Ibanez 2630 vs as200

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Author Message   Makisono Username: Makisono Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 2:06 pm:    could anyone help me with the prices of this guitar? what is the difference between as 200 and 2630, also in price?   Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 9-2005 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 2:13 am:    2630 just sold on ebay for $1200.00. jazzz   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 3:03 am:    Which in my mind is a little expensive for a 2630. Expect to pay more for a decent AS200. The main difference is the sizing. The body on the 2630 is full 335 shape so larger than the AS200 shape. The AS200's are very comfy guitars to play. They sit nice and feel more like a solid around your neck than a semi (size wise). Construction is similar but to my ears the AS200 is a tad more pleasing. The coil switching is slightly different. Can't remember which pickup taps on each guitar. Someone here will know. The 2630 normally carries Super 80's where as the AS200 is loaded with Super 58's. These are a nicer sounding pickup but not perfect (to my ears). six   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:39 am:    Pricing depends a lot on the condition of the instrument, demand for a specific model, and location (i.e. country) of the sale. There are more AS200's out there since its run lasted almost 20 years in various forms (Artist then Artstar models). The 2630 was only a run of two or three years (1978 & 1979?) as best I can recall. Some view the 2630 as more of a 'vintage' piece, with price determined by the market...but it boils down to personal preference since the two models are very close cousins. Pickups are different, as pointed out, but that is always an easy mod on any guitar. Plus Super 58's are still made...while Super 80's are considered vintage to some. Pricing for the Japan made early 2630 and AS200's bring a higher selling price than later Korean made Artstar AS200 models. Sorry for the vague response, but so much depends on what you are willing to spend and what your needs are. A decent late model Artstar can be had for around $500. A decent AS200 or 2630 can fetch between $1,000 - $1,500. And prices are increasing slowly and steadily as we've noticed over the last few years.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 11:37 am:    As far as I know there never was a Korean Artstar AS200. Cort didn't make type numbers over 120. That goes for AS and AF models. As far as I know all AS180, AS200 and AF207 Artstar models were Made In Japan. A 2000 Artstar AS200 had a list price of $2099.99 There's no way you will find that for $500.- An Artstar AS80 or an early (Samick made) AS120 perhaps, but nobody sells under 25% of the list price unless it's a thief. Ginger   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 12:11 pm:    Ginger~ I stand corrected. My mix-up was due to the similar Korean AS120 that does sell for considerably less than the vaunted MIJ AS200 models. Makisono was apparently not interested in those lesser models. That's what I get for trying to 'shoot from the hip'.   Blues Username: Blues Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 4:52 pm:    Less than 1 year ago two Ibanez 2630's sold for over $2K each, on eBay. BLUES   Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 9-2005 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 6:36 pm:    THE 2630 was only made for two years, its vintage now, by todays standards, now that the guy from RACER X , ( cant think of his name,) is playing one, and is telling the world how much he loves this thing, ( the 2360) expect to pay more, i think $1200 was a good price, cheers, jazzz   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 6:44 pm:    $2K each??? Could be the result of shill bid competition. These are Russelw's data on the 2630: Model No. Description Year Price Condition 2630 Artist (AV) 1978 895 8 2630 Artist (AV) 1979 900 7 2630 Artist (AV) 1977 560 8 2630 Artist (AV) 1978 825 8 2630 Artist (AV) 1978 760 9 2630 Artist 1978 810 8 2630 Artist 1978 950 9 2630 Artist 1977 1167 9 2630 Artist 1977 918 9 2630 Artist 1978 821 9 2630 Artist 1979 882 9 2630 Artist 1979 757 9 2630 Artist 1980 620 9 2630 Artist 1978 1230 9 2630 Artist 1978 1000 8 2630 Artist 1979 981 8 2630 Artist 1978 986 9 And these on the AS200 (VINTAGE ONLY so 20 year or older!!!) Model No. Description Year Price Condition AS200 Artist 1980 986 8 AS200 Artist (AV) 1981 1150 9 AS200 Artist (AV) Scofield 1980 765 9 AS200 Artist (AV) 1981 721 7 AS200 Artist (AV) 1981 810 8 AS200 Artist (BS) 1981 1000 8 AS200 Artist (AV) 1980 830 8 AS200 Artist (AV) 1979 980 9 AS200 Artist 1980 1525 9 AS200 Artist 1980 900 8 AS200 Artist 198x 1128 9 AS200 Artist 1979 981 9 AS200 Artist 1983 1469 9 AS200 Artist 1981 1019 9 AS200 Artist 1982 896 9 AS200 Artist 1980 1450 9 AS200 Artist 1979 856 8 AS200 Artist 1981 630 9 AS200 Artist 1982 1065 9 AS200 Artist 1982 1275 9 AS200 Artist 1979 1158 9 AS200 Artist 1979 1453 9 AS200 Artist 1981 1350 9 AS200 Artist 1986 901 9 I love them both: when you see them you know you're looking at a piece of history. But as a player, I'm already satisfied with my AS120 which I completed with a bound tortoise pickguard, which the former owner of one of my The Pauls had put on the 1978 Gibby. It was too big, really jazz size, so there was a risk of breaking it, when I played sitting on the sofa or a stool. I think it's a Gibson pickguard. It's really thick and heavy and there's no binding between the pickup cavities. So the sound is right (Super 58's), the looks are right (neck inlays, sunbust colour aged binding and bound tortoise pickguard [I found the single ply black pickguard a misfit]), the feel is right and... the price was right. But in other financial circumstances I would perhaps have set more snobistic standards. But when I read that a fellow collector who owned an orange label Gibson ES-335 guitar finds the same AS120 better sounding than his Gibby (after a tone capacitor mod), I'm glad I did it this way. I'm satisfied with the sound as it is, so I didn't modify anything. And I still have the original black pickguard. At the moment 2K is out of the question. I've got other priorities and I think it's overpaid. Beautiful, but overpaid. Ginger   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 2:17 am:    Hey, that hurts, talking down my 2630's value. I was the guy who won the Ebay bidding on the aforementioned 2630 in the wee hours of the morning Tuesday. At $1200, I got it for less than my maximum bid and much less than I expected it to sell for. I didn't think that I would get it -- in fact, I really could not afford it -- but I just could not let it go too cheaply, so I dropped in a bid at the last minute. I think that most of the prices that Ginger cites are not current enough to reflect current values. Appreciation for this model is just beginning to take off now, perhaps in part because it has become Paul Gilbert's favorite: Scofield has been playing his AS200 forever. The 2630 has advantages over the AS200, including more of the 335's acoustical potential and a somewhat chunkier neck -- if you like that (and I do). My sense is that the price was low. Jazzzbo explains it well: "THE 2630 was only made for two years, its vintage now, by todays standards, now that the guy from RACER X , ( cant think of his name,) is playing one, and is telling the world how much he loves this thing, ( the 2360) expect to pay more, i think $1200 was a good price, cheers, jazzz" I think it sold low because the auction was limited to US buyers, with discouraging words to Canadians about shipping. And it closed in the middle of the night. Many of us older guys are in bed here on the East Coast by 1 a.m. One recently sold on Ebay for about $1750, and it was not anywhere near as pretty as this one. So, far, at least, the majority seems to favor me. Thanks, Guitartim, Blues, and Jazzzbo (and I make four). Anyway, I am looking forward to wrestling with this beast. I wish I could afford to keep it but probably will have to sell it in a little while -- when the wife finds out about it. But, oh, we'll have some fun 'til then.... Chris   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 10:06 am:    Chris~ I too believe you got a very good deal on your 2630...based on the current market. Enjoy it as long as you can. They are great guitars. Oh, and if you do decide to sell it, place an ad here in the free classified section. Then stand back and watch the feeding frenzy.   Makisono Username: Makisono Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:12 am:    thank you guys very much for the answers. A guy who lives 15km away from me is selling one 2630 for 1200e. I have always looked for as 200 but couldnt find anyone near to try it. tomorow im going to try it. is it true that 2630 has more acustic sound than as200? cheers   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 2:14 pm:    Thanks, Tim. Yes, that often-cited RussellW data is getting quite dated. That was compiled years ago. Meanwhile, even posts from four years ago were saying that these 2630s should be in the $1200-$1400 range soon. Hi, Makisono. As for the acoustic properties of the 2630 vs. the AS200 -- I don't know yet. The body of the 2630 is more along the lines of a 335, deeper and broader than the relatively "dinky" AS200. I assume that the larger chambers will give the 2630 more -- the phrase I used was "acoustic potential." Whether a 2630 has a more "acoustic sound" than an AS200 or depends on more than the chambering, though. String guage and electronic choices will play a role. Sausage-fingered Scofield uses .013 guage on his AS200 -- too heavy for me and my long, delicate digits. Meanwhile, Paul Gilbert replaced the pickups on his 2630 (saving the originals, I presume) with Dimarzios. The Super 80s were perhaps too "bright" --some might say "brittle" or "clear" -- for his taste. I am wondering if the clarity of Super 80s is in fact a good match for this body, though, even if they do not balance out too well in a solid body Artist. My instinct tells me that this guitar, even if set up with lighter guage strings, still has the potential to sound better than an AS200. Bringing out all of that potential might require an pickup change. I would have to ponder whether I wanted to take that step, especially since I probably will be compelled to sell this guitar soon: I am quite serious about my concern for my wife's reaction when she sees yet another guitar in my office, one on which I spent $1245 (with shipping)... Cheers! Chris   Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 5-2005 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 3:26 pm:    Chris, I echo Tim's commments. Congratulations - it looks like you got a beauty. I would have gladly spent that amount to get a guitar in that kind of shape. Hope you're enjoying your "new" axe! Darryl   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 6:55 pm:    I said 2K was overpaid, not the $1200.- $1200.- is good. I know Russelw's data is about 1 year old. So there has been some inflation but not 100%. Congrats Cdarwincole! Don't worry, you paid a good price for a good guitar. Ginger   Blues Username: Blues Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 7:25 pm:    QUESTION: What might you expect to pay for an Ibanez 2630 from your local MUSIC DEALER/STORE in: _U.S.A. _Canada _Austraila _Europe _Great Britian _Japan _Brazil BLUES   Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 9:12 pm:    I bought mine used in the mid-eighties for $250 in San Francisco. Sold it in 2005 to an ICW member in Florida for $1,000. I like it better than the two AS200's I have owned. In today's terms, I think they should fetch more than a comparable AS200 due to its older vintage and rarity. ...but what do I know!   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 10:07 pm:    That's a beauty, Acetan! That the AS200 has fetched more than the 2630 until now is probably because the NAME AS200 is more often used as a search word, thanks to John Scofield. I have never seen a second hand AS200 or 2630 in a shop. When I see them, it's mostly at outdoor jazz festivals. They are keepers. Ginger   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 9:10 am:    Thanks, Darryl and Ginger. I am looking forward to its arrival, for sure. Maybe I am thinking of the wrong data, Ginger. There had been a data list that looked like that one circulating for years. I guess that even if the lateset version is only a year old, much of the data on it is likely to be many years old. Anyway, these 2630s seem to be making a big upward move lately for all the reasons cited in this thread. Hey, Blues, you are not by any chance Blues Saraceno, are you? If so, I was in a band with your Dad some 20 years ago. Remember Ray DeChamplain's shop, Creative Strings, in Newington (his first location, before the disasterous merger and move)? That is where I first met you two. You were still a little guy then. You and I exchanged some email about a year ago. On the other hand, if you are not...er...yourself, my apologies. I have no idea what these would sell for at a music shop anywhere. They are pretty rare. In a rational world, they would go for more than a top-of-the-line Gibson 335 of the best vintage, whatever that is. Chris   Blues Username: Blues Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 6:29 pm:    Chris, Sorry, I'm not Blues Saraceno, although I have met him and his dad on a few occassions. IMO - Blues Saraceno is a great guitar player! Somewhere in an old, old thread it was mentioned that most vintage 70's - early 80's Ibanez guitars could be obtained at reasonable prices up until the time vintage dealers became interested in them. This is not to put down dealers in any way. I'm just reporting what I and a few others noticed back then. Hey, good for us collectors there was a time when most vintage dealers ignored Ibanez guitars. I'm saying this because I believe the vintage dealers had a part is raising the price of vintage Ibanez guitars & basses. BLUES   Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 9-2005 Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 8:20 pm:    IM seeing a 2630 bidding now at about $1450 or so, I think once you get your hands on one of these babies, your gonna wanna keep it and bail on something else, good goin chris !! jazzz   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 11:36 pm:    Yes, Blues is great. And to think that I actually taught him a few riffs when he was a squirt.... He's a nice guy, too, as was Alex, his Dad. Alex is into the boutique peadal business now. Yep, I see that 2630, Jazzz. Ebay auction 250094565631, aka Ebay Item #250094565631 It's up to $1500 now with nearly 4 days to go. It does seem to have have the original pickguard. That's worth something. But that wouldn't be a $300 extra, would it? Be interesting to see where this ends up. Chris   Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 12:39 am:    Oh man, mine was in better shape than this one.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 11:15 am:    I bought a 2630 from Blues. It was possibly the best guitar I have ever owned. I sold it because it was too big for me. For me, the smaller AM series works better. mk   Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:10 pm:    They are too big for me also. In fact even the AS100/200 are a bit big. I ended up selling all of them but hanged on to the AS50 for a bit longer. Nowadays, I only have AM's.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 12:11 pm:    Yes - the AS50 works for me too. Somewhat between the AM series and AS100/200 in size. mk   Makisono Username: Makisono Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 7:43 pm:    ok i bought it!!!! the best guitar i have ever played, so rich, warm, woody, versatile and it cuts thru. the owner was selling it for 1200e but i didnt have enought money. he probably saw i got in love at a first sight and i almost started crying because i couldnt afford it. eventually he sold it to me for 1000e. i tried it today with the band and on monday im taking it to studio.im the happiest person now. thank you M....if you are reading this. maki   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 8:24 pm:    Congratulations, Makisono! It sounds like you got a phenomenal deal. Post some pictures when you get a chance, please. Mine still has not arrived, and I have not heard from the seller since immediately aafter my payment. I'm getting a bit antsy. I had an AS50. I sold it a couple of years ago. Great guitar. I have to say that I prefer the neck on my AM205, though. It feels a lot like my Carvin DC400AT, which has the best neck for my hands of anything I've ever tried. Chris   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 2:06 pm:    Can or will anyone here tell me how to get in touch with ManiacMike (aka Ebay I.D. "eyebonez") other than email? It will soon be a month since I paid for my 2630. I have heard nothing from him since over a week ago, when he apologized profusely for the long delay and promised immediate shipment. I have sent him a bunch of messages, but he has not responded. Help!   Munch Username: Munch Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 7:29 pm:    Hi Harold (Blues), In response to your question about Shop prices for 2630's in Australia, I would expect to see $1,800 - $2,400 AUD. Cheers, Munch   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 8:51 am:    Cdar, drop me a line , I have his home address   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 11:05 am:    For the record: Maybe two weeks ago, I got another message from Mike Graves (aka "Eyebonez") profusely apologizing, once again, and promising that I would have my 2630 by Wednesday, April 11. Well, here it is, a week and a day later and guess what. Still no guitar. No new messages. No nuttin'. Meanwhile, I have bought and sold stuff based partly on the implications of this purchase. I am a very sad lad.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 8:39 am:    This seems very strange. Very strange indeed. Just for the record, I'd be pretty pissed off by now and would not be at all bothered who I was upsetting either. six   Revlimitbounce Username: Revlimitbounce Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:06 am:    I agree with Sixvsix; that's a preposterous scenario, even if he's a friend.   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:15 am:    All we really have in this life is our good name and reputation. Once that is gone, what's left?   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 4:07 pm:    This is a repeat of a message I put in another thread, but... Thanks for all the advice. I am pretty sure I have been dealing with the real Mike Graves. His PayPal address was verified, and he seemed to know too much about vintage Ibanez guitars to be an interloper, and the few messages that I got from him, spread out as they were, had a consistent tone of guilt and anxiety that seemed genuine, very unlike that of scammers who have tried their vile craft on me in the past. Anyway, whatever excuses he might have, they are -- at this juncture -- not good enough. I will do my best to warn other potential buyers about him on every site that I can. Thanks again. Chris   Blues Username: Blues Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 12:10 am:    Munch, Possible dealer price of $1800 - $2400 AUD for a 2630 in Austraila. What's that in US dollars? Do you think it's a fair price? BLUES   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 7:01 am:    Blues Use this to work out the latest exchange rate: http://www.xe.com/ucc/ six   Cdarwincole Username: Cdarwincole Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 10:24 am:    I just got a message from PayPal saying that they had concluded their investigation, found in my favor, and will be refunding my money. What sucks is that (1) I have lost two months of interest/investment oportunity (2) I have made other buying and selling decisions based upon this purchase, (3) and I lost a lot of time and hair follicles over this, neither of which I have in any great abundance. Michael Graves, you are a liar and a cheat, and you should be shunned by anyone who reads this post!   Slide_advantage Username: Slide_advantage Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 1:59 am:    Reading these recent posts on the great 2630 has gotten my blood going again! I picked mine up in a local pawn shop for a mere $500 about 3 years ago, spent another $400+ rewiring it and setting it up properly and the result is the best guitar I have ever owned or played (hands down). I will never sell this one!   Slide_advantage Username: Slide_advantage Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 2:03 am:    I meant to add that pics of mine can be seen (again) at: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/jagremusic/album/57646 0762318580033   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 3:26 am:    "spent another $400+ rewiring it and setting it up properly" What exactly did they do with it for $400.-? What materials and or special techniques (like PLEK) were used and how many hours were spent on it? Because $400.- is a lot of money. Ginger   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 9:53 am:    Hey Slide~ Nice 2630. I really like your burst. It shows more of the grain vs. the usual dark bursts on others. Like Ginger asked, what was done to run up the cost on your instrument? Tim   Slide_advantage Username: Slide_advantage Registered: 9-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 6:26 pm:    WHoever previously owned it screwed the wiring up in a big way, and he had to go in and basically rewire the entire guitar. Now that I think about it, there was a fret dressing job in those costs too. The fret wear wasn't too bad, but he had to smooth them out to eliminate fret buzz. I really wish I had the pick guard with it. AT least it has the original case, which is in excellent condition for the age. I get the idea that the prior owner didn't gig much with it. I doubt he left the house with it at all.

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