish it, take note of the wood and construction (number of pieces, lamination or solid wood, etc) and let us know what you find. JohnS ICW Chris Chalk (Chalky) Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 2:58 pm:    hello All, I'm new here but just thought I'd add to this thread. I own one of those set-neck les Pauls. Mine is a 74 2386. It looks exactly like the one above apart from the fact that it doesn't have the pickguard, not there when i bought it but thats ok cause i always take them off anyways, and it's got a few scratches and chips. this is actually the second of these that i have owned and i have seen a few more around the traps as well, but, as always, never when i had any money!! If any of you would like me to post some shots of it please let me know and i can do so. Chris. dave wilson Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 7:58 pm:    Hey guys, Nice to find others who appreciate these beauties. I was introduced to the Ibanez copies in a Tuscon, AZ music store in 1978, where I first beheld a wine red Set In Neck Les Paul standard with the Ibanez logo. My favorite (and oldest) guitar is a '75 Les Paul Custom/Black Beauty, sn K753195. Gold hardware, black pickguard, currently has a genuine PAF in neck position. Without a doubt, my favorite guitar of all. I used to also own a '77 strat copy (black w/white pickguard), and a tele that was sweet. Had to sell 'em both, but I'm building a pc for the guy who owns the tele in hopes of working a trade to get it back. Bill Amey (Spinatrockys) Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 5:45 pm:    I just purchased a set neck 2386 cherry sunburst that is like new. I used to have a bolt on neck cherry back in the late 70's but it is long gone. A month ago I bought a bolt on neck like I used to have and it was wonderful. A week or so later I found the set neck, not even knowing that any were made, and had to have it. So I sold the bolt on neck to the guy that told be about this site. Thanks Darwin! Hope your daughter loves the guitar! /image{set-neck} Bryan Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 5:48 pm:    Hey Guys, I have been lookin really hard to find a quality Ibanez Les Paul. I have many other pre 80's ibanez models and for the money i think they're great (put the price aside and they're still great). Anyways i have kept my eyes open on ebay lately and have noticed that the markets down right now. Do you think that buyin off the internet is my best bet on getting a quality Les Paul for a small price. If you did by your les Paul off the internet or are considering selling your Les Paul please right. Thanks Much, Keep Pickin- Bryan Jansemannen (Jansemannen) Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 2:05 am:    Hi everyone! I need and hope to get som expertice help. I want the age of my Ibanez Lp copy. It belonged to my father, its a setneck and it is bought before 75'. it is in cherry sunburst and that is all i know about it. the condition is perfect, its been stored in a case for about 27 years = not in use. Where can i see the serial number, there is nothing visible on the guitar. Hope someone knows!!! Tankyou. Jorgen (Jorgen) Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 2:35 am:    Usually there were no serial numbers on guitars manufactured earlier than 1975. Otherwise it is most likely found on the back of the headstock, and if the guitar has a bolt-on neck its found on the neckplate. Regards Jörgen Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 2:55 am:    Hello Jansemannen! The Ibanez Les Paul you're talking about must have been made between 1970 and the last half of 1975. From about november 1975 Ibanez started using serial numbers (j 75 is the earliest I ever found). You might take a look at the catalogues-scans on our site: http://www.ibanez-vintage-page.de and take a dive into the 1970 - 1974 catalogues. I'm still looking for such a sunburst set-neck for my collection. Is the guitar for sale? Greetz, Harry Jansemannen (Jansemannen) Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 3:31 am:    Hello again. I have collected some more info. It has no serial number, and the year is between 1973-74 becourse that my father bought it NEW in that time. I also have some pictures but dont know how to upload them to this site. PLEASE HELP and you can see them. It is in VERY VERY NICE condition, and still got the orginal protection paper on the plastics on the back side of the guitar. Russellw (Russellw) Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 7:31 am:    Another pic of the 2386 The first one is a Custom Russellw (Russellw) Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 7:33 am:    And to round it off a 2347 from the 1976 Catalog Iggy (Iggy) Posted on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 1:24 pm:    Hi, just thought I'd share some pics of my set neck black custom ser no. J766158. It's from '76 and has even still got it's little "SUPER 70's" sticker on the back of the head And here are the singing Ibanez sisters... Johns (Johns) Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 2:11 pm:    Here are the pictures that Jan sent me of his setneck LP (originally bought by his father in '73-74. Don't we all wish are Dad's were that cool?) Pauln (Pauln) Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 10:47 pm:    I have a set neck 2386 cherry burst with lot's of flame in transit from the U K . Will it be any rarer because it bears the ANTORIA name on the head stock.I know that Summerfield Bros distributed Ibanez in the UK with this name. Id love to get some feedback. Thank's Paul n Guitarman49a (Guitarman49a) Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 6:47 pm:    i was just curious....did ibanez make a very early les paul custom copy with a set neck and no markings whatso ever......i mean no serial number...no headstock name logo.......no nothing...this one guitar that i have is so close to the real thing that most people do a double take when they see it....i mean complete with headstock diamond inlay and all........but no logo......any help in finding out what this is...would be great...i have had it since the early seventies.....and was told it was an ibanez........ so i hope someone out there can please help me.... thanks....... george Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 4:18 am:    Hello George! It's very well possible you have actually an Ibanez. For a short time in the early seventies Ibanez made guitars with no name on the headstock. The reason why did did so is not very clear: probably they've had the first problems with complaints about the "shameless copying" by American companies or so (I wish anybody could give a better reason here). The fact that at that time the guitars pictured in catalogues had no headstock logo's is due to the fact that without logo the pictures could be used for other catalogues as well; as you maybe know several "brands" came out of the same factory. I guess your guitar has a beautiful flame top? Then it's a very early 2386 Guitarman49a (Guitarman49a) Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 7:47 am:    hi harry, if you look at the pic of the one posted by russ in feb. my guitar is an exact match of his 2386 model....except like i said with no logo......but the pickups are ths same...the headstock inlay....the fretboard inlay...the tailpiece and bridge....and control knobs.......and the little stars on the back of the tuners............so how do I go about confirming what i have is the real mccoy????? thanks for helping me out here harry...... george Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 4:02 pm:    Hi George! If your guitar does have the exact same pickups with the "exposed bobbins" casings (that show probably wear-spots, mainly on the edges, reveiling the messing/copper underneath) you can be close to 100 percent sure it's an Ibanez. When you change strings next time, please take one pickup out and see what's stamped in the back. Then please come back again and tell us what you've found. Greetz, Harry Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 3:08 am:    Hi George again! Forgot to mention in my previous message: if your Paula has besides those open pickup-boxes also the Star-tuners like you mentioned, well: I'd bet it's 100% for sure your guitar is an Ibanez-without-logo!! And all these features added together (all original, no logo, set neck, no serial number and therefor early seventies) makes it pretty desirable and valuable too amongst collectors. Cheers, Harry Blackbeauty (Blackbeauty) Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 5:42 am:    As to the discussion whether there is any LP-copy with set-in neck, the answer is a definite YES. And they are amazing. As well from the craftmanship point of view and as well seen from the tonal aspect. There is immense and homogenious sustain, chords come well defined, it is nearly perfect in clean and (especially) in hi-gain mode. I own a Black Beauty with S/N J0777052 in quite a good condition, and it is my favorite since long. I am just wondering, whether it is actually a 2650. All descriptions say it has got a birch top on mahogany body, but actually it seems to me that mine has got a mohogany body with a mahogany top. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Otis (Otis) Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 6:09 pm:    Does a 79 PF 400 count? I got one and had it since 79. Still plays real well. Johns (Johns) Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 12:26 pm:    Otis: Strictly speaking, the PF series was not a replica of the LP. The little notch on the top bout certainly knocks it out of contention for that honor. After the Gibson lawsuit, Ibanez took the first step toward producing guitars that would stand on their own merit, rather than trade on the "looks" of the "other guys". The PF series demonstrates their transitionary approach. On one hand, you have the lower end models with bolt-on necks and laminated tops. These features are typical of most of their replicas. On the other hand, there was the set neck, solid top PF400 which was every bit as nice as a "real LP". Very soon, somebody at Hoshino/Ibanez made a monumental decision to leave the single cutaway design behind. So, sadly, the PF series died. But their own designs flourished, both setneck and bolt-on. Otis (Otis) Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 5:01 pm:    Some how I got the impression that the PFs were made for only a few years. Is this true and what were the years? Did anyone ever figure out what all the numbers mean on the model no.? Thanks Jim Wiseman. Winnie_Thomas (Winnie_Thomas) Posted on Saturday, October 05, 2002 - 9:49 pm:    Here's the set neck 2386 I bought last month. It has Sperzels on it in the photos, I replaced them with Schaller gold Tulip (A la Gibson) tuners. http://soiuser.hyperchat.com/greybeard/full_frontal.jpg http://soiuser.hyperchat.com/greybeard/full_rear.jpg Winnie Mceowen (Mceowen) Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2002 - 12:37 am:    Here's one -- 21 hours left -- and no, it's not mine . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2384&item=932143723 Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 2:09 pm:    I guess this is a 2651 then? What about those knobs and the tailpiece, are they original. I thought the 2651 had a rosewood board? And is it a little pricey? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33039&item=935586573 six Johns (Johns) Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 4:18 pm:    Six: I wonder about the bridge. Seems like it should have been a skinny tumomatic, not a fatter harmonomatic. But it stil looks nice. I've seen setneck Ibanezes going for $700+. Challenger (Challenger) Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 4:34 pm:    Ok, there is a serious problem with the price. We're reaching into Gibson territory, now. From a collector's point of view (don't get me wrong, here) let's face it - the Gibson is just plain WORTH more. Sentimentality aside, Gibsons are better investments. You can find setnecks cheaper. This guy's a gouger. This guitar is not stock. That bridge doesn't even have the right plating - it's faded gold. The truss rod cover is gold, too. How do you know it's an ebony board and not stained rosewood? Too many questions for a guitar whose history is difficult to determine. Challenger (Challenger) Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 4:39 pm:    I just looked at it again. The last two eBay posts -- SAME GUITAR! Except for the $150 finder's fee added! GOUGER! Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 5:57 pm:    I agree, too pricey. It would need to be original and in very good condition to command that kind of money from me. Yes I wondered about the bridge too, although I recollect seeing late Ibanez Les Paul copies with that particular Harmonic-O-Matic bridge (198). But you’re right they usually come with the Harmonic-O-Matic 323 bridge. I also recall a Les Paul copy with the Deluxe Fancy Stop Tailpiece (224) like that fitted to my 2671 Scruggs. I checked the knobs out again using my catalogues and discovered that some guitars of that period had Hat-Box knobs. six Johns (Johns) Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 10:16 am:    Six: I think some "late" lp replicas were made up out of spare parts, like the fancy scalloped tailpiece and possibly the Gilbratar I bridge. I've never seen a setneck LP with these before, tho. But the PF200 pictures that were uploaded recently show that the Gibraltar I bridge was standard issue in '78. As Challenger states, the color of the bridge appears to be gold with the rest of the hardware chrome. Not a good sign for a collector. Challenger: I don't understand about "the last two ebay posts". What's up? Also, I don't follow Gibson LP pricing but I assumed that they were all over $1000.00 regardless of age or "collectibilty". It looks like he's recently sold some Gibbys for less than $1500. I don't know enough about them to say if he's "gouging" on those. Although not an ideal specimen (a few changed parts and not a true lawsuit), this is still one of the rarest Ibanez knockoff models you can find (a setneck, 3-pickup, SG custom, white with gold hardware would be another prize item, IMO). I don't see $600 as gouging. (Anybody follow the prices of Tokia LPs, as a comparison?) I'd love to have it for $400-500, but very common boltneck replicas go for nearly that much. Challenger (Challenger) Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 2:27 pm:    As far as the two posts, I was referring to the Dec 25 and Jan 6 (this page) from mceowen and sixvsix. It is THE VERY SAME GUITAR right down to the mismatched hardware. As far as gouging is concerned, the second seller of that guitar added a nice $150 for his efforts. As far as Gibsons are concerned, you can still get Les Pauls for around $850 if you're not too particular about the exactly the kinds of issues that our friend's copy has. I've seen Deluxes at guitar shows recently that were well under the $1000 mark, but not anything collector grade. Ultimately, I think that if you want an Ibanez Les Paul because you dig it, that's one thing. But if you want to get it as a potential investment, the Gibson will typically outperform it across a wider range of buyers. I don't want to tip my hand too much, but if you research these guitars and refine your search methods on eBay, you'll do far better than this price. Besides, you'd be helping to keep the prices down by not buying into the hype. If you buy only from people who don't normally deal in Ibanez copies (this actually applies to all brands), you are way better off. I know it's hard to just say no. I have GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) as bad or worse than anyone I know, but I REFUSE to let someone take advantage of my preferences. If everybody would exercise a little self-control, this market would come back to normal. Copy guitars should NEVER be worth more than the originals. Can you imagine the thought of a counterfeit ANYTHING that's worth more than the real thing? The logic does not follow. I would love to have that guitar. I would scour the web and every other resource I could find to put it back to stock. That can get pretty expensive and time-consuming. What would it be worth in time and money? If I saw a Gibson and an Ibanez LP right next to each other, similar condition, but a little more money for the Gibson (around 20%) -- you better believe I'm buying the Gibson. And I have. I know that there are serious hardcore enthusiasts out there who will disagree with me, and you are certainly entitled. But you're going to continue to pay more for 'les'. Challenger (Challenger) Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 3:57 pm:    I could kinda understand a price of over $500 on this, though... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=935476000&indexURL=0 Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 6:43 pm:    What was I saying the other day...here you go: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=936292342 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33040&item=936136651 six Psi (Psi) Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 3:14 pm:    Hi all, nice to see this discussion board. I own a set-neck Ibanez LP-copy, bought in 1980, brand new from the store (in fact: got it as a gift from my then to-be wife :-) Later on learned about all the law-suit fuss, allways great to have a guitar with a story... It was the last one to be sold within 120 miles from where i lived then (Netherlands). I wonder what it would do if i'd sell it. It's a cherry sunburst, serialnumber present, D786231. Anyone able to tell when it was produced? Indeed a heavy-weight champion, in fact i never was very fond of the real thing neck-feel, but with this one, it was love on first sight. All is still in it's original state, some wearing on the metal parts, but that's no problem to me. I had it tuned right from the store, and never needed to do it again up till now! None of my other guitars stayed in shape this long. I use it mainly with a Fender Bronco amp, a very small loudmouth, which produces a real blues-sound with a bit pre-amp activated. For the backup-playing i use a Fender Twin, beautiful "clean" (mind you, not "bright"!) sound. Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 5:27 pm:    Psi: Your guitar was manufactured in April of 1978. If you can, upload some pictures of your baby so we all can enjoy. Snowjays (Snowjays) Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 1:44 am:    Hi guys, My first time at this...... I have owned a les paul set neck copy for almost 25 years now. I origanilly bought second hand from a pro claiming to have moved from Ney York to Aussie land, and at time I was more interested in the guitar than what he told me about it. I always assumed it was a 2386 gone wrong or something. At the time he told me that the guitar was given to him for promotional purposes by Ibanez in USA in 1974. The guitar had been used for display for a year prior to him accepting it, and it had been shown at some sort of expo. I used the les paul for a while as my main workhorse before upgrading to an AR500 (the les paul was just too heavy). The only thing that was not original was that the scratch plate was removed. Reciently, some repair work revealed that two bars of the pickup are from a Gibson, and wired together with ibanez pickups. I was also told about some lawsuite etc... (ho hum)... and that this guitar was a les paul standard copy. The inlays are different to a 2386, and I really have not seen another like it. Pick up surrounds are chrome plated steel along with the selector plate. Does anyone have anything like it or seen any old catalogues that vary from the 2386. I'd be real interested to hear from you. If i can figure out how to attach a pic, i'll do so. Thanks, Tom Snowjays (Snowjays) Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 2:04 am:    : Snowjays (Snowjays) Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 2:17 am:    : Snowjays (Snowjays) Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 2:27 am:    : Snowjays (Snowjays) Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 2:31 am:    :

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