70's series with a vine inlay

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Author Message   Beggaz Username: Beggaz Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 7:18 pm:    Hi, I own an Ibanez Les Paul and would like someone to help me determine the model and year. It is black, says super 70's on the back, says "custom" on the little plastic thing on the neck and most importantly it has like a vine inlay down the neck from fret 3-9 or so. any idea the year and model?   Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:41 pm:    No serial, so 1974-1975, halfvine in black so model must be 2660. Pics? P@ul   Beggaz Username: Beggaz Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 11:16 pm:    C:\Documents and Settings\gr140325\Desktop\Gregs guitars7.JPG   Beggaz Username: Beggaz Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 11:17 pm:    I cant figure out how to post a picutre.   Beggaz Username: Beggaz Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 11:34 pm:    Hi. The serial # is not avail w/o taking off the neck I think.. Here is a pic. Its on the bottom row...Thx.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 2:55 am:    I think it's a 1976 built guitar (Guild Tulip headstock). They put the serial number on the headstock or on the neck plate, not under it as far as I know. If the neck plate is not original, you have an ID problem. Paul, what do you think? Ginger   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 6:03 am:    Hi all Itīs a nice and (as far as I can see) original 2660, built in 1976 or 1977. Beggaz, if there is not a serial number on the back plate, then either the packplate is mounted upside down or it is not the original back plate. Paul: this canīt be a pre-serial, because it would have had the open book headstock (but you didnīt know that since your reaction came before the picture was on). Ginger: these models were always bolt-ons and so they never had a serial number in the back of the headstock, but always stamped in the neck plate. Kind greetz, Harry   Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 6:03 am:    Hi Beggaz, It is a 2660 alright. Now we still need to confirm the build year. Like Ginger wrote the guitar "should" have a serialnumber and the words "made in Japan" stamped on the neckplate with the Guild or tulip style headstock. If the headstock is open book style the neckplate should just say "made in Japan". Does yours have the same headstockshape as the one in the picture or does yours have the open book style headstock? P@ul   Beggaz Username: Beggaz Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 9:50 am:    Hi. Thanks for the help. Its the same as in the picture. The neck plate doesnt have a serial #. It does look to be the original plate because it matches tee other hardware on the guitar with the same aging look. I just says "made in japan." Back when I was 18-19 years old ( I am 38 now) I was playing pool at a buddys house and noticed a guitar case in the corner and asked him if he played. He said no, his mom bought it for him and he never played it. So I bought it from him. It has mostly been in a case for 20 years chilling out.   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:23 am:    Hmmmmm...strange: only "made in Japan" but it has the new 1976 headstock.... Ibanez keeps us puzzling! Harry   Beggaz Username: Beggaz Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:28 am:    check em out...   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 4:31 am:    Harry, you wrote: "Ginger: these models were always bolt-ons and so they never had a serial number in the back of the headstock, but always stamped in the neck plate." I was thinking that while I was posting it. Ttttt... to late. But I am an idealist. I want things to go as honest as possible. I don't like serial numbers in a loose part. I like it the way it is in my 2355m: in the WOOD itself. Less possibilities for fraud, I have recently seen some attempts though. (Serial number 3??? Changing the year of a black Artist AR100 from 80 or 83 (don't remember exactly) to 88 > obviously theft) You have to watch out these days, Harry. And these numbered plates are a risk. If I would ever buy an Ibanez Paula, it would be a setneck. Ginger   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 6:03 am:    Yeah, you are absolutely right, Ginger. I once saw a 1964 Fender Musician with no serial number at all and the guy who sold it told me that a previous owner (.....) took off the original numbered backplate to put it on a Fender Strat in order to make it look like a genuine pre-CBS (and probably in order to sell it for way too much bucks to an ignorant....) And coming to think of it: this 2660 of Beggaz might be a victim of such kind of fraud too. Headstock is clearly 1976-1978 (the open book heads had a torch inlay, this Guild-shape headstock had the newer "bug" inlay). But then again: it just could be possible that this neckplate for some reason was forgotten to give a serial number and that nobody noticed or cared..... Harry   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 9:24 am:    FORGOTTEN??? ON A VINE??? Hmmm... don't think so... I think it's a case of fraud (suspicious as always Ginger   Beggaz Username: Beggaz Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 10:52 am:    I bought it for $138.00, he wanted $150 but all I had was $138, so I don't think somone was trying to fool me. It came with a case too. The guy I got it from, a college friend, his mom bought it for him and she doesnt know anyhting about guitars and therefore dont think she was a victim of fraud either. I have had this for about 20 years and was thinking of letting som eof my guitars go because I owe a lot in taxes this year. I think I'll keep this one...   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 6:16 pm:    Hmmm, 20 years ago these guitars weren't considered vintage collectibles, so there was no reason to attach its serial number to another guitar. But it is possible that the necks of 2 Paulas were swapped (put the vines on the most beautiful body after a damage for instance) before his mum bought it. So probably you have a early 75 or older body with a 76 or later vine neck. Anyway, it looks nice. Wasn't there someone on board with a Paula with a post 76 serial number and an open book headstock? Because the result of such an operation is: 2 Frankenstein guitars! Puttin' on the Riiiiitz! Ginger

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