Not an Ibanez Korina V

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Author Message   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 9:38 pm:    Ebay Item #320153768085 I compared available catalog pictures and I don't see the Korina V ever having the input jack on the front of the guitar. Plus the truss rod cover is the wrong shape, the rubbed out logo on the headstock doesn't look to have enough room to be "Ibanez" and the tuners are wrong. I'd almost believe this was a Gibson V before an Ibanez. But then, I've been wrong before. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 10:28 pm:    This was (is?) on GBase for a long time as a 76 RRS. I talked with the guy about it a while back and he sent me a lot of photos. I think it's actually a 74 Model 2387CT with the jack moved from the edge to its current position. It's kind of hard to see but if you look closely at the jack it looks like there's white circle behind the black circular jack plate. On the Model 2387CT that was originally a white circle with the Ibanez script in it. I've only seen photos so I don't know if that white circle was an Ibanez "medallion" of sorts or just a circular badge. The angle and style of bridge also made me think it was a 74 2387CT. We talked about it and he agreed with me but he never changed the 1976 title in GBase.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 1:07 pm:    Is the logo on the headstock removed or just smudged in the photos? It doesn't look like you could fit "Ibanez" in the old script in there, at least when you compare old catalog pictures to it. I suppose there aren't a lot of other makes it could be. For all the mods and damage to the guitar, I think he's dreaming if he thinks he will get $750, let alone his BIN, for it. (Funny, the "bad word" filter thought HE-apostrophe-LL was a bad word.) But then again, we're in an inflationary period of values, so who knows? -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 1:58 pm:    I asked the same question and, if I remember correctly, I was told someone had picked the inlay out of the Ibanez script in the headstock. Yeah, it's definitely a player. With all the strap buttons on that thing you could go mountain climbing with it. At the same time, though, it's also a transition piece between the early 70s Vs and the mid 70s Korinas. That may be worth it to some collectors. Not me, though.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 7:58 pm:    Chuck - Now you've got me wondering. I found a close up of the 74 2387CT headstock and you're right. Truss rod cover is two screw and should have three and it's the wrong shape. That could easily have been hand made, though. The positioning of the "Ibanez" script is wrong for a 74, too. The script is centered on the top/right most machineheads. That's how it is on my 76 RRS but, on the 74 2387CT, it starts much closer to the truss rod cover and is centered on the middle pair of machineheads. I've never seen a 75 RRS. Could this be one? So, either: a) it's a 75 RRS b) it's not an Ibanez c) Ibanez did something weird d) it's an Ibanez Frankenstein I'm not sure anymore.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:52 pm:    I wonder if it could be a Greco? Greco as a logo would fit in the area of the headstock. And maybe they could have moved the jack location? -Chuck   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 12:15 am:    I'm back to thinking it's an Ibanez, and like you say, something of a hibrid between '75 and '76. Here is this guitar's headstock, alongside headstocks from a '76 2387, a Greco V of the same period, and, for reference, a Gibson V. The Ibanez logo looks like it could definitely fit into the rubbed out area, while the Greco and Gibson logos could not. Also, the shape is pure Fuji Gen, the Gibson being pointier. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 12:51 am:    Chuck - The neck could have snapped at any point in the last 30 years and been replaced with a period piece. There's just no way we'll ever know for sure unless we get our hands on it and take it apart. - Pete   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 7:17 pm:    Pete, you were mentioning 1974 2387CT Here is a black on white catalogue pic of it with the specs. It originally had Smooth Tuners. http://www.ibanez.ru/info/catalog/1974-2/01.jpg But there are several brands made at the Fuji Gen factory. Some had cheaper parts to be more competitive. I think I have seen these machine head bushings on a Memphis L6S copy. But I could be wrong, of course. It has been some time since I saw that one on eBay. But I remember looking at them, just to see if there was a link or if there were certain differences. But I guess it's difficult to check. Memphis is not what you would call a "well-documented" brand. Maybe tomorrow, I need some sleep right now... Ginger   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 7:40 pm:    You might be onto something, Ginger (as always). Here's a Memphis logo from the 1970's. The rubbed-out logo above looks like it could fit it, especially because of the wavy look to the bottom of the smudging. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 8:50 pm:    OK, it either is or isn't an Ibanez. If it is, the headstock is right for 1976 and later but the bridge looks pre-1976, the jack is in the wrong place, and the strap buttons are a mixture of Ibanez and Gibson positions with a couple of extra thrown in. Of course, the bridge, jack, and strap buttons are easily changed. If it's not an Ibanez, the headstock doesn't match anything we've found yet. The jury is still out on the Memphis. The body is so hacked up we can't tell what it is or was. So... a) Frankenstein? b) Hacked up 76 (or later) Ibanez? c) Or some other manufacturer? I don't know.   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:21 pm:    If it don't say Ibanez.... If you tried to remove the "Ibanez" from the headstock on on of these, it would make a far bigger mess than what you see on this one.

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