Black LP with P90s?

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Author Message Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 10:27 pm:    Anybody know what this is? I can't find anything with P90s in the '75 or '76 catalogs. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=1802666&mpre=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D230076776270 Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 12:33 am:    John, if that's original, they must put the wrong scratch plate on it. I somehow doubt it being genuine. Ibanez had a Jnr single cut with two P90's. Maybe someone else has some more info?? Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 1:21 am:    2335. Now BACK OFF!!!!!! Paul Harry Username: Harry Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 2:06 am:    Hi all Yep! Paul is right. Itīs a 2335 and I just made a new discovery, because this is actually the first one with an open book headstock, allthough the serial number starts with C76. I have one in my collection too (see added picture) and itīs a nice addition (soundwise) to the well-known humbucker Les Paul replicas. Go for it, Paul! Lots of successssss! Hereīs mine: Harry Harry Username: Harry Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 2:12 am:    Forgot: The scratchplate on my 2335 is the original one. Paul, if you win the guitar I will send you a template (and a jigsaw ) Harry Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 4:47 am:    www.backandforth.nl http://www.backandforth.nl/scratchplates.html LP4-B ₮5.40 Ginger Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 6:10 am:    Beautiful looking guitar there Harry. Never seen one of these before. My pocket money ran out over Xmas, so no competition here, Paul. Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 1:02 pm:    All's fair on eBay guys. Altough I'd like to have this one, the smiley was serious. Harry, Thanks for the offer. We'll see. Paul. Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 2:33 pm:    Not 100% sure yet but for now I believe this guitar is a modded 2350. Thus originally wearing humbuckers. The top looks like a refin to back that up. Paul Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 5:12 pm:    I agree, doesn't look right. Looks like several things have been changed... least of which is the pickups... looks to me no doubt it was definately an original humbucker guitar that's been toyed with. P-90 fitment seems off, etc. If anyone bids, bid accordingly, definately no competition here! Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 4:07 am:    Paul, I Think it would be pretty difficult to mod as the P90 is butted up to the neck. That would mean a fill in area on the bridge side of the pup. Are these a ply laminate top the same as a 2350?? That would be a lot of work. I have doubts about the scratch plate and the neck could be a replacement, but to alter the body like that would be major work. What does Harry think on such a matter? Harry Username: Harry Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 6:54 am:    If you look carefully you might think that the routing for the bridge pickup is too wide, but that's the reflection of the upper side of the P90 (compare with the reflection of the bridge). I fully agree with Snowjays: to take a 2350 with humbuckers and alter it to P90 pups would be an almost impossible job (because of the plywood top) if you would have it done right. You never get that done without scars. And why would anybody bother? It would cost a fortune to have the job done perfectly by a luthier! If I would insist on altering the guitar myself I'd choose the most logical and cheapest way and mount the P90 with (eventually home made) mounting rings to cover up the gaps. My belief on this one: original, except for the scratchplate, which is one for a humbucker Les Paul. Kind greetz, Harry Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 7:24 am:    I don't think its a refin/rout job either. Lets face it, who would bother doing such a thing on what is essentially a cheap Les Paul copy. Would have been a good idea to have mailed him and asked the question though. If he'd posted a response on the auction then it may have been just enough to put some potential buyers off the scent. Too late now with only 12 hours to go. Bid away. six Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 7:37 am:    Whad'ya say guys? http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=1802666&mpre=ht tp%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D270079673308 six Harry Username: Harry Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 8:02 am:    It's a pre-serial model 2341 without the pickup covers (or maybe even 3 replacement pups) and without a scratch plate. The tuners are replacements too. It is defenitely NOT a 2350 with an added middle pickup, because in that case the original bridge pickup would have been closer to the bridge and there would be a little space between the bridge/middle and between the neck/middle pickup. In case of this auction guitar you see that all three pickups are mounted against to each other, without space, causing the bridge pickup to be mounted further away from the bridge as on the regular Les Paul models. Harry Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 10:20 am:    Bridge pickup is a Seymore Duncan (can read that much in the picture detail). Can't see anything on the other two... they definately could have swapped all or swapped the bridge pickup and pulled the covers on the others so they'd match. 2341 with swapped pickups. Back to the P-90 guitar... To anyone who's got one, is the routing that off compared to pickup size? I've looked very closely at the picture Harry and it looks bad off to me compared to the size of that particular soapbar pup. I'm just a little shocked if that's original, that doesn't look to be the same level of craftmanship of ANY of the 70's Ibanez guitars I've bought. I mean,I don't have the guitar in front of me to check out, so we're just going on a couple pictures and the guy's word. I'm not even saying it wasn't a P-90 guitar originally, just saying it doesn't look right IMHO. Actually one of my P-90's was swapped in my LP Jr. and it is not exactly the same size as the original... slightly off... however with the dogear style P-90's it is impossible to tell if you couldn't catch the pole spacing being slightly different (we're talking one or two milimeters off). Hmm... I've got a super 70's P-90 that seems to be (based on wire length) a neck pickup in my parts bin... maybe I should be interested in it, lol. Have you guys seen (or do you own) anything with lawsuit headstock and 76 serial numbers? I know it is early so I haven't even questioned that with you guys, but it'd be a first for anything I've seen I believe. I'm more familiar with 77 and 78 being as most of mine are from those years though, so fill me in folks, you guys know more than I do... While in search for a P-90 Ibanez I bid on a few of these before myself, but none of them looked like this one in several regards. Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 10:28 am:    I was looking at the guitar some more... what I'm seeing may be an effect/direct result of this being the only bolt-neck one of these I've seen semi-decent pictures of. I expect that's what it is. Just realized that, sorry guys! My other questions still stand though about the headstock and whatnot, I'm curious being as I've collected/played vintage Ibanez guitars for about 7 years now. Harry Username: Harry Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:31 am:    Hi Goat Yes, I have several "open book" headstock Ibanez guitars that have a ī76 serial number. I own a D76 and even an F76 that have the old headstock shape (both Les Paul models). In general we assume that there still were many of these "old necks" in stock by the time Hoshino decided to change the shape in order to avoid problems with Gibson but on the other hand that they thought it would be a pity to just throw these necks away. So they kept on going to use these necks until the supplies were out. And about the routing of that bridge P90: I enlarged the picture of the auction and brightened it up, so you can see that I was right about it being the reflection and shadow of the pickup. The routing is okay. I admit that it could have done a little better, but itīs definitely not a routing for a former humbucker that might have been in there. Harry Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 3:25 pm:    Guys, I received some hi res pictures from the seller (before I posted my doubts here) and I am sure the top is a refin. There are paint runners between the control knobs and under the tailpiece. The surface of the guitar also looks altered around the pups. After I receieved the pics I asked the seller some more questions about it and I never got a pic of the electronics which I did ask. There's still time but so far I did not get a reply. We'll see. Paul Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 7:43 pm:    Well, I guess we'll never know, unless the buyer is among us. I ended up being runner up after the seller reassured me the guitar is not mocked up. Still have my doubts though... Paul Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 8:10 pm:    My word, it went for more than the set-neck black Les Paul Standard I bought two months ago!!! Which, interestingly enough, looks quite a bit like this (link at bottom of post) fellow's umm... trying to figure out how to say this nicely... overpriced Standard... only with many more original parts and perhaps in a little rougher condition but nothing terrible. Did I just get another excellent deal on a set-neck a couple months back? I figured under $450US was pretty good for a standard... but I've seen a few deluxe 59ers going for over $500US in the past month (with nice flamed tops and good sunbursts). Was mine just a poorly listed auction perhaps? Seller (a guitar shop) did not mention the neck in the title and it was described as "Les Paul Style" or something to that effect in the title. I seem to have hijacked a thread, but seeing as the item has ended, I don't feel so terrible, lol. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=1802666&mpre=ht tp%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D160061974892 P.S. - Good luck to the new owner whoever they may be! May their "new" guitar be every bit as legitimate as their hairpiece (we'll hope the new owner isn't balding in this case). Lespaul Username: Lespaul Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 5:51 pm:    Goat, Can you post some pics of your setnecks here? Paul Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 2:25 pm:    Sure thing, I'll take some better ones in the next few days! The black Standard is in good players shape, not really a super clean collector due to a few finish issues but still one I'm quite proud to own. The Custom is quite clean aside from the one swapped humbucker. Got my new camera now (new to me anyway), I'll snap a few more pictures with it of the LP set-necks. Both the standard and custom are 77 models.

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