Concord Hummingbird mexican copy?.....

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Author Message   Momo Username: Momo Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 8:06 pm:    I have a Ibanez Hummingbird acoustic that seems to be a copy of a copy.I will post pics soon as Im presently not home and that will help identifing, but meanwhile. are any of you aware of what im saying? There is no Concord tag on the glued paper decal inside, plus, it has like spanish or mexican style writing on it, yea I know this will be more clear when I post pics, but have any of you heard of copies of a copy?( In other words, its like I have an Ibanez forgery of a Hummingbird copy!) Also, if im not mistaken, the original Gibson's were dreadnoughts,my guitar is definetly smaller than a Dreadnought. thanks for the help.   Momo Username: Momo Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 9:24 am:    OK here are some pics, I did not remember that there was a model no on the sticker...still this guitar seems smaller than a Gibson, is this normal? [IMG]http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s114/momoo_buck et/P1020236.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s114/momoo_buck et/P1020237.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s114/momoo_buck et/P1020238.jpg[/IMG]   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 10:46 am:    The logo on the headstock looks very crude, and I worry about the spanish language on the label too. I'd say a counterfeit of the Ibanez version of the Concord.   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 2:11 pm:    well...ihave an e684 hummingbird. they may have made that body shape in a "683" but that logo looks like the one i've seen on new guitars. with black headstocks. with the HS on your piece, the logo should be gold or a pearloid. the label is a curiosity. i think it maybe a fake. also mine says "concord" on the truss.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 5:14 pm:    I doubt this is a counterfeit, Momo. I've seen the Spanish label before, and I suspect Hoshino used it when they sold guitars into Spanish-speaking countries. This looks like a legit 683 to me. Does anyone have a pick of the base of the neck inside the body... An Hoshino-style serial number might help verify this.   Momo Username: Momo Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 5:32 pm:    Well I did check for a serial or something on the inside neck block and found nothing, I did not have that dentist mirror to see the sides of the block. Im not very familiar with acoustic history on Ibanez, but is the 683 a lower quality version? I think the sides and bottom are not solidwood, Chazmo, do you know if I have real Mahogany on the sides and back? Anyway, this guitar is setup with high action and tuned to G for slide, I can't use it normally, it then sounds dull and low volume.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 8:20 pm:    Well, that headstock looks pretty beat up. It might indicate that it pre-dates the 1976 Concord catalog. The shape of the crown of the headstock seems to indicate that (more Gibson-like than it should be). Maybe this is a 1975 (or earlier) guitar. Momo, I don't know about the wood. The Concord catalog says fine-grained spruce top and mahogany back and sides, which is typically vague. You can usually tell laminates, momo, if you look at the sides and back with a flashlight and see if the grain patterns match the outside. You can also look for grain mismatches where they should be bookmatched.   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 11:18 pm:    i agree with chaz. i thought about the spanish speaking countries after my post. according to the ibanez book. the 683 is a "concert grand" body shape. it's a pre-tulip HS. so it's probably the the real deal.   Momo Username: Momo Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 7:13 am:    So can I view this Ibanez book? is it online?   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 8:20 am:    Momo, if you want to see the catalog, I've referenced the collection at http://db.musik-meinl.de/index.php?direct_mainmenu =/service/katalogarchiv . Just page through to the 76 Concord series brochure. You can download the .pdf from there. Again, you'll find that the headstock on your guitar is different than the guitar pictured in 1976, so I just suspect it's a little older. The catalog says the grand concert dimensions are: full length: 40" body depth: 3.75" body: 18.5" Neck 1.75" The Ibanez book is something you can buy in print (or at least used off the web). I think there's one on eBay right now. Maybe I'm wrong about this, guys, but I don't see the motivation for someone to fake a "fake," so to speak. Wouldn't a cheater put a Gibson label on the headstock and try to pass it off as an original hummingbird? It would've fetched more cashola back in the '70s that way, wouldn't it?   Momo Username: Momo Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 8:42 am:    Chazmo, thanks alot for the link, that is awsome. So I do have a real 683, all the dimensions match, the mahogany grain does match inside out! It also is smaller than a dreadnought as in the book photos, they call it a Concert Grand....that does not fit though! its not my idea of a concert grand!, but that was the marketing ploy in those days! As you mentioned, this must be a 75 or older, it does not have a serial, nor does it have codes stamped on the neck block inside. So anyway, thanks for the help!   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 9:43 am:    Most welcome. Grand Concert, actually. Not "concert grand," which would definitely be a mis-nomer. GC is a fairly common description for the small-body, pinched-waist guitar you have, Momo, and it wasn't Hoshino's terminology. Modern-day Taylor, for example, has four "waisted" (to coin a phrase) body styles: grand concert, which is like your 683, grand auditorium, which is bigger grand symphony, bigger... and jumbo. They also have a variation on the GS that they use in the new R. Taylor brand (they call it "style 1"). Anyway, best of luck with your 683!

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