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Author Message Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 10:45 am:    does anybody know if the artcore custom 2TP1H04RG tailpiece will fit in a PM100 (which has a 2TP1PM100 tailpiece)? as you see the "wooden tailpiece for PMs" quest continues... Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 9:18 pm:    You can always look at Stewart Macdonald (know to most folks as Stu-Mac), they have a couple. Check eBay too... there is a great luthier I have dealt with in the past who made me a couple, great guy... I heartily reccommend you look up Steve Holst. Tell him Michael Hale in California told you about him... He'll make ANYTHING and he's really got some nice archtops for sale too. Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 9:21 pm:    Here is a 1969 Gibson ES-150DCN I had Steve build a tailpiece for. It's ebony. It really classed up the look and sound of the guitar in my estimation. Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 10:44 pm:    WOW nice Gibby ! Im not sure why but i dont get excited about many guitars except Gibsons.Im sure there are many guitar makers that are just as good if not better.Someday ill own a guitar like the one above is that a 335? Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 11:15 pm:    That ES150 is a good guitar, typical vol/tone config but it also has a master volume at the top. It hass a 335 shape but a FAT body the thickness of an ES175. It's fully hollow (no huge maple block inside like a 335). They are prone to feedback like an archtop. I had it a couple years, but like a lot of things I let it go... Nice axe but as with now I find myself playing my GB10 more often (even more than my Super 400). The sexiest one I ever saw though was a CHERRY, very few of the cherry red finish ones made. You see mostly walnut, some blondes and that's it. Get a late 60s before they starting putting those damn volutes on the neck. BIG Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 3:37 am:    mike, thanks for the info, i'll try to contact holst. once he had a "tailpiece page" inside his site but i don't see it anymore, so i deducted he doesn't make them anymore. do you remember the price range more or less? this gibson is really nice, and with that wood tailpiece it seems really a luthier's creation. bad that ibanez did not make any hollow body thinlines (as far as i know). Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:12 am:    Big~ That is/was a sweet ES150 you had there! Petruz~ Have you contacted Ibanez for info on the tailpiece swap? It might work IF the bottom of the guitars have a similar curve and most importantly, the body depth is the same. Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:39 am:    Petruz - which Artcore does the 2TP1H04RG come from? Look like the AF105 tailpiece with rounded edges...very nice. My AF105 has 4 screws as does the 2TP1H04RG. I suspect the 2TP1H04RG would work on the PM100 but obviously the screw holes won't match. I ordered two tailpieces from Steve Holst in the past. As I recall they were both $70 each (for ebony) but that was about 3 years ago. In addition to getting a nicely made tailpiece, he will match the existing screw holes so you don't have to drill extra holes in the guitar. By the way, I have had a Steve Holst guitar on order for the last 2 years. It will hopefully be done by the end of this year. Here is a link to my guitar on his website: http://www.pacinfo.com/~sholst/lamdn.htm I really like working with Steve - great guy and his stuff is pretty reasonably priced. Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 12:16 pm:    guitartim: the ibanez dealer in italy wants 350 euro, 420 us dollars, for the GB200 tailpiece. nuts! wildfield: this rounded tailpiece is from the AF125 artcore custom. yes, it is nicer than the "squared" one. you're fortunate, i can only imagine how beautiful and good sounding your holst will be. and costing less than a factory gibby L5, that's incredible. Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 8:52 am:    Petruz, i bought this one at Stew Macdonnald... remember you also need these cords... Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 8:55 am:    Petruz here are the links: http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Archtop_guitar_tailpieces/Benede tto_Archtop_Tailpiece.html http://www.stewmac.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?action=serve&sku=3632&item=catalog/sku. html Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 5:52 pm:    thanks pat, i'll check it out. i'm in contact with a luthier in rome too, to see if he can craft one for me (more similar to the JP20/GB5/GB200 ones). Trickeydave Username: Trickeydave Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 9:35 pm:    You could also try Gagnon Guitars...www.gagnonguitars.com. Bill custom-made me an ebony pickguard. He also makes tailpieces and bridges. Prices are very reasonable and quality is great. Check him out! Dave Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 3:14 pm:    i contacted steve holst and he will make a tailpiece for me. hey bigmike, thank uou very much! i'll post photos in the future when the tailpiece will be fit on my PM100. Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 7:23 pm:    Steve Holst is a great guy. Next time I get a chance I will also post photos of the tailpiece I had him make me for an OLD Gibson L7 I had... He replicated an ES175 tailpiece (the current version) out of rosewood and ebony. It was sooo gorgeous. Next time you talk to him tell him Michael Hale in California says hello. Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 4:54 am:    1946 L7C with Steven Holst rosewood/ebony tailpiece... Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 4:55 am:    1946 L7N with Steven Holst rosewood/ebony tailpiece... Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 12:43 pm:    Big Mike, What kind of pickup do you have on the L7? How do you like it? Nice looking tailpiece. Steve does nice work. Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 7:11 pm:    I no longer own the guitar (I thinned the herd way down). The pickup was an OLD Benedetto pickup made by Seymour Duncan, back when HE made these pickups. Very tasty sound but I hate really fat necks... Isn't that woodwork that Steve did making the tailpiece something else ?? Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 1:08 pm:    I e-mailed Ibanez USA to request the list pricing for the AF105 and AF125 tailpieces. They are the same price – both are US$114. Doesn’t seem too bad especially if the retailer you purchase it from discounts off of the list price a little. I am planning to order one (probably the AF125 version) for my AG195. I’m not too keen on that 50’s Eichler coaster look. Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 3:26 am:    wildfield, holst will do a custom-made tailpiece for 40% less! not to make propaganda of him but... i think ibanez (parts) prices are way overpriced. Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:10 am:    Petruz, I agree Holst's tailpieces are a much better value and great to know Steve has not raised his prices. Maybe this bad logic, but $70 vs. $114 doesn't seem as dramatic as $600 vs. $1,000 (also a 40% desparity). In other words, at this price point, $114 seems fine..and that is list. I suspect the retailer from whom I order will discount a little. For me, I do not mind spending around $100 to get a nice tailpiece. I actually like the look of the AF125 so for me it doesn't seem off-the-charts expensive. I am sending my AM70 which currently has the Benedetto style tailpiece to Steve to have new frets installed and to have a new tailpiece designed for it. Couldn't find a stock shape that I liked and I didn't like the performance of the Benedetto style tailpiece. Please post photos of the new tailpiece once Steve finishes it. Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:27 am:    Attempting to post a photo of my AM70 with Benedetto style tailpiece. (fingers crossed) Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:30 am:    Here's a second photo...hopefully a little clearer. Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 1:37 pm:    wildfield, i'm considering doing a similar mod to my GB30. my plan is to remove the stop tailpiece and install a wooden one, but i'll let the gibraltar where it is. if i have the guts i'll swap off the bridge pup, controls and toggle switch too, and cover all holes. obviously i'll have to refinish the (black) top of the guitar. my aim is to have a softertone and less sustainwitch, in my case, would be a plus. i'm curious about your AM70, does it sound more "gentle" than a normal semiacoustic? Petruz Username: Petruz Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 1:40 pm:    gosh, message full of typos. sorry, let me repeat: my aim is to have a softer tone and less sustain which, in my case, would be a plus. Wildfield Username: Wildfield Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 10:27 am:    Petruz, I have not noticed a difference in tone although there could have been a subtle change. I choose this mod because I did not like the short stop bridge and I did not like the other options that would fit the existing mounts. This mod required relocating the mounts which helps to explain the faux rosewood bridge - hides the plugs. I tried to fashion the rosewood bridge after one that might be on an acoustic guitar. The guitar as it is now suits my playing style very well. I replaced the stock triple magnet p/u's with SD 59's. I will eventually send to Steve Holst to have it refretted (with jumbo frets) and to have a shorter tailpiece installed - one with a metal bracket instead of the cable. I think the tailpiece with metal bracket makes for a more stable tailpiece. I have it setup with TI Jazz BeBops .012-.050 round wounds. The guitar plays and sounds beautiful. Good luck with your mod and as usual, please keep us posted with updates and photos.

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