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Author Message Doeringerofdgm Username: Doeringerofdgm Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:13 am:    Gibson-ish headstock though not angled. Bigsby style trem, only works to raise tuning. "Zero" fret Bolt on neck Single coil pickups Floating tune-o-matic style bridge plastic bridge pieces. two volume two tone and 3-way switch. Made In Japan imprinted on the neck mounting plate. Old Ibanez I on the trem but no other manufacturers marks Doeringerofdgm Username: Doeringerofdgm Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:19 am:    Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 2:40 pm:    Since there is no label in the body and no logo on the headstock, you can't say for sure that it is indeed an Ibanez, because the tailpiece COULD have been replaced. That part is Ibanez for sure. The potmeter knobs are not (after market). This guitar is old (end of the 60's), an era in which very likely other manufacturers than Fuji Gen were involved. We see the same features on several Japanese brands, Diamond (Aria) is one of them. Some concluded wrongly that Matsumoku would have been involved, but for pre 1976 guitars that's very unlikely. But there is a possibility that Shiro Arai Co. was involved in the production of other brands. We are waiting for several months now on a photo gallery of Hasy's neck plates in order to get a little closer to an answer. So, Hasy's got the ball now. Ginger Doeringerofdgm Username: Doeringerofdgm Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 3:53 pm:    Thanks Ginger! I was not assuming anything. A friend brought it in to the shop and had asked, I noticed the I and though I would get help here. Thanks again. I also found this but it only says 196? Ibanez hollowbody http://vintageibanez.tripod.com/sixties.html Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 4:39 pm:    You mean: http://vintageibanez.tripod.com/sixties/images/60s_hollowbody.jpg ? OK, that's something. It's the same guitar. Yours has a pickguard that's probably original. It fits exactly on the neck pickup contour. So that's an advantage of yours. But your bridge looks brand new. It's probably better than the old one, but it's not original. Remarkable detail: same potmeter knobs... hmm... don't know... coincidence or original? So keep in mind that it COULD be a 196, because the other one has a "?" behind it. I told you these old ones are difficult to identify. But at least you have an indication that this Gretsch imitation IS an Ibanez with an original tailpiece. And really nice looking. How is the sound of it? Ginger Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 6:04 pm:    I found one that looks close http://www.mr-ibanez.com/product_1.htm Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 6:10 pm:    Interesting! So, for now we have model 196? and model 480, both without a pickguard. These two look exactly the same. Ginger Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 6:40 pm:    Hey ginger waz up!The pickguard might have been custom made who knows? Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 7:38 pm:    I'm not drawing any conclusion yet. But the second one (196?) is showing a pickguard screw next to the fretboard. Can't get a good look at the other one. The pickguard looks good to me, though. Ginger Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 7:45 pm:    That is a model number 480, above mentioned "Model 196?" means it is from 1960s, exact year unknown.. Mid 1960s says the Ibanez book. 481 was the very same guitar but natural colour, the knobs are original, there is a very good photo in that aforementioned book.. Pickguard is an add-on, original seems to have come without one.. Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 7:47 pm:    This pickguard was an add on.Pretty good job though! Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 8:46 pm:    What do you make of this? http://www.matsumoku.org/ggboard/viewtopic.php?t=522 and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsumoku compared to this: http://www.matsumoku.org/arai_matsumoku.html I would say, we've got some contradictions here... Ginger Hasy Username: Hasy Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 2:52 am:    Ginger / Fox ! Perfekt, nothing more to say only: www.sixties-ibanez.com Take care Hasy Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 5:10 am:    So that's where your neckplates are! I must learn to navigate your website. I do it in German now. It feels more natural to me. I know that's a bit subjective. But I'm a bit of a lazy navigator. I want everything fast, with one click. And that's not how it works. But I found 2 pictures of the 480. A 1965 SET NECK with a dark pickguard with 2 made to fit pickup cutaways, and... a 1965/1966 BOLT-ON with the same white pickguard as Terry's with one made to fit cutaway and one rectangular cutaway. So we may assume that either this pickguard is original, OR Terry Doeringer's guitar is on your website, Hasy. Is the 480 model of 1966 in your possession or do you know for sure that it is somewhere else, being NOT in Terry Doeringer's possession, Hasy? Then we know for 100% sure, that the white pickguard is original. This shows once again that 1960's Ibanez is a real specialism and that your knowledge can't be missed over here, Hasy. http://www.sixties-ibanez.com/ Thanks man! Ginger Hasy Username: Hasy Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 4:00 am:    Hi Ginger Step by step: The navigation of the 60s & 70s Pages is working low, i knew that. Dit you update your Java Plug for the Internetbrowser ? Do it, it will be works faster. The 480 Series is a special thing, here some identifikations: The first series in ca 1964/65 . got 3 Tone/Volume Pots (not inline or lespaul Like) and possible Set Neck Version. Diffrent scratchplate like the later ones, Soundholes are in 3 Parts every side. I never saw one since i collect. The Catalog shows very small thumb pictures, i scan them up to 500 % but its not clear, if its Bold on or Set Neck. The only one part is, the mounting into the body is round, not square. This could be set neck, Bold on (like mine) got square shapings on the border of the body. http://www.break-even.org/six2/guitarpics/catalogue/la-c-480.jpg The second series 1965-? 3 Tone/Volume Pots INLINE, square shapes/bindings by the end of the neckjoint, new scratchplate design, two diffrent pickup shapes http://www.break-even.org/six2/guitarpics/fix/la-480-2-1.jpg http://www.break-even.org/six2/guitarpics/fix/la-480-1-1.jpg The third series 1966 -? 4 Tone/Volume (les paul like), round shapes/bindings by the end of the neck, same pickguard like the second one. Aviable with the "J" tremolo and a simple long non trem version (like es335) Numbers and Colors: We got 3 Numbers and 3 colors, but i`m not shure about the right assembly. (the catalog shows, but its to small to read) 480 = mandarin/red 481 = natural/wooden 482 = red/black Burst The shown guitar 480 above: The pickguard is original. The two 480/482 Models on my Page are my own, there are some pictures of Orvals 482 - 3 series, and some other one (see Chapter more pictures of ibanez models) I saw the auction on ebay, but i was not able to bid on them :-( Ginger, i try to do my best for vintage ibanez, thanks for your co-operation, only together can we more learn. Take care Hasy Doeringerofdgm Username: Doeringerofdgm Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 2:23 pm:    Hey thanks for the effort guys, I appreciate it. I have sent your replies to the owner, I'm sure he appreciates it too. The guitar needed some TLC but had a wonder tone, slightly ric-ish but not quite as bright.

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