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Author Message Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:43 am:    Anyone wanna talk about it? I know a lot of people lost loved ones and everything they had. I saw some news clips and they showed 2 ruined guitars, one on its stand broken and the other was a USA flag painted axe laying on a washed out stage somewhere in New Orleans. Craigjc Username: Craigjc Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 8:29 am:    The tragedy is on par with 9-11 in my opinion, only there aren't any people to blame. It doesn't matter - it still sucks. I've been battling major flooding issues where I live...the morning of Aug. 21st saw carpeting, furniture, electronics, computers...all on the front lawns of about every other house. I got lucky, but I now get stressed every time I see heavy rain. Then Katrina hits the southern US and puts things in a different perspective. I'm panicing over the possibility of a flooded basement and these folks have flooded houses. I have a deep, constant depression going on now. Even at my happiest, there's still sadness in there. Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:19 am:    My prayers go out to all those good people impacted by this terrible disaster. Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:53 am:    It's almost unthinkable that an entire thriving city was essentially wiped out. I live in San Francisco, and was talking with my wife this morning about if/when the "big one" hits. Unfortunately, this sort of thing is part of life on this planet. I have relatives in New Orleans, who luckily left for Texas before the storm. But they had a house and jobs there. With a baby on the way, things will be difficult for them. -Sven Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 1:14 pm:    I'm also in the SF Bay Area but have family in the affected Gulf State area who tell me that MANY cities have been wiped out in Louisiana, Missippi and Alabama! To view some of the area impacted by this devastation via satelite, check this site: http://terrafly.com/ Boo Username: Boo Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 1:26 pm:    Another Bay Area resident. My thoughts and prayers go out to any of those directly or indirectly effected by this tragic event. Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 2:50 pm:    The Big Easy The full impact of the disaster is just starting to be realised here in the UK as the news pours in. People in the UK are totally shocked that local officials and named scientists had informed the US Government previously that the potential for a catastrophic disaster in this area was very likely. Mother Nature had already taken thousands of lives in Asia this year due to the Boxing Day Tsunami. Is God trying to tell us something? My thoughts are with you guys. six Billy_porter Username: Billy_porter Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:11 pm:    Ditto sixvsix In the UK we have the occasional flash flood (we had some here in the North East last night with spectacular thunderstorms). I watch the news but cannot really comprehend what it must really be like to have lost everything bar what is on your back. How do you start from scratch? The looting – bar for essentials such as food – just beggars belief Good luck all those involved – I’m sure the US and hopefully the rest of the world will pull together and help those affected. Stationc Username: Stationc Registered: 12-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:32 pm:    I am with you and with all those who lost familly, friends and everything they owned. it is not just that the nature strikes back, even here in germany (bavaria), austria and in swiss it rained so heavily for many days, that a couple of people died and many homes were distroyed by little rivers that suddenly got 30-times stronger and took everything with em, what was in their way. what I don not understand at all, is that everybody knows that in frisco or LA the-big-one will happen, but people who live there seem not to care? can someone from this erea explain it to me? maggy Tonedef Username: Tonedef Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:04 pm:    I was in N.O. this Spring for the Jazz Fest. Haven't been there since I was a kid. What a great city, cool, friendly people--I couldn't wait to go back and spend more time. Now, who knows what it will look like, or be like.....what a shame. There are a lot of really poor people living in that city, who didn't have much to begin with, and now have nothing. Southern folk being who they are, I have to believe they will come bouncing back, tho it won't be easy.... Tonedef Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:11 pm:    "People in the UK are totally shocked that local officials and named scientists had informed the US Government previously that the potential for a catastrophic disaster in this area was very likely" Unfortunately, most of these cities formed before we understood the risk. Holland is in a similar situation, and they have taken many proactive steps to minimize damage in the event of storms. I don't mean to be critical, but sometimes in the US, we have an "it can't happen to me" attitude, and we react after the fact. 9-11 is a prime example of this. -Sven Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:31 pm:    Another American mentality still lingers from the frontier days is,"...nature will throw a curve ball from time to time, you just have to deal with it." Ace Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:47 pm:    "what I don not understand at all, is that everybody knows that in frisco or LA the-big-one will happen, but people who live there seem not to care?" I think any attempt to "out-run" nature will be futile. You have snow-storms up north, tornado in the mid-west, hurricanes along the southeast coastal area, land slide on a remote island across the Atlantic may wipe-out the northeast, the giant caldera in Yellowstone threatens the west, "The Big One" is coming to California, killer bees in the southwest, volcano in Hawaii, even the quiet northwest got Mount St. Helen... Feel like building an ark anybody? Ace Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:34 pm:    Well put ace While the thought of a devastating earthquake is terrifying, there is more death and property loss from other less exiting acts of nature. Regarding the earthquakes, I'm an architect and deal with earthquake design on a daily basis. One thing that regularly occuring earthquakes do, is "shake out" the bad structures. Most of the older unsound buildings were destroyed during recent earthquakes. And the newer structures can withstand all but the worst ones. Sure, the big one could hit, or maybe I could choke on a chicken bone, but I'm not going to waste time worrying about it. -Sven Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:56 pm:    Oh oh, you're an architect? Gotta hide that from my wife, she's a civil engineer. Ace Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 8:07 pm:    She has architect issues? Have her think about where either the architect or the engineer would be without the other Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 8:10 pm:    Acetan and Funkle: They have built some frighteningly high overpasses in CA, supported by a pedestal type of construction. The one I remember most is just north of SF on the way to Napa. I thought I was on a roller coaster. Maybe you can tell me how a pedestal is supposed to be sound engineering for supporting a road? Make me feel safe, give me two legs, please! Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 8:20 pm:    I catered a birthday bash for an old buddy of mine. After all that work I drove him home and then proceeded to my place. Enroute I got in a very bad car accident. My new car (only 8 weeks old) took quite a lot of damage. I'm older and the whole experience left me very shook up, my car will be fixed and I was not hurt. Then I see what has happend in Louisiana and Missippi and it makes my situation seem so small and inconsequencial. BigMike Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 8:40 pm:    ...where either the architect or the engineer would be without the other That's exactly it, you guys work closely together but have slightly different priorities. I'm a CPA and have the same kind of love-hate relationship with attorneys. Ace Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:01 am:    Funkle, I hope you are a good architect as there are some pretty bad ones out there as Ace's wife could probably list (endlessly). Me, In a previous life I was a mechanical engineer who continuously cursed architectual designs whilst maintain something in a building. I hope they make a good job of rebuilding the Big Easy. six Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:00 pm:    Six and Ace, you asked for it, so here's my long winded response: (Sorry to hijack this serious thread) Design professionals work together toward the same end, but have different objectives, and in some cases seem to frustrate each other because of conflicting goals, or a misunderstanding of the other parties goals. In big projects, there is a hell of a lot of coordination that must happen. This can of course all be avoided with good communication. While the scope of various engineers is relatively narrow and clearly defined, a good architect needs to be competent in many fields. On any given day, we may need to be an artist, a project manager, a stylist, a technical expert in numerous fields, an engineer, a salesman, a personal shopper, a legal expert, an expediter, a therapist, an accountant, etc. I can tell you that there are virtually no architects that are masters of all. People are usually either right brain or left brain. And I would say that the more technically oriented architect, the one that is most likely to appease the engineers will produce consistently bland designs, and won't go far in the field. And It does seem that if some engineers had it their way, they would design nothing but square concrete boxes. But that's not the point. To compound matters, building or remodeling can be one of the most stressful things a homeowner can go through - responsible for many divorces. As you can imagine, quite a few architects get the blame, whether or not it was their fault. It's a team effort. We all use must use our unique specialties to create the best result we are capable of. You've got to communicate and know all the angles (so to speak). I understand the challenges and goals of engineers, and I work with them to create innovative and creative solutions. If I need to push them, I will, and if I need to change the design, I will. The architects and engineers who want to sit at their desks and curse each other are welcome to waste their time doing that. Will they go far? I was there when I was younger, and It all seems a little juvenile and counterproductive to me at this point. I'd rather focus on building something great. -Sven Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:21 pm:    Sven, You are absolutely correct about engineers building a box of a house. We built our current house to our own design, conceived by my wife and approved by me, and it is exactly what you called a box. But then, what do you expect from an engineer and an accountant? My wife took the job as a highway project engineer in 1997 and ever since then, she has to deal with attorneys, the public, and has become, as you said,”...a salesman, a personal shopper, a legal expert, an expediter, a therapist, an accountant, etc.” and at times, even has to pay attention to the esthetics of her creation. Ace Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:45 pm:    Yep... I asked for it I'll bear that all in mind next time I'm cursing and swearing.. six

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