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Author Message   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:33 pm:    My new eBay Guide: http://reviews.ebay.com/Ibanez-Does-Not-Make-Every -Japanese-Electric-Guitar_W0QQugidZ100000000042044 06 I just had enough. I had to write it. If I see one more Cortez guitar listed as "Ibanez/Cortez" I'll scream. If you have additions/corrections, send them my way and I'll edit the article. -Chuck   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:25 pm:    Chuck - Since you asked.... How about adding a paragraph on what constitutes a true "lawsuit" guitar? Thanks. - Pete   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:20 pm:    Yeah, I'm thinking about it. "Lawsuit" is, of course, inaccurate for anything but an Ibanez, pre-1976, but it's become such a generic term. I might just clarify that in the guide, though. Thanks.   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:26 pm:    I've seen a few auctions for 198x "lawsuit" guitars and even one non-Ibanez "lawsuit" guitar auction lately - that's why I suggested it. Thanks.   Mr_roadstar Username: Mr_roadstar Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 12:39 am:    Perhaps we can begin to correct the "Lawsuit" problem by changing the way we refer to such guitars. Using the term "Lawsuit Headstock" would alleviate much of the confusion. Just a thought... The Bear   Harry Username: Harry Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:37 am:    Hi Chuck In your Ebay guide you say the following: "Guitars made at FujiGen from about 1976 through 1985 use a signature serial numbering system. All Ibanez-branded guitars from 1976-1985 use it, as do Greco and the other Hoshino associated brands I discuss above". Later on you have listed Greco as one of the brands that have no relationship with Hoshino. I think this is a bit confusing: was or was not Greco a brand that was related to} Hoshino? Greco was definitely a Fuji Gen product. On the site http://www.orangeguitar.com/aboutgreco.htm it says: "Greco is one of the pioneers of these lawsuit guitar makers. They have been making guitars since the early 1960's at the Fiji-gen Gakki plant. However, note that some Fender copies were made in the Matsumoku plant prior to 1967". Kind greetz, Harry   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:22 am:    I meant to say that Greco has no relation to Hoshino, but that Grecos were made at Fuji Gen, just as were Hoshinos. I'll try to clarify that. I've got that right, though, yes?   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:30 am:    When you take a look at old parts catalogues of the Greco brand, you will find lots of parts that are identical to the Ibanez parts of that era. So they used the same parts designer/manufacturer (Gotoh), the same guitar production plant (Fuji Gen Gakki). Greco is owned by Kanda Shokai, which is also a shareholder in the Fender Japan joint venture (with Fender and Yamano Gakki). I typed this part of the Fender history in one of my posts a few months ago. (I could have scanned it from the Fender Book but I don't want to cause legal troubles). And I see that somebody implemented this information in a "Greco wiki" on August 8th 2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco_guitars So, no relationship... no relationship... If you have the wood, the luthiers, the design and the parts in common, would you call that no relationship. I guess the bosses drank sake together on a regular base... one talking about the European and USA market and the other about the Japanese market. They are brilliant marketeers each operating on its own market, and providing work for a massive musical instruments industry of MatsumoTO (that's a TOWN on Nagano). Here's an important quote from the Matsumoku wiki: "Note: There is often confusion between Matsumoku and Matsumoto. Matsumoto is a town in Japan's Nagano Prefecture where Fujigen Gakki, Gotoh, and other musical instrument companies have manufacturing plants. Matsumoto Musical Instrument Manufacturers Association is also the name of musical instrument manufacturing cooperative headed by Gotoh." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsumoku I would NOT call that "no relation". It's very likely that it operated or operates as a kartel or at least like a kartel! Ginger   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:31 am:    Okay. Updates made. Now go forth all ye and rate this guide so it gets a good score and people who are searching for Ibanez and lawsuit guitars actually get to see it! -Chuck   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:38 pm:    Here's an Odessa Jazz bass with a Fuji Gen serial number: Ebay Item #190141040662 A78... -Chuck

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