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Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 12:24 pm: | |
right..apologies for not being able to work out how to link to include my hosted pics but unless i'm mistaken you can see the image by clicking on the url links below...(for now till i work it all out)
I just bought this guitar and am confused..the guitar i thought it was appears to have different pick ups and tailpiece and the neck is not bolted. everything looks perfect with no signs of modification and no holes where the tail piece might have been? i wonder if any of you might be able to tell me more about it than i can find on the various website
here's the pics(i hope)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/lomographer /rik003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/lomographer /rik002.jpg |
Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
forgot to mention..no metal plate on the back and no sign of a serial number anywhere. it's very well made and has a lovely feel and the trim around the front of the body is ornate,not sure if that will show in the photos. i'm picking it up in the next day or two and will take some better photos (have to pick it up during the week so i can smuggle it into the house and hide it with the rest of the guitar so she doesn't notice i've bought yet another one |
Chucke99
Username: Chucke99
Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 4:01 pm: | |
Here's your rick side-by-side with a picture from the 1976 catalog (the only catalog picture I could find). The pickups are different, as is the tailpiece, but I'd say you're right that it's a 2388.
Is there a serial number on the back of the headstock?
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Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 10:01 pm: | |
...smuggle... hide it between the others...
it looks like the ideal relationship for a guitar collector is with a blackbird.
They tested whether the bird could count, by means of adding and removing eggs. A blackbird can't count any further than five. It seems to count like this: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, a lot.
So as long as you have more than 5 guitars, you'd just have "a lot of guitars" and you'd be safe.
Anyway, this rickplica is in many ways different from the one in the catalogue. Even the pickguard and the placement of its screws is different and of course the beautiful Greco tailpiece is missing.
The shape of the machinehead knobs is different (kidney instead of tulip).
This is definitely something for Harry.
Ginger |
Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 7:57 am: | |
got it :-) here's a few more pics showing the back of it,the neck and the front a bit closer. an old rocker who was in the shop when i picked it up reckoned the pickups looked like old telecaster hollowbody ones but i've not yet looked in my books. machine heads are new replacements and the pick up switch is new as well.apart from that the man in the shop says he's not aware of anything being done to it. been owned by the same guy for years(who replaced the machine heads)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/lomographer /rik007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/lomographer /rik009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/lomographer /rik011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/lomographer /rik013.jpg |
Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 8:15 am: | |
who's harry and will he spot this thread or should i post in one of the other forums?
thank for your help by the way |
Chucke99
Username: Chucke99
Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 9:50 am: | |
Here are scans from a 1977 Greco catalog, the only one I could find with a sunburst ricky. It doesn't match:
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Harry
Username: Harry
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:02 pm: | |
Hi all
To me: itīs "just" a modded 2388. Pickups changed, extra mounting ring around bridge pickup and replacement tuners.
The pickguard looks the same as in the catalogue picture (shape), but screws are in different positions. This guitar obviously has no serial number. That confirms my long-time suspicion that production of the 2388 has started most probably end of 1974/early 1975. So this is an old lady and as for the different positioning of the pickguard screws it could explain why. We see these kinds of "little changes over tje years" also with other Ibanez models.
Nice one! Pity itīs no longer in original shape!
Harry |
Chucke99
Username: Chucke99
Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:11 pm: | |
Harry, this is a set neck, not a bolt on, though. |
Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 4:01 pm: | |
and..what about the tailpiece?(or lack of one or any signs of there ever being one?)
and i can't tell from the catalogue images...did the 2388 also have the black dots on the body trim as well?
thanks again |
Bassassin
Username: Bassassin
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:20 pm: | |
Hi again! 
The checked binding on yours appears on all Ibby Rick copies that have this body shape. This was a feature on the real 4001 basses up to about 1973 (don't know about the guitars) and was copied on the Ibanezes. Rickenbacker changed the design & Ibanez kept it!
Harry - this does look like a variation on the 2388 spec we're familiar with. Even if the guitar had had a full refin after being modded, you'd still be able to see plugged screwholes from the original tailpiece through the finish. The set neck's intriguing too - the original Rick design this is derived from had a bolt on neck.
Possibly the removing & scrutinising the hardware & pickups might provide some clue to their origins, & whether they're original parts.
Jon. |
Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 6:17 pm: | |
i shall try and find the time to unscrew a few bits and see what i can find :-)you guys are great, i really had no idea where to turn till some kind soul on the vintaxe forum gave me the link to this site |
Harry
Username: Harry
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 12:59 pm: | |
Hmmmm....
I havenīt been very accurate.....
I sort of "overlooked" the fact that this guitar has a set neck.
That makes it quite an oddball after all!
Never seen that before either, so hereīs another "Ibanez riddle" that pops up after 7 years of research... 2388DX?? (Just guessing...)
Harry |
Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 5:48 pm: | |
was looking in my Blue Book earlier and it mentions that Ibanez did Rickenbacker copies with bolt on and set necks but they don't actually list the 2388...the search continues :-) |
Bassassin
Username: Bassassin
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 8:25 pm: | |
The 2388b Rick 4001 copy basses came in both bolt-on & neck-through flavours - that might be what the Blue Book's referring to. It's quite interesting to reflect that they were quite inaccurate copies in terms of hardware - like your guitar, in a way.
Perhaps yours pre-dates the ones in the catalogues, and later ones were revised to be more authentic. Ibanez did this with the basses - the 2389b was a more accurate successor to the 2388b.
Jon. |
Saynotovorderman
Username: Saynotovorderman
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 12:33 pm: | |
so..is the consensus that it's probably 1974/75 and i could call it a 2388DX on my insurance or in the unlikely event i ever want/need to sell it? |