2352 no decal, real??

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Author Message   Tef Username: Tef Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 3:37 pm:    Ebay Item #260189245351 Is this one original?? Looking at the catalogues I can only find blonde 2352's with maple necks, how about the missing decal?? and the steel t-rod cover?   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 8:58 am:    Quote: "The headstock has not been sanded; it has never had an Ibanez logo or serial number". The point of view of experts like Harry and Hasy has always been: if it never had an Ibanez label, it's NOT an Ibanez. That doesn't mean that the guitar is not from the same manufacturer. That is possible. Hasy buys a no label or wrong label collectible every now and then, just to lay his hands on the model. If you're doing research and you are missing links, then you take the next best thing. Herr Meinl of the vintage-ibanez museum, did the same. But you find these axes under several different labels. What's nice about this one: all original Maxon pickups are still present. Most owners replace them with a Fender bridge pickup, after which they have to drill new holes in the bridge or buy a new one, because the screw hole triangle is upside down on all of these Japanese non-Fender telecasters. Ginger   Bassassin Username: Bassassin Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 9:47 am:    I agree with Ginger (and Harry & Hasy) here - if it doesn't say Ibanez, then it's not one. The fact that unbranded guitars often appear in early Ibanez catalogues does confuse this somewhat - but it's generally accepted that they were stock factory shots, used by a variety of different brands in their publicity materials. Ibanez guitars of this vintage were mainly made by Fujigen Gakki, and this guitar, from what I can see, has indications that it might be from that factory. Fujigen necks are often built from 3-piece quarter-sawn timber, like this one appears to be. Some early guitars from Fujigen did have chrome truss covers like this one, later ones were white plastic. I find the presence of a zero-fret quite curious, I don't recall seeing that on a Fujigen guitar. Reading the description, I think it might be a replacement fretboard - he says there's glue visible between the board & neck. I also seriously doubt that much of the hardware & electrics are original, either - look at the base plates of the Maxxons & then look at the pots, screws, springs & wiring. Not exactly consistent. So I'd say it's not an Ibby & has had some major refurb work done. If you go for it - don't pay too much. Jon.   Tef Username: Tef Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 11:02 am:    thanks guys, I'll see what happens. I sort of like these blonde tele's but on the other hand, I do want to stick with (real) ibanezes since I do have some sort of "collection" (4 axes...). If the price is right I might go for it... Thanks again, thomas   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 12:06 pm:    The zero fret is just a matter of how old the guitar is. Older Ibanez guitars had them too. They stopped using them around 1967/'68 or so. But you must be aware of the fact that Hoshino ordered also from other manufacturers than Fuji Gen back then. If you go back to the old 2475 LPST (Strat with LP bridge from 1969/'70), you see those same metal truss rod covers but no zero fret. The 2020 model (1967/'68) however has not got the nickel-chrome truss rod cover but it has the zero fret. Just visit Hasy's site: http://www.sixties-ibanez.com/ and you'll see what I mean. BTW, I have a combination of both on my Sakai Thinline Tele, but it has a laminated maple neck. The Maxon humbucker is still original but the single coil and the bridge are both replaced by Fender parts. (I still have got the original bridge). I see if it fits on the scanner.) Ginger   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 12:25 pm:    Right, this should work: Ginger   Bassassin Username: Bassassin Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 1:28 pm:    Ginger - I know exactly what you mean about the zero-fret, but the Ibanez branded guitars from the 60s really pre-date the "copy" era. This is a quite authentic-looking Tele, and not consistent with what we know of the 60s era output. For what it's worth, I think it is a Fujigen, and it's from the early 70s, and it's had a replacement fretboard at some point in its life - this would account for the rosewood board, the visible glue and the zero-fret. All just speculation of course, because yet again, along comes another interesting old guitar which ends up posing more questions than it answers! J.   Tef Username: Tef Registered: 7-2007 Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2007 - 10:15 am:    If you check out harry's collection you'll see his 2352 blonde with the original decal (white) and the rosewood fretboard, so the rosewood should be original since non-original's usually do not have a long life in harry's collection. It's still strange than that the rosewood style guitar is nowhere to be found in any catalogue... Harry, what's your opinion on the rosewood?   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 4:10 am:    The 2352 with the rosewood fretboard is not to be found in any catalogue. Yet you see them pretty often. I have one too in my collection, 100% for sure it's an original Ibanez. About the unbranded one in the Ebay link above: The metal truss rod cover indicates that (if it would be a "no name" Ibanez) it was built around 1971/1972. But in that case the jack input would be on the control plate where the 3-way switch, the volume and tone pots are. The bridge pickup on the Ibanez 2352 always is the same style (metal casing) as the neck pickup. Apart from that there is no inscription in the back plate at all, so for me the evidence is clear: this is no Fuji Gen Gakki made telecaster. Harry   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 4:43 am:    Forgot to mention the zero fret, which is an issue of doubt also. Harry

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