Fishy 1980 AS200

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Author Message Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 5:49 pm:    Beware! http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=1802666&mpre=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D280034427013 This one fits in the pickguard gas/ pit corrosion pattern: - Pickguard replaced by a black one; - Original gold with perloid tuners replaced; - Gold pickup covers removed; - Bridge so vaguely photographed that you can't tell what type and how bad it is. - Tailpiece is the same story. Extra cost to expect: hundreds of dollars! He's now lowered his reserve, so it's becoming dangerous at $1226.- Beware! Ginger Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 1:46 am:    Hi Freak and The Bear, Here we go again. He has no clue. Ace Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 3:23 am:    Who has no clue? http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/16/9181.html Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 8:05 am:    Maybe the guy just has a cheap camera. His other auction has the same blurry pics. The guitar look OK to me. Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 10:33 am:    Ginger, Ya might be jest a bit paranoid here..looks (to me) like the seller is being open and honest here, with crappy photgraphy skills. Personally, I'd like to see closeups of the neck (frets) and hardware-and I would ask for them before bidding-but that doesn't make the seller suspect... Mr_roadstar Username: Mr_roadstar Registered: 06-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:36 am:    "Here we go again. He has no clue." Or no life... The Bear Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 12:08 pm:    Guys....Ya know you don't have to agree with everything (anything ?) that anyone says here, but I really think that the ribbing is getting a bit over the edge..... IMHO it is appropriate to point out obvious errors etc to posts in the interest of expanding the knowledge of the colleted masses (nice Vonnegut reference heh ?) but the individual character bashing really isn't necessary and is probably best left as "implied" (besides couldn't some of these extreneous comments be consitered...........well .......um.... "chatty" ? wink, wink Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 12:10 pm:    I agree with Dave's assessment of the auction. Although he wasn't real clear, the seller eventually disclosed all the problems someplace in the auction description or Q and A section. There was world-wide bidding on this guitar by 5 different persons. The top three were willing to pay over $1200.00. The winner is from France. The Euro-to-US$ conversion rate means he paid about $1011.00 US. Add shipping and whatever import duties and it will likely be back in the plus $1200.00 US range. Conclusion: the ebay world-market wins again. People from around the world want vintage Ibanez guitars, even if they are not in original condition. They are willing to pay more than yesterday, or last week or last year. If you're selling, that's a good thing. If you're a buyer, well...it's just the reality of the world. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 6:50 pm:    To restore this AS200 you need: - a BOUND tortoise pickguard. (the Scofield is an acceptable alternative for a player, but not for a collectors guitar. I've been looking several times to find tortoise pickguards, and I found cheaper ones for players, but never bound. The cheapest bound one was found by another member at Allparts for $88.- Pickguard Heaven writes nothing about BINDING their pickguards; Unless Ibanezfreak1960 knows a way to order an original for less, but I never saw him mentioning it; - an original shape gold plated pickguard bracket (not the Scofield bracket!). - Then the original gold with perloid Velve Tune machineheads, I guess about $100.- (if you find them second hand the might be cheaper, but then it might be necessary to replate them, because the reason of replacement is mostly corrosion); - Two gold plated pickup covers with 50 mm spacing (if you don't know this, you could order the wrong one USA covers don't fit: mr Roadstar learned this by bitter experience); - At least have the (ST?) bridge cleaned and gold plated all over again. - I’ve doubts about the condition of the tailpiece and the studs too, but as Dave_G wrote some weeks ago, the cheapest way of replating a part is to have it replated together with a whole bunch of parts. So best is to find the missing metal parts first and have replated if you have them all together. I think we’re talking $250.-$350.- extra. The seller originally had a BIN of $1850.-! That would have become an extremely expensive AS200: restored: $2100-$2200 Now it’s still $1500-1600 which is a lot of money. I think the buyer is likely to have one luck: if these part removals are due to pit corrosion because of acid pickguard gas, it was probably in the case for a long time and has probably almost brand new frets. That and the wood and finish COULD be the most positive sides of this guitar. But in this condition it is not ready for a collection. I consider it an obligation to warn members for the additional cost. They should not be underestimated. John, the seller disclosed MOST, NOT ALL information about part replacements, NOT about what caused them (pit corrosion?!), and he writes NOTHING about the bridge. There’s isn’t ANY gold on it anymore. How bad is it? How is the zinc? It is NOT the first time this seller withholds information about certain damages: He received this negative feedback in June: (-) Disappointed in the purchase.Would like to have known about the stains and hole. Buyer 111622573( 18) Jun-16-06 13:24 8429714991 I don't understand how you calculated what this Frenchman paid. I think he'll pay $1251.- PLUS overseas shipping cost! And when it arrives, there will be the additional cost for restauration. The total cost will be about equal to the original BIN price. I guess, you're right: that's the reality of the world. I can accept that. As long as it happens based on honest and complete information... and IMO this guy was covering up a pit corrosion problem. Wait for the feedback on this transaction. I think someone is going to be rather pissed, when the package arrives. Ginger Brentm Username: Brentm Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 7:08 pm:    What about the fact that the buyer might not mind if the guitar is not bone stock? Or doesn't mind if the gold plating is worn off? Or doesn't mind the fact the tuners were replaced? And at the end of the day, if it's not as expected, who's to say the seller wouldn't work wtih you? He's got 44 positive buyer feedbacks as an eBay seller. Step away from the keyboard and relax... Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 7:24 pm:    Brent...Nice job..Wasn't that easier and-the best part is-we all "get it" Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 10:44 pm:    Sorry I started this mess. It was my fault to let an annoying person to get under my skin. Sorry, John. Ace Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 12:16 am:    Ginger: You are right about my Euro-to-US$ logic. I should have written: "he paid about 1011,00 Euros." My point is that it makes sense for people living in countries with favorable exchange rates and who are paying premium prices for vintage Ibanez in their own country to buy from the US market. As far as the BIN vs sale price goes, the Frenchman got it for $600 cheaper. Overall, it seems like he made the best move and still got the guitar he wanted. As far as the seller's 1 negative feedback, you can't see what the auction was for. It could just as well have been a t-shirt with a stain and hole. In the end, the only fact I care about is that three international bidders were willing to pay over $1200.00 US for a non-original AS200. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 4:24 am:    Most positive items of his weren't guitars. He sold at least one good T-shirt. I didn't say the seller's a bad person. I said the guitar is fishy. There are some hidden flaws, that cost the buyer a lot of extra money. All these removed parts fit in the gassing pickguard pattern. And of course a salesman presents his item in the most favourable way. You can say: "had to replace the Velve Tune machine heads because of heavy pit corrosion" or "put Grovers on it" and then some prospects might react "Wow, he put Grovers on it!" Perhaps prospects should just ask more detailed questions on these expensive items and insist on more detailed pics. For some this auction is just market information. If you own a minty one, I guess you're smiling ear to ear. Ginger

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