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Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 7:58 am: | |
A 175 copy on ebay.
I will be in the Oxford area so it might make me a good deal next week.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =330088208066
To me, that seems to be a 60's Ibanez guitar.
I wanted to ask, which year do you think it is, I can't find any catalogs with this one.
The headstock and the tailpiece are something I see on a Ibanez hollow body for the first time.
Any idea, which factory made that guitar?
Quality issues?
Any information is welcome.
thanks in advance. |
Hasy
Username: Hasy
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 9:46 am: | |
Hi Tristan
this one is one of the first series of 175er copies, built around 68/69 ! IBZ Metal Logo and the toggle switcher is on the "wrong side"
If you can bid, bid on them and pic them up ! If i could, i would like to fly to england, but......
If your not interessed :-) :-) Mail me offline please. Good luck - Hasy |
Wildfield
Username: Wildfield
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:10 am: | |
It's always hard to tell from photos, but the one in this ad seems to have the bridge adjusted very high. Both pickups are raised very high too, yet there seems to be a lot of space between the strings and the pickups. Again, it's hard to tell from the photo.
Have you asked the seller about the guitar - setup, string buzz, shape of the neck, etc?
Good luck and looking forward to hearing more about this guitar. |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:18 am: | |
I will try to do my best to have it.
maybe the fact that the seller is not willing to send will be on my advantage, and I'll be able to get it for a good price.
Any ideas about the factory the guitar comes from? is that Fujigen? maybe even Matsumoku?
What would you say about the quality of those instruments, comparing to the mid/late seventies es-175 copies? |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 5:49 pm: | |
IM not crZy about the color or the position markers on the fretboard, but , thats just me, maybe this is good for a collection, for me the 2355 is the real deal for a player,cheers, and good luck on this one, jazzz |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 5:53 pm: | |
The bridge pickup seems to be an original Maxon.
But what do you think about the neck pickup, Hasy? It looks different to me...
Ginger |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 11:38 am: | |
also, what do you think will be a reasonable price for this one? |
Hasy
Username: Hasy
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 6:05 pm: | |
Tristan
you bid on them ? The seller ad some info and the other 2 bidder cancel her bids. Are you stevenw4682 ? 10 £ aktually price - let me know, when your not able to pick them up. it breaks my heart, when she go to the wrong destination/person.
Ginger:
It looks like the same - the picture is to darken.
Price: the last one sold for 680 $ but for myself, they lower you can get, ...........
Hasy |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 6:05 pm: | |
I think it's not the same quality as the seventies 2355.
The fretboard and nut part for instance was dealt with by using a ZERO-fret. The original pickups were Maxons and IMO not as good as the Super 70's, which is probably the reason the neck pickup has been replaced, at least that's how it looks.
Since you are more of a player than a collector, I don't know what to advice you in this case, because it will have collectors value, but I don't know if the sound and playability will meet your standards Tristan. It's no AS180.
But what is it then? Is this an early version of the 2355 or did it have another type number?
When I look at the Sixties page of Harry's and Hasy's website, the last picture of a guitar with a ZERO-fret is a 1270 from 1967, it's the only guitar from 1967, so there's VERY little information about that year.
In 1968 we see something that looks like a Crest with an unknown model number, NO ZERO-fret and an open book headstock, same tuners as the ES-175 model on eBay.
In 1969 we see the first Barney Kessel 2356 and surprise: NO ZERO-fret!
So for now I come to the following HYPOTHESIS:
"The ES-175 model is probably one of the first 2355 models, and it was probably a late 1967 or an early 1968."
You know what, Tristan...
I think you should give it a go! I'm not going to mention a price, because that might inspire others to interfere. You must trust your gut feeling, because there is so little info available. I think the replacement neck pickup will give you a sound you like. I think it's some Seymour Duncan or something. If not, you can always replace the neck pickup only or two pickups (if the impedance is totally different, which is sometimes the case with Maxons humbuckers: I've measured resistance values of 125-525 KOhms on their Fender humbucker imitations). If the neck pickup and bridge pickup differ too much, you will have difficulty getting a good balance. So then you need to create a matched pair. You could for instance use two Super 70s or two Super 58's. If necessary I'll help you through it.
I think you have some idea about the price. Perhaps you must reserve €100.- for some second hand Ibanez pickups. But if you use the neck pickup only, that can wait.
I'd say "Go for it!"
Good luck,
Ginger |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 6:59 pm: | |
why hassle around with a guitar like this?? why not just get a good 2355 and play on i ask. cheers, jazzz |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 7:10 pm: | |
I think perhaps because I might get this one for 1/3 of the price of a 2355. or maybe a half of it.
anyways, if it turns out to be a bad one I will resell it.
but anyways, I do think I might get lucky with that. It might have nice wood, nice fretboard and nice tone.
We'll see, and thanks for the comments everyone.. |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 10:12 pm: | |
what im saying is that, perhaps for a few hundred dollars more, if you can afford it, you may luck out and get a decent 2355, in that case you wont have to worry about much except perhaps, action , set- up, etc, sometimes you get something thinking its a good deal but in the long run you have to invest more into it and then its hard to get the money back, ive been there, good luck- jazzz |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 3:51 am: | |
Jazzz, Tristan missed a MINTY 2355m with a €10.- difference. It went for €1110.-, which was $1440.- at that moment. If he can get what seems to be an early version of it for 1/3 there's not so much that could go wrong. Even when he has to replace both pickups he'd be ready for $580-660 that wouldn't be bad at all.
I explained that using a ZERO-fret was a way to let lower educated people make mass production guitars. There is also an advantage for the one who buys it: if you have to replace the nut, the filing of the slots is of no importance any more!
So you don't have to go to a luthier: all you have to deal with is the with of the nut and the spacing. You can buy it out of the box for 1 buck and install it yourself.
Ginger |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 3:59 am: | |
Oops: that's (nut) "width" not "with"! |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 8:52 am: | |
yeah that's right.
but I've learned over the years that you always get your money back, especially with Ibanez guitars.
and you know what, every time I sold something unintentionally it came with some profits on the side for me, you just have to give it the right presentation. |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 11:28 am: | |
Well, if you get your money back depends whether you manage to keep both feet on the ground while you're bidding. Remember what happened with Saltapaya's AM50 (cousin Wolfgang Amadeus Adams). Last thing I saw of it was an attempt to sell it with $600.- or $700.- loss. If he didn't sell it, he should start buffing the back of the headstock himself, as he suggested the bidders, because that body was gorgeous! I can understand, that he fell in love and that's when it becomes dangerous. Don't bid unless you have the prices in your head or a good value and cost analysis with the help of a winning bids database like Russelw's, old original pricelists to make comparisons with other models of that era, so that you know that for instance an AM50 was more affordable than the AM205 in the pre 1987 era and more affordable than the AM200 in the post 1986 era.
I hope you get it, and that manage to achieve the sound you're looking for.
We'll see if it was wise to inform your fellow members. The identity of the winner will be visible. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
It might help that no serial number was mentioned.
Ginger |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 12:17 pm: | |
Tristan, what do you think about this:
Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action / Explanation Date of Bid and Retraction
ton1357( 28Feedback score is 10 to 49) Retracted: GBP 40.00
Explanation: Seller changed the description of the item Bid: Feb-13-07 11:10:10 PST
Retracted: Feb-17-07 14:38:06 PST
fin2.5( 128Feedback score is 100 to 499) Retracted: GBP 50.00
Explanation: Seller changed the description of the item Bid: Feb-14-07 12:57:52 PST
Retracted: Feb-17-07 12:19:52 PST
?????????????????????????????????
Not very convincing IMO...
Was the bid just a way to continue negotiations by e-mail?
You could do the same of course, with a low bid. But you never know how the seller reacts. I guess your going for the snipe.
Ginger |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 1:24 pm: | |
I f im not mistaken i have seen some 2355 recently sell for around $800 and less on fleabay. seems a better option to get one of those on the cheap, and bail later if you dont like it, jazzz |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 3:43 pm: | |
If a 2355 goes under $1000.- it's because of issues or bad presentation. $800.- ???
You mean "bargains" like this Greco FA-750:
Ebay Item #160086518396
???????
I think he isn't fair about the Bradley. I saw Phatphred's Bradley, and it was exactly like my Ibanez 2355m, except for the logo. It was not "Inferior", just less known than mine.
The one Tristan is after also has a word on it, which sells better than "Greco" in Gibson typography.
Just wait and see, it could turn out surprisingly well.
Ginger |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 6:27 pm: | |
I got it for 170£, 252EUR or 331$, so cheap.
I will get it probably next week, we'll see.
But one thing is certain. As bad as she can be it's impossible that she doesn't worth 330$. |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 8:44 pm: | |
Allright Tristan!
Now the auction is binding, I can speak freely.
Something I could not emphasize too clearly in my reaction on Jazzz suggestions that you would do better buying a 2355:
I think THIS IS EITHER a 1453 or a 2355, but one of the first from 1967!
I don't think it was made by Fuji Gen Gakki, but perhaps by Guyatone or some other Japanese builder. If I had mentioned this two days ago, I don't know what would have happened. You could have got more competition which would have resulted in a higher price, or the seller could have read it and retracted the item, or set a reserve. Now you have it! You deserve it after getting outbid with 10 Euro on that 2355m. You wanted it so badly. I think you're going to have fun with this one. Historically it's a very interesting piece, and the sound could surprise you. You don't have to worry about replacing the neck pickup, because it looks like it has already been done. If this one sounds good, you could try to find an old Maxon neck pickup and keep it with the guitar in the case.
This will increase the collectors value. Technically you mustn't expect miracles from these pickups. But for about 20 Euros you could have it historically complete. (Meanwhile playing through the Duncan or whatever pickup is in it.)
If it's a 1453 the value with all original parts is not very different from the 2355.
Congrats and tell us about the sound!
Ginger |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 1:33 am: | |
We'll see about that.
The scary thing is that also yesterday I had an offer to buy a 70's Aria Charlie Christian (very rare, PE-190) which is basically an L5 copy for 700$.
Then I think that when I'll get both guitars, I will have to compare.
Maybe I'll even end up by selling this 1453/2355 and then it might come with some profits on ebay de.
I won't rush into it though, I have to hear it first.
But I'm NOT going to miss this Aria for THAT price.. |
Hasy
Username: Hasy
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 5:10 am: | |
Congratulation !
I`lle be jealous :-(
Take care of this old beauty !
Greets Hasy |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 1:20 pm: | |
BTW, I offered my 2355 burst, 1975? for sale here to some members at a very fair price, and no one took me up on it, now almost a year later i dont see that many of them as clean as mine, like i said, its money in the bank, cheers, jazzz |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 1:54 pm: | |
I remember.
and even if you don't have any rush into it, getting a camera for a few minutes just to shoot a few pictures will boost up any of your sales.
Normally without a picture I'm not even beginning to show signs of being a serious buyer.
Here for example, is an electric guitar that I bought a few months ago for my little sister as she wanted to play electric but it didn't work and she prefers an acoustic dreadnought.
To my surprise, those SX guitars which are being sold in the US for 100$ sell here in europe for 150 euro more or less.
but I beat the shit out of this guitar (I have another one which I play myself) and I gig with it and I get some amazing sounds. it's a great copy. and I'm not afraid to bang it against a wall..
anyways, forget the crappy introduction and check out the pics in that auction..
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=01 0&sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AIT&viewitem=&item=20008 1560567&rd=1&rd=1 |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:29 pm: | |
As i recall i did and have sent pictures to your and others, but i am not going to get my guitar out of storage and send more pics to looky loos, im glad your found a nice jazz box, cheers jazzz |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:38 pm: | |
well, I just asked to see at the time, but you didn't reply to my email, I even had some post about it here and I can look it up if you want..
but I wasn't saying that "you didn't send me pics you bastard".
I was just saying that in general for selling anything one should put some pics online, that's the way today second hand market works because there are so many options out there, that's all I was saying.. |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:41 pm: | |
HEY TRISTAN, lets keep it real here, you dont need to show your anger here, this is about guitars, jazzz |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:54 pm: | |
What?
You don't even seem to understand what I wrote?
read, man. I said that I wasn't implying on something such as "you didn't send me pics you bastard", but I actually meant that normally instruments sell better with pictures.
please don't try to make it more than it is and know that you're the last thing in the world that could provoke my anger. |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:01 pm: | |
TRISTAN, if you have anything to say to me , send me an email, lets keep it about guitars here , thats it, good day, jazzz |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:10 pm: | |
I'll give up the opportunity to continue a grotesque conversation with you. |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 6:25 pm: | |
AMEN! |
Tristan
Username: Tristan
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 6:32 pm: | |
HEY JAZZZZBO, if i were ur granma , i wouldve chased you with a slipper, thats it ,good night, trisss
;) |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 11:58 am: | |
TEE HEE, OK, LETS HEAR about your new jazz box , keep rockin, jazzz |
Sabeking
Username: Sabeking
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 9:27 pm: | |
Jazz, I thought you have been posting recently about how nice/good playing your 2355 is...
If so, couldn't you have taken pictures so the people that are/were interested in it seen the condition you are saying yours is in...
Stacey |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 10:27 pm: | |
hi, no, i was not talking recently about my 2355 , and for some reason, i cant get any pics to post here on the ibanez board, maybe its my old crummy mac???? jazzz |
Sabeking
Username: Sabeking
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 7:33 am: | |
Jazz, send the pics to me and I will post them for you...
Thanks,
Stacey |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 11:58 am: | |
Sabe. i will probably get the guitar out of storage as id like to use it on some cafe type gigs, when i do, ill take some pics and get back with you, the only ones i have rite now , are just two of the body, which i think i sent you awhile back, thanks, j |
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