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Author Message   Hazy Username: Hazy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:06 pm:    Just saw this one on The Bay. It's a lot like mine - color, year, plant - but he thinks the pickups are Super 58s. http://www.planbband.com/AS120_Front1.jpg Rick Ebay Item #120107437979   Benito1300 Username: Benito1300 Registered: 9-2005 Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:14 pm:    What pickups are are actually in it?   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:11 pm:    Non-wax potted Super 50's. They give microphonic feedback. Hazy puts them in the deep-fryer with wax. Ginger   Hazy Username: Hazy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:44 pm:    All pickups are microphonic to some degree and the Super 58s are no different. It depends on whether they have been potted or not and then how much gain is used in the signal that slaps the amp. A non-wax potted XXX pickup would have much less chance and instance of microphonic feedback when running directly to a say '65 Fender DR amp as opposed to running into a Mesa triple recto after a Boss DS-1. Depending on the signal to the preamp, I can make any pickup squeal or not. Saying that Super 50s are microphonic and implying that Super 58s are not is not accurate because all pickups are microphonic to some degree and it's brought out or not by the signal. The SD Seth Lover pups are not wax potted by design and they may or may not squeal. They're also some of the best sounding pickups ever, IMHO. Rick Rick   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 11:04 pm:    You were less enthusiastic about them before your deep-frying project, Rick! But I'm glad it worked out so fine. Ginger   Hazy Username: Hazy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 8:06 am:    Ginger, I always loved the tone of the pickups but I hate microphonics no matter where they turn up. I have a G&L Bluesboy that had a microphonic bridge pup, the MFD pickup. I wax potted it also to make it stage-ready. My low enthusiasm for the pups pre-fryer was only because of the great tone that I couldn't turn loose. I'd love to get an IBZ with S-58s but I doubt that they would sound better than the S-50s. Rick   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:05 am:    Hazy~ I also have a really sweet Bluesboy that squeals like a stuck piggy on stage if pushed too hard. But how do you wax pot the bridge MFD single coil p'up? I was considering swapping it out for a SD hot rail.   Hazy Username: Hazy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:44 pm:    Guitartim: I'm at work now...I'll get back later tonight and pull up one of the threads that Ginger was talking about regarding the frying pan wax potting - my late night scotch experiment. I took a lot of pictures and can show you how to fix it if you'd like to try it yourself. Rick   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:44 pm:    Hazy and Ginger: According to Jim Donahue, the Samick Super 50s were generic Samick pickups. Meaning that they were not made to any Ibanez specs. They would also have been used in other Samick-made guitars. They are wax potted, just not very well. When semi-hollow production shifted to Cort, they were doing a better job of wax potting their own pickups. Eventually, the pickups were actually made to an Ibanez authorized spec that allowed them to call them "Super 58s". How long between the start of Cort production and the solidifying of the Super 58 spec, I don't know. Contrary to what has been stated (many times), the shift from Samick to Cort was not because of a quality issue with Samick. It was because Samick decided to bite the hand that was feeding them. Hoshino retaliated to an insulting ad campaign by pulling all production from Samick. At the time, Cort was only making some solid-body EX guitars. But they got the orders. In the beginning, Cort did not have the capacity to match the same level of production as Samick. Eventually, Cort got up to speed and the rest is history.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 5:12 pm:    That must have been something in the style, Yoo Loong did with their cars: "You are driving the wrong car!" (You paid too much). But this Taiwanese car manufacturer used motors from NISSAN. You may guess what NISSAN did. Right: no more motor supply, no more Yoo Loong cars. All sold cars were taken back at a full refund. If Samick said something equal ("You're playing the wrong guitar! You can get a guitar from the same manufacturer at a fraction of the cost with the name VANTAGE on it..."), and you can BUY the distributors that is selling both IBANEZ and VANTAGE (Serlui for example), Samick needs a lot of time to set up new distribution channels for their own brand. Vantage lost its position (nr. 1 in 1994) in acoustic steel string sales because of this. The second hand Vantage guitars seem to be boycotted by the Ibanez dealers. They give very low prices if you want to trade them. Guitars that sold only 200 guilders under the Ibanez price ($100.-) do 70-95 euros. So, that's 22-30%, which is NOT a fair trade price. A special "trade mark" of the Vantage Superstrat models was the "spoon cut cutaway" in combination with a 24 fret neck. I bought a second hand one for my normal scale baritone experiment (b to B tuning) starting with .011 b and ending with an extra heavy 6th string (I believe something between .052 and .058). The guitar is not bad at all, but the leftover Fender 6th seems to have some corrosion between the core and the windings. I just wanted to prove that you don't need a longer scale for a baritone. I'll replace the Fender string by a d'Addario when I feel like it. Selling the guitar is absolutely not interesting. I'd rather give it to my boys. Ginger   Hazy Username: Hazy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 9:44 pm:    Johns, Thanks. I didn't have a clue about the two different plants or the transition to Cort. So, are you saying that Samick tried to undercut IBZ by selling re-branded guitars at lower prices but used the same parts as the IBZ counterparts? Rick   Fffnnn Username: Fffnnn Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 8:28 am:    Hey Rick, what guitar have you got the SD Seth Lover in ? I'm thinking of putting one in the neck of my Cort AF120 I'm trying to warm up the tone for jazz ... it's quite bright at the moment on an already bright guitar. will this work do you reckon ? Jem   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 8:57 am:    Rick, these guitars were not re-branded. Samick acquired the old Matsumoku brand name Vantage and produced guitars under this brand name in Korea, like they produced Ibanez guitars. They were distributed through the same distributor(s), which was no problem. But if they said in their Vantage campaign that Ibanez customers were better off buying Vantage because Hoshino/Ibanez would be ripping off their customers, I can imagine that Hoshino said "Our partnership ends here". And strangled Vantage/Samick's distribution. Ginger   Hazy Username: Hazy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 11:31 am:    Fffnnn, I have the Seth Lover in the neck position of a G&L Bluesboy and I think that it would work very well in the Cort. The Seth Lover pickup is a very vintage sounding pickup and I love it in the neck position...very woody and balanced. Ginger, Thanks. The whole Samick/Cort thing is a gray area for me. Rick   Fffnnn Username: Fffnnn Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 1:43 pm:    Does the bluesboy with the Seth Lover in the neck sound anything like Ed Bickert's Tele with the Humbucker ? Its a great sound he's got

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