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Author Message   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:28 pm:    Ebay Item #300118591437 Always nice to see one. A lovely shallow jazz guitar. Just the years mentioned are B.S. The fact that there is a production number on the label ( 4137 ), means that it is certainly NOT PRE-1975. If you look at the shape of the headstock, you see that it has already been adapted in order to avoid further legal problems with Gibson. I think it was made in the end of 1975 or the beginning of 1976. Look at the headstock inlay in this 2399 from 1976. http://www.break-even.org/ibanez/imagesibanez/ImBL a/la2399.jpg If you look at the same guitar in the 1975 part of the same website, you see the open book headstock and if you look at the name of the file, you'll see that that's actually a 1974. The thinking error the seller made, is that he looked at what he could NOT find (a serial number with a month and date). But he should have looked at what he COULD find: the headstock, the pickups (no flat pole pieces). I guess that when the decision to give the guitars serial numbers was made, they hadn't quite figured out, HOW they were going to do it. So it was still a bit messy in the beginning. Historically an interesting phase. Ginger   Fffnnn Username: Fffnnn Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:38 pm:    Would this be a better made Guitar than one of the current Epi Elite Byrdlands guys ? I am tempted .... Jem   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 1:43 pm:    Well, it's from the Fuji Gen Gakki era. So, I expect it to be good. I don't know about the Epiphone Elitist series, except that they are MIJ too and that they are quite expensive. The collector's value of the vintage Ibanez makes it a better short-term investment IMO. I don't know how the prices of current Epiphones will develop when they become vintage. If something goes wrong in your personal/financial life, it's better to have spent the nearly 2K on vintage guitar than a recent one. But that has nothing to do with the quality of the Epi. Ginger   Johnm Username: Johnm Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 4:25 pm:    Interesting piece. I used to own one (the only guitar I still regret selling). It had a sort of flowerish inlay on the headstock and the tailpiece was open without the Japanes symbol. Beautiful guitar.   Pitchpocket Username: Pitchpocket Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 12:45 pm:    He forgot to mention that the bridge has been screwed to the top with two screws. I'm also a little concerned that he cropped the tips of the headstock out of the front and back photo of the headstock. This is where many older guitars have chips in the finish.   Pitchpocket Username: Pitchpocket Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 1:00 pm:    Interesting development. After the seller disclosed the two screws in the top holding the bridge in place, he got a top bid of only $918.55 (reserve not met). He re-listed and quickly got a buy it now from Europe for $1799. Overlooked detail by the buyer or does it matter that the thing has been drilled?

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