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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 11:18 am: | |
Well here it is. The first time I've encountered this on a bolt on. It is an old beat up 2351dx I just got in.
Any thought on how to fix this properly? I did fix a completely snapped of headstock twice with very good results but I am not sure yet on how to tackle this cutie.
I think I miss Spiro....
Thanks in advance,
Paul
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Funkle
Username: Funkle
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 11:54 am: | |
Ouch! There is an excellent tutorial at Ibanez Rules:
http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/crack_neck.htm
Fixing the crack is relatively easy. Making the repair invisible will be the hard part.
-Sven |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 12:13 pm: | |
Hi Sven,
Thanks, I've seen that one before but forgot.... The clamps are the way to gao. That's for sure.
I am not sure yet on how to handle this without completely filling up the truss rod cavity with glue.
Paul |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 3:07 pm: | |
Wrong! I need to pull the fingerboard away from the neck in some sort of way in order to get the glue in. The way described in the link above isn't gonna do it. My crack is the other way around. (Now lets hear your comments on that last sentence, pulled out of its context.... )
Paul |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:43 pm: | |
This is every Les Paul owners nightmare. I've seen this repair done before using a syringe but that was just for the fingerboard. Can you do the neck crack first Paul and the the board?
six |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:21 pm: | |
Six, first of all, what is a syringe?
I've been messin' with it for some hours now, bending and twisting it and I think I just have to use some controlled force, bend it open and let the glue just poor in.
The fretboard is not the problem I think but I want the glue to get as deep in the neckcrack as possible. I'd like to be able to wriggle the neck a little when the glue is applied in order to let it creep in deeply.
I sleep over it and get this over with tomorrow.
Paul |
Snowjays
Username: Snowjays
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:01 pm: | |
I had the same thing happen to one of my LP's about 25 years ago. The fellow that fixed it had to remove the fretboard, put the neck in a press to get a straight line after glueing from the inside (from the truss rod area). The only way to see that the glue has gone through is when it weeps out the cracks completely.
Original fretboard glued back on and fret shave and set up had to be done.
I'm not sure I'd spend that much money on a bolt on. Might be easier to find another neck.
Tom. |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 4:56 am: | |
A syringe is something with a needle stuck on the end of it that a doctor would use to inject you with some kind of drug (then he would leave it in the bed so that some poor sod suffers a needle stick injury).
I saw a repair guy inject glue using a syringe into the gap between the board and the neck on an old Hamer Sunburst. It was much like how your board has lifted though not as deep.
And it worked 
six |
Brentm
Username: Brentm
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 11:13 am: | |
When I was dealing with the neck issue from a recent eBay purchase, and considering a repair of it... I talked to my friend, who's opinion I really respect (great craftsman).
He recommended the syringe method using hyde glue. He'd done this on a real LP and it came out great.
Looks like a fun project. I'm not sure I'd remove the fretboard, but possibly use a syringe to inject some glue deep into the crack and then clamps.
I'd still probably use Rich's documented method, even tho your crack runs the opposite direction.
My concerns were the truss rod and the needle breaking inside. I'm not sure how durable the syringe needles are?
Also, do you guys think hyde glue is the best choice, or do you have a glue recommendation? |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 8:10 pm: | |
I'm not sure on what type of glue but you can obtain large bore needles. That should help a low density liquid get hrough the needle and penetrate the crack.
six |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 10:12 am: | |
Okay. It is fixed. Looking and feeling as solid as the rest of the neck. I used some force with clamps to open up the crack as wide as possible. Then I injected the crack with glue. When that was as completely filled as possible I inserted glue between the neck and fretboard. After that I used the clamps to close the crack and let it rest for two days. I sanded everything smooth (was hardly necessary)and now I am working on the cosmetic issues. It will be okay.
Now lets hope the neck won't have any tuning issues and it stays as stable as it should be. I've seen that happen with neckcrack repairs before.
Paul |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 6:30 am: | |
Nice one Paul. Lets see the finished job then.
six |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 5:33 pm: | |
Ofcourse pics will be there, it is not finished yet.
Like Sven said: the fix was easier than I thought but it's the cosmetic issues that take their time now.
Paul |
Lespaul
Username: Lespaul
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 1:11 pm: | |
Okay, heres the pics after the repair. I restrung it and took it out to a practice session last night to see if it has any tuning issues before I continued. I played it all night and I didn't notice any problems.
So no I can go ahead and try to hide the crack and repair cosmetically. On the treble side I accidently sanded away some finish down to the bare wood along the binding when I was smoothening the crackrepair.
Paul |
Harry
Username: Harry
Registered: 03-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 5:08 pm: | |
Hey Paul
I see you more or less followed my advice I sent you by mail.
I must say: it worked out very well. Good job! I think you can't have it better done than that and you'll have to live with the "scars".
Only thing you can do now is hoping that the repair will last....to be sure: don't leave on the full tension of the tuned strings permanently: If you don't play the guitar than loosen the strings. If you do so for a few weeks, you'll be sure that you don't "overload" the freshly repaired crack. (and uuuhm...I'm glad your crack is fixed again )
Cheers,
Harry |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 6:51 pm: | |
Maybe some wood stain match up and a clear coat will hide that up pretty good.
Nice one.
six |