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Author Message   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 6:32 am:    I wonder how many of these pop up as genuine guitars for example on auction sites. "we can make any kind of guitar with any kind of logo you want" they say. http://www.paylessguitars.com/index.asp Juha   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 9:52 am:    I see that and it makes me wonder how many of this guy's guitars are fakes? http://www.kosakuworld.com/gtr-ibanez.htm   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 2:02 pm:    Peter, are these 2 guys associated with each other? Did you see $220 US for a nice flowered JEM model? YIKES!!! These guys must be/are gonna be rich but it's a scary thing to see. way way way frightening.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 2:26 pm:    Peter Kasaku is a member of ICW and his guitars are genuine.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 4:12 pm:    Bob...I seriously doubt if any Chinese copy rippoffs are going to get rich ! The quality of this firewood is questionable at best...   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 4:20 pm:    I wonder if he'd adopt me?   Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 7:26 pm:    Fooks i smell bizz...lets start a line...   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:54 am:    How could you buy a Gibby off of eBay after seeing that site? I'm just glad all they seem to be copying on the Ibanez side are JEMs.   Roland_g303 Username: Roland_g303 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 3:19 pm:    Those are poor copies of a Gibson and Ibanez at best. I got a laugh at seeing the knockoff of the Epiphone Zakk Wylde which is the cheap knockoff of the Gibson in the first place.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 7:39 am:    Dave, I think they'll get rich through deception, not through buildinmg "quality" guitars.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 9:13 am:    I guess some people buy these for decoration purposes. They think it is cool to have an "expensive" Gibby hangin on the wall and that their guests don't notice what it really is. Juha   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 6:03 am:    Has anybody ever seen Gibby LP Standart like this on a Finnish auction site? http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=61030 499 Juha   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:09 pm:    The seller ended the auction. Perhaps because the item can be found at http://www.paylessguitars.com/product_detail.asp?P id=1174 but not (exactly same) on any gibby site. Juha   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, September 17, 2007 - 6:28 am:    It popped up here. Seller says it is "probably" a copy but the asking price, 900€, is three times its price imported from China (price + shipping + VAT etc) and twice as much as many decent LP copies cost. http://muusikoiden.net/tori/nayta.php?id=187088 Juha   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 5:17 am:    They even put Team J. Craft decals on the headstock, Made in Japan and an F06xxxxx serial number on this white JEM. ( F0606786 ). If they are this thorough, would the go that far that they would counterfeit cases and certificates as well? Seeing this one, I don't know if for instance the guitar Liahayes bought for her husband is real. http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/14 /1706.html?1178324188 (I hope it is, but I can't find the picture anymore. Ebay Item #200106196514 This development is frightening for the collectors of contemporary guitars. But what about the vintage guitars? If these guys start "relicing", who knows? Ginger   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 2:55 pm:    Ginger, answer to your question "If they are this thorough, would the go that far that they would counterfeit cases and certificates as well? " is sadly yes. That chinese forgery-workshop has in fact produced Epiphone's cheaper model "Emily The Strange" with special gigbag that comes with original guitar, some their guitars sport authentic-looking hang-tags.. They even have made a convincing forgery of TLK Gibson case, even with that Maple-leaf sticker.. So there is again a great reason to be worry.. Here in Finland a couple scumbags sold (or tried to sell) those 300 euro Gibby-forgeries for a decent sum of 1700 euros..   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 4:01 pm:    Their Gibby cases have Gibby logos. Browse their web site and you will see. Or perhaps I saw it in a pic of one of the forgeries in Finland. Juha   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 5:43 pm:    Those chinese brown & red cases with large "Gibson " lettering? As those two(observe: two! So this person has 2 forgeries for sale)in that picture of silverflake-painted fake "Standard"?? I was referring to this one, that quite looks like TKL-case (but without number-lock, and there is no "shroud" inside. Look closely and see, there's "maple leaf" sticker close to the "Gibson USA" lettering.. http://www.paylessguitars.com/product_detail.asp?P id=1121   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 8:27 pm:    You know, forgers are not that bright beyond their initial mimicry wizardry. I wonder if the serial numbers they put on the guitars even increment up. I'm sure they work correctly date-wise, but if you could identify a few of the numbers, you might see them repeat on a lot of guitars. One lesson from PayLessGuitars is that if your "Gibson" has anything other than the diamond pattern on the headstock, it's not original. Of course, the diamond doesn't guarantee originality, either. -Chuck   Craigjc Username: Craigjc Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 3:17 pm:    My initial thought were amazement and anger. How dare they... After a while, I began to wonder...if there ends up being lawsuits stopping this company from producing fakes, will the fakes go up in value and become collectible???   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 3:21 pm:    Have you tried to buy a 76 Ibanez Korina Destroyer lately?   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 5:29 pm:    Looks like there are fake Epis, too. The same crook who had the "probably" Gibson copy for sale is now selling "Epi" LP. Guitar has Epiphone logo but knobs are located differently from real Epi LPs (same fault as the fake Gibby has). The craziest thing is that he/she is asking 750 EUR for a model which is sold for 500 EUR with HSC in webshops. http://muusikoiden.net/tori/nayta.php?id=187754 Juha   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 8:14 pm:    Good point, Peter. I'll just draw the distinction that Ibanez, Greco, Fernandes, Aria, Tokai, Burny and other "lawsuit" guitars never came out with Gibson or other brand names on the headstocks. You know, Tokai, Burny and Greco are still putting out open-book headstock LP copies to this day for the Japanese market. However, maybe the Chinese factories churning out these "Fakes" can create their own brand names and begin a semi-legitimate distribution?   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 12:45 am:    I'll probably start a firestorm by saying this but.... IMHO, the Ibanez lawsuit guitars were - for the most part - better than the originals. That doesn't make it morally or legally acceptable but the quality of the Ibanez guitars certainly didn't hurt the reputation of Gibson and Fender unless it was by highlighting their shortcomings.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:21 am:    Ibanez still put the word "Ibanez" on their headstock. Having said that, after looking at the headstock on that Finnish auction site, it looks pretty fake to me,and the quality looks extremely low, but I work on these things daily and can spot them easily. Other people might not know the difference.   Roland_g303 Username: Roland_g303 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 10:02 am:    Some of these fakes are pretty easy to identify while some are a little more difficult. Check out the Gretsch guitars they're copying...that's if you want to have a good laugh. They're horrible. I actually saw one of these Gretsch copies of the White Falcon and it went for considerably more than what they're selling them for. Here's the link... Ebay Item #120159776148 Patrick   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 10:18 am:    I remember as a kid, hearing that there was a town in Japan named Usofa, that they would spell "USofA" on the cheap tools and other products they made there. Maybe there's a town in China (or Indonesia) names "MadeInUSA"? -Chuck   Roland_g303 Username: Roland_g303 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 2:00 pm:    And another fake being sold on the bay. This guy admits to it, but it's still sad that these are made. Ebay Item #200154709878 Patrick   Peterdryan Username: Peterdryan Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 7:10 pm:    The listing has been pulled.   Tim_gueguen Username: Tim_gueguen Registered: 1-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 1:37 am:    There is in fact a Japanese town called Usa, but it was called that long before Japan began exporting goods to the US, despite the claims the Japanese changed the town's name to Usa in the 1950s to pass off Japanese made goods as American.

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