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Simonarg
Username: Simonarg
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 2:46 pm: | |
hi to all,please i need a little help here
I m about to buy a spare pickup for my Af86,
in ebay (argentina) someone is selling a vintage super 70 pickup with a "26511" stamped in the back. it is a real super 70 or a fake? its a good mic or its better to save a little and a Di marzio Paf classic??
thanks to all for the replies and what a great comunity!
here is the link
http://www.deremate.com.ar/accdb/viewItem.asp?IDI=13174983#qer |
Simonarg
Username: Simonarg
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:46 pm: | |
wow! this topic is very popular!! |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:51 pm: | |
Simonarg:
They look like authentic Super 70s to me. It's hard to get the sense of the auction if you don't understand the language. |
Simonarg
Username: Simonarg
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 4:58 pm: | |
johns you are very kind for answer my question, the super 70 its better than Di marzio Paf classic, in your opinion
thanks!! |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 6:19 pm: | |
Super 70s are good, but their pole piece spacing is "one size fits all", but your string spacing is different in the neck and bridge position.
If you keep it just as a spare, the Super 70 can be used in both positions, so instead of the ACH1 or the ACH2.
The spacing on the Japanese (metric) pickups is 10.0 mm pole center to pole center, the spacing of American pickups is different. The old ones have a "one (inch) size fits all" spacing, the modern matched pairs have Rear and Front spacings. So, if you want to improve your sound by buying other pickups, take measurements of the exact string spacings in both Rear (bridge) and Front (neck) position first, and compare them to the pole piece spacing of the desired pickups. If the center of the individual pole pieces are exactly under the individual strings you get the ideal magnetic flux under each string. If this is not the case, don't expect too much improvement, since the signal depends on the flux change when you pick a string. Ibanez Super 70s and Super 58s are good metric pickups. I never tried Super 80s, but I guess they're OK too.
$55.= for a used pickup is not a real bargain, but not unreasonable. I've seen them for €23.= a pair but also for $70.= a piece.
Mostly we would buy Super 70s to restore a vintage guitar, because we are playing collectors and collecting players. For improvement of an Artcore AF86, I would choose a Super 58, which is still available at the dealer's. That would be historically more correct and make at least one collector happy. I think the sound of the Super 58 is even better. It 's a more developed less microphonic PU.
But I haven't got any idea of the price of a new (or second hand) Super 58, but just consider it, while the money is still in your pocket.
You wouldn't want a 200x guitar with a 70s sound!
You are already considering buying a DiMarzio!
I'd go for a 58!
Ginger |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 6:29 pm: | |
Here's a pair that was sold 3 days ago for $107.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ibanez-guitar-pickups-Super-58-set_W0QQitemZ300022999059QQih Z020QQcategoryZ22670QQcmdZViewItem
So, second hand that's about the same price as the Super 70. |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 7:47 pm: | |
TONAL differences, im not that crazy about the neck pick ups on my 2355 and artcore as73, so, how does the super 58 sound compared to duncans, gibson 59 etc, and , is there a real noticeable difference, what about pricing, and do i really need to change out the pots, thanks, j |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 7:58 pm: | |
Jazzzbo
I have a Seymour Duncan Antiquity Humbucker in my 2629 Artist (335 shape) that sounds very nice in the neck position. The string spacing doesn't appear to make any sonic difference.
Then again the guitar is a semi hollow so there may be a sonic difference in a full size jazz box.
six |
Jazzzbo
Username: Jazzzbo
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:26 pm: | |
Six, i think my friends heritage 335 type has Antiquities and t i was impressed with the sound. , maybe someone else will chime in about the jazz box, thanks j |
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 2:24 am: | |
Super 58 PUs are standard on the Japanese ArtStar AS200, which is a top guitar. They're also on the more affordable Korean ArtStar AS120. I'm very satisfied with my AS120.
If I'd want to compare the Super 58s to all these other PUs, I'd have to test them in the same guitar, with the same pots, capacitors etc.
Second hand Super 58s are an affordable improvement for all ArtCores with ACH humbuckers.
Your 2355 is a collectors item, which you should keep as original as possible. I read someone of ICW gave his Super 70s a waxpot job, because it got microphonic after so many years. That would be the best improvement for a vintage guitar. Keep vintage what is vintage.
I consider the Chinese ArtCore guitars as cheap players. No harm done if you change the PUs, the pots (CTS 500 KOhm 2x linear and 2x logarithmic cost about $16.=) and capacitors.
Mike Pickel (Ratfinks3) and I discussed this in the following thread: "AS80 pot replacement"
Somewhat later I read, Mike chose the .047 microfarad capacitors and is very glad he did.
Ginger |
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