LP Copy Unknown Yr & Model

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Author Message Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 5:22 pm:    I have a LP copy with a set-in neck and a tulip headstock. Bought it from a Memphis guitar store named "Strings and Things" in '82 when touring. I think it may be a No.2386 but it has a slanted Ibanez on the headstock and no serial number that I can find. Anyone know a born date Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 6:49 pm:    Sounds like a 2650 to me. Should have a 76-78 serial number on the back of the headstock. Can you post some pics? Paul Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 12:58 am:    I'm gonna sound like an idiot, but I can't figure out how to post pics. I have some small Jpegs. Could you walk me through the upload process? I tried drag and drop and cut and paste. No numbers on the back of the headstock and the MOP fret inlays are blocks... not trapizoidal. Where should the numbers be located on the back of the headstock, at the top-above the pegs, or below them? Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 1:47 am:    Lespaul, thanks for the reply. I have found out how to upload. Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 2:14 am:    or so I thought... Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 7:29 am:    I have one of these, and the headstock is not black on the back...perhaps a headstock repair/repaint (which would explain the lack of serial number).... ? The back of this guitar looks black too, bad pix ?... Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 10:10 am:    Hey Flemmish51, It is a 2650 alright. What color is it? Looks like a brownburst in these pics but as far as I know these only came in cherry sunburst or solid black. The serial number should be above the pegs. On the backside of the slanted Ibanez logo if you wish to say so. The controlknobs might be replaced and pickups has been tampered with. They should be gold covered super70's (altough Dave has one with super80's.........) Paul Maybe DaveG is right and it has been refinished? Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 11:49 am:    Lespaul and Dave g, First of all, thanks for your expertize! So tell me, is the slanted "Ibanez" on the headstock uncommon?. All the pics I have seen show a straight across config except for an occasional semi-hollow electric/accoustic. Also, although my pic cuts it off, the trussrod cover on the headstock is attached with 2 screws alligned center on top & bottom, not the commomly seen triangular config. No evidence of cover holes being filled. The back of the headstock show signs of being sanded, so your probably correct in assuming a repaint. I looked at it through a loupe, but see no vestage of stamped numbers once being there. So it's somewhere between a '76-'78 right? the guitar's action is absolutely wonderful but unfortunatly, the back of the neck is the only area which is undamaged, dented, or chipped. The front of the guitar body is horribly scratched and gouged so I was contemplating to refinish the front. Is lacquer the preferred top coat? and what about the sunburst colors (very yellowish in the middle by the way), is it a real pain to replicate? I hve 20yrs of cabinet maker experience so I am not daunted by a refinishing task but wonder as to destroying any residual collector value. It was wonderful to find this site, I've always had to defend this guitar until it was played, then I would get mumbled compliments. Where can I find instruction as to how proceed with a nut replacement? Boy I got a lot of questions. Flemmish Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 12:28 pm:    Flemmish, For now, KEEP IT AS IT IS!!! Ofcourse I respect the fact that it is your guitar and you can do anything you want with it. The slanted headstock logo is a typical feature for 2650 models I think. I have not seen it anywhere else. The two screw TRC is correct on this guitar and replaced the earlier 3 screw types. The finish on this baby is poly and it will be hard to refinish it in a nonsolid colour. Any chance the headstock might be cracked and repaired? This would explain the solid black back headstock refinish. Another possibility is that your guitar was stolen one day and the serialnumber is covered up. Ofcourse it does not have to mean anything at all....... I really love these guitars. Paul Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 12:33 pm:    Flemish...The build is most likely a '77..the models changed in '78 to the Performer series. The serial number would not show up as an stamped number because Ibanez filled in the serial numbers with a gold colored fill, resulting in a flush to surface serial number. My guess is some sort of headstock repair necessitated the black finish obscuring the serial number. I would not refinish that guitar...Those set necks represent some of the very best builds that Ibanez made during the ERA..the last of the clones per se, while 1978 marked the new era for Ibanez as they introduced their new designs (Performer, Concert, new Musicians, new Artists, etc)...BTW I have only seen a half dozen or so of these '77 set neck 'Pauls and ALL of them had the slanted script logo-I guess it was a "throw back"....If you must refinish it .....I vote burgundy ! Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 10:24 pm:    Dave_q & Lespaul, this is so cool to get all this info. I took a few shots of the headstock backside. It appears, upon closer scrutiny that the back was repainted, and badly. I've added a few pics because I noticed a slight dishing in the rubed sand job right where you've placed the serial number location. I suppose this means the serial number could have been sanded off on purpose... On to other things. The tailpiece (goldtone) and the bridge (chrome) are pitted and should probably be replaced Wha twould be the proper color scheme for them plus the control knobs? All goldtone? Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 7:44 am:    Gold(NOS!)is the way to go.... Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 1:32 pm:    Flemish, If someone sands of the serial number off, and does this on purpose on a '77 Ibanez, the reason can only be theft! "Pre-lawsuit" Ibanez guitars have an open book headstock. So you can't "age" the guitar saying it's a '75 or earlier. (Wrong headstock) No, this guitar was most certainly stolen! Now it's difficult to identify, unless the original owner added his own marks and has photographs of distinctive features and marks. I hope for you it's a not a recent theft, but an old one. The Dutch law is, that if you honestly bought it (with a receipt with the price and the name and address of the owner on it) the original owner has to pay you the price you paid for it, in order to get it back. I guess the Belgian law won't be much different. Hint: If an Ibanez is "post-lawsuit" (Guild tulip headstock) always look for the serial number and let the seller write it on the receipt. Keep the receipt in your collection administration This way you are protected by the law, and you will always get the money back you paid for it! Good luck, Ginger Ale Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 4:18 pm:    Ginger Ale, Please read the first post on this thread. I also now suspect theft but conversely, I don't know if the value of a then 5 year old scratched up Les Paul copy would have been a marketable enough theft to warrant the risk. In '82 Ibanez did'nt have a great reputation, at least in the circles I traveled. Additionally, I bought it out of a reputable music store. 'Tis a mystery! I don't have a 'collection', just guitars that I used for performing and recording. A nice mix of playable instruments: a 1973 Fender Precision, a Harmony Patrician (year unknown), and a 1968ish Hofner Lute. All 4 are dear to me. Thanks for your comments Flemmish Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 5:26 am:    I think either the sales personnel took this risk in order to close a deal on an expensive guitar, or the thief gave it in commission and it was never officially in the stock administration, but only in the commission administration. Band instruments are often stolen out of the van, when the band is boozing after the gig. Thieves have no time to be too picky. They evaluate their lute afterwards. Also if your not a collector or a professional, it's always good to keep the receipts in your personal administration. Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 3:58 pm:    Gemberbier where are you located. Your vocabulary selection seems somewhat alien Flemmish Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 4:32 pm:    Yes this thing has been repaired...most likely the serial number was sanded off to refinish it, I've seen it before. Imho it's unlikely that it was stolen. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 2:31 pm:    Flemish, I'm located in Noord-Brabant. That's almost Flemish, not alien. Normally I prepare my comments in a text processor, now I didn't. The grammatical errors (your/ you're) are due to a ten year old, who wanted to play "runescape" on the same laptop with separate keyboard (not mine, so it doesn't always work the way I want it to. On this system I must press the Spacebar after the ' in order to get it on the screen. I'm used to the old fashioned combination of Windows 98 SE and Office 97 or 2000 and WordPerfect 8 or 2000. Besides I'm used to the Microsoft Natural keyboard. Working on my girlfriend's keyboard exaberates my wrist and little finger tendon injury, just like playing the bass does (the reason, I only play my normal 6-string guitars now). Pit, if there are no cracks, why would someone refinish the back of the headstock? Did you see a repaired crack? The photographs are a bit vague, but I know you are looking with repairman eyes. What do you see? How do you know this headstock wasn't refinished to cover the spot where the removed serial number was? For me it's a chicken and egg story... But I'm always willing to learn... Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 4:22 pm:    Gemberbier I didn' notice any grammatical mistakes, just your word useage seems a little different than what I hear/read here in the USA My heritage is Flemmish/German but I'm a US citizen. If I were you I wouldn't argue with someone named pitviper! Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 8:06 pm:    Flem(m)ish, I didn't notice your extra m, so you're not 'round the corner, Flanders 25 km from Eindhoven, but USA is quite a swim! Professionaly I translate technical, medical, legal and business texts. My mother tongue is Dutch, my A language is German and my B language is English. Another reason my word useage is a little different is that we learn British English in Holland. As I understand, the founders of ICW are Australian. They will probably sound like Crocodile Dundee to you... Alien... ET phone home... I don't consider myself argueing with Pit. But he seems to see things that I don't. His specialty is inlay work and other woodwork and finish repairs. So I want to know what he sees that I don't on these vague pictures. As I said, I'm always willing to learn. By the way: When we're discussing clear pictures, our opinions don't differ much. But you can help me out too... since you own that guitar! What was there to repair BEFORE the former owner/possessor decided to refinish the back of the headstock? Can you for instance find traces of a crack repair? Greetz Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 8:17 pm:    Ginger: Just for the record, the founder of ICW (that's me ) is based on the northeast coast of the USA. But he appreciates ALL lovers of Ibanez products, regardless of country of origin. Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 9:10 pm:    I used the word "repaired" what I meant to say was "refinished". Pitviper Username: Pitviper Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 9:13 pm:    As far as why...there are o'plenty of reasons, some good, some bad and some just for the hell of it. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 4:39 am:    Johns, Because I saw you with a 2675 Custom Agent and a rack full of Ibanez "goodies", of which you said they weren't yours, I assumed it was Dave_G's rack. That's why I thought Dave_G was living just 'round the corner, and as I understood, he and the Captain are Aussies. But this is good to know. Especially when we're discussing prices in "dollars". By the way, dollar originally derives from a Dutch word 'daalder' a 15th-19th century silver coin (Austrian/German/English 'thaler') which was about 1,5 guilders. Until 2002 we had the "Rijksdaalder", which was 2,5 guilders, but thanks to the EURO all this is history. But now I will use the USD conversion John, so you don't have to convert from AUD anymore! Greetz, Ginger Ale Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 9:01 am:    Dave G is USA! Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 9:35 am:    Ginger: Sorry for all the confusion, I'll explain a few details to help clarify who is who. The 2675 I was playing (and the rack of other guitars) belonged to Robert, username IbanezCollector. He lives about 4 hours south of me. At that time, the guitar had been sold to a collector in the UK. It was also one of the only 2 I knew of to be in the US. So, I took the time to visit Robert and see his fantatic collection. Most were being sold off. Eventually, I bought an Artfield from him. Haven't heard much from Robert since then. The pictures of the Captain working on the 2675 also show ICW member Spiro in the background. Both are Aussies and live close enough to meet whenever they feel like it. . However, Spiro hasn't been around the forum since he started a new job, hence the message thread "Where is Spiro?" in the Miscellaneous section. One of those 2675s belonged to the ICW member, Meranti. He lives in Indonesia, but sent the guitar over to Australia to be repaired. Meranti originally bought the guitar from a dealer in Australia. The other 2675 belonged to someone in Australia. Not sure on the details of that one. It was cool to see these ultra rare guitars in the same place, at the same time. Speaking of Dave_G, I live about .5 hr. north of him. Sounds like it should be convenient for us to meet, but so far it's not happened. We had arranged to meet at the dealer where Dave was picking up his BWM1BS "Cowboy", but I got lost and missed him by 10 mins. Maybe someday I'll get a guided tour of Dave's vast collection (hint, hint Dave ). And thanks to Bobzilla, we now know what Dave looks like. I have met some of the other members who live in the NJ/Penn. area at regional guitar shows. To see some pictures, search for "PA guitar show" in the Miscellaneous section. Among others, you should see JeffSailor and IbanezFreak. Both are very generous and knowledgeable Ibanez fans who have supported ICW for quite sometime. Freak and I were priviledged to take a tour of the Hoshino USA facility in Bensalem, Penn. I think that's about it. Oh yeah, thanks for the history of the "dollar". New York City is still full of historical references to the Dutch ancestors that settled there. Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 1:41 pm:    Hey everyone- This thread is supposed to be about ME!!! Hope nobody cringes but I decided to somewhat refinish my 2650. But due to my own experience in spraying (and knowing poly somewhat), I concluded that most of the 1-200 scratches of various lengths and depths on the front body of this guitar would sand out before I got down in far enough to remove the sunburst paint. I was correct. 99% of the scratches sanded out, leaving the paint scheme intact. I also removed the tuners and sanded the headstock on both sides, being carful not to scuff the inlays on the front (by the way, are the headstock MOP pieces really inlaid or veneer thin pieces surface applied with glue). This went good also. When sanding the rear of the headstock, I saw evidence of automotive body putty having been applied along the top, right where the serial number should have been. I also noticed some of the original sunburst finish under the black paint, as Dave_G correctly noted. I lightly sanded with 220 grit. Today I will go over everything again with 4-500 grit, then again with 1000 grit (wet sand). Unless someone can turn me on to access to paint colors (or colours) with which to redo the headstock rear, I will be forced to repaint the back-black again. Todays polys are remarkably stable compared with offerings from years ago and they don't orange peal (a rejection). I don't anticipate a problem spraying a new poly over the old sanded poly. If anyone knows a good website where I could locate }a new nut (pregrooved) I would appreciate it. Have a good weekend all. Flemmish Flemmish51 Username: Flemmish51 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 3:03 pm:    Pictures of refinish work partially done. \image {my picture} \image {my picture} \image {my picture} \image {my picture} \image {my picture} \image {my picture}

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