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Author Message   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 8:39 am:    Gibson 12 string acoustic/electric "Songwriter's Deluxe." Nice. $2,000 w/case, out the door.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 10:08 am:    Are the other 6 strings in a bag or in a box? Juha   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 2:51 pm:    this is the 6'er... duh. I'll find the correct shot.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 3:00 pm:    here it is.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 3:22 pm:    here's a link to specs etc. http://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBSD12   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 4:43 pm:    I've tried them Bob, There sweet! Have you ever tried Tacoma acoustic guitars? I own a solid Koa Jumbo that is the best sounding and playing acoustic I've ever had my hands on IMHO. I did some upgrades which I would recommend. Change the saddle to bone, ivory, or as I did fossilized walrus ivory. It makes a huge difference in sound. Here is a link that explains why pretty well: http://www.guitarsaddles.com/ Peace!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 8:31 am:    Bob: Wow, it's a beauty! What made you go with a Gibby?   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 8:47 am:    Tube, I've never tried one of those but... I will when the opportunity arises. John, I had gone to the shop to trade my BC Rich for a halfway decent acoustic/electric which I desperately needed for a recording project. I had just about arranged that deal and the owner says... "Bob... check out this J-200." It was pretty awesome. It was a 6 string, it was $3000. Right next to it was the 12 string I wound up taking home. (I'm going back for the J-200 in a little while. In any event, you know how it is, if the axe has that "special something" it's hard to walk away from it. The 12'er I took home is pretty exceptional, I will post photo's soon. I used it to record the other day and man, it's phenomenal. A very well balanced (as far as tone and high /low end) Plays like a dream, it's a sweet looker and it's awesome plugged in or not so... that's my story, I'm happy to have it and it came with the Gib case for $2,000 out the door. They list at apprx. $2300 I think. I actually got mine for $1850 technically. I'd recommend them. This one I got must be brand spankin' new because, the wood smells really good. I think I sat there smelling this guitar, longer than I played it. I am swapping out the cream string pijns for black with pearl tips, then I will post photos. I also picked up an Ibanez PF12NT 6 string acoustic earlier in the day. You know what... it's a contender! I can't believe it, it's a pretty sweet little acoustic I got for $85. I've spent alot more than $85 for some acoustics I've owned and this Ibanez PF12NT is surprisingly nice nice nice. It's loud, crisp, balanced and pretty, I'm gonna try to track down some info on them because... I have no knowledge about them.   Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 4-2001 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 2:07 pm:    Wow, Bob~ You did good on all of your recent purchases!! Good luck with your recording.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 3:04 pm:    Hey... does anyone know anything about this PF12NT? I tried tracking down info but came up with zich. I'm excited about that little guitar because... it is surprisingly excellent. It's a real guitar with all the qualities I would like in a decent little acoustic. I paid $85... but it's a sweetie for sure. I can't find anything about it. I will post photos. I am waiting for pieces of other guitars to come back from california, waiting for satan's axe to be back together, waiting to change the string pins in the Gibson... when all that's done I will post photo's. But I wanna learn about the PF12NT 6 string acoustic. If I read the serial # it should be a 1997 model. Ineteresting little guitar.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 3:06 pm:    p.s. - that stock foto up there of the 12 string does not due my axe justice. It's a sweet looking axe, I just took that foto off the web and yes, mine does not have the cutaway. I don't know what I was thinking with that first photo.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 3:08 pm:    Yo Bob, If your going with black pins try buffalo horn. Pins also make a difference in the sound.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 8:01 am:    Tube... where do I obtain them?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 8:32 am:    Bob is the back and sieds and or top made of solid woods because the specs don't mention it?   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 8:35 am:    Here is the Gibby.com specs.http://www.gibson.com/Products%5FEuro/Gibson%20Aco ustic%20Guitars/Gibson%20Acoustic%20Guitars/Modern %20Classics/Square%20Shoulder%20Dreadnought/Songwr iter%20Deluxe%2012%20String/   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 10:57 am:    Bob, I left the link in my last post. www.guitarsaddles.com Read the products section. You can also get your sizing there as well.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 12:26 pm:    Thanx dudes.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 12:33 pm:    Tube... went there, found 'em, would like to order. However... I am not so technically astute with this kind of thing. Do you know which size I should order for the 12 string songwriter's deluxe? I like those pins, pretty neat. I'm going for the ones pictured on the left when you there. Black with the pearlie tips. Can you help me? I'm sorry if this is an imposition on you. You can tell me to figure it out myself, but by the time I do that, the Sun may implode. The white ones the axe came with are pretty "hefty" actually. They look bigger than other pins I've seen/had in the past.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 5:20 pm:    Hey Bob, Contact Bob Colosi. That is his site. He helped me out with my pins and saddle for my Tacoma. He loves talking about this kind of stuff. You can also call him on the phone. I talked with him for the better of 20 minutes about saddles and pins and the sound differences between materials. He's also a musician! Peace   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 5:25 pm:    Here's a shot of my Tacoma with Fossilized Walrus Ivory Saddle & Pins. At least I kept the tuners Ibanez!!!!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 2:29 pm:    Bob I just got a GC catalog in the mail and they say they are all solid woods back sides!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 7:56 am:    Thanx guys and yes.... Freak. It's actually a real nice instrument, I'm real happy with it. For $2300 (which they ask for these, it better be solid wood. You can't tell it's acoustic/electric just from looking at it. You plug in thru the strap button and the vol. control is actually inside the sound hole, it's pretty neat. It's nice to look at too. Will post photos soon. Nice Tacoma by the way, Tube.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 1:36 pm:    Tube, I am waiting to hear back on the pins. If what I see on the site is correct... I think they want apprx. $150 for a set of 6. I have a 12 string. That would be apprx. $300 for string pins? YIKES!!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 2:50 pm:    I personaly don't see how much they can really change the sound. They strings are only anchored by the pins, the vibration as we all know is between the saddle and nut. Although I changed the pins on my Tacoma to ebony but thats because the originals were cheap looking.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 5:10 pm:    Hey Bob, I thought the Buffalo horn was cheaper than that. Look what I just picked up! It has a finish flaw but a buddy of mine said he can fix that no problem. This guitar used to sell for $1800 plus when they were making them. Ebay Item #170107813231   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 7:40 am:    Nice axe Tube, nice price. It reminds me of an old IBZ acoustic I had, but I forget the model #. It was nice though. Freak, I can't see a $300 sound improvement by sticking animal parts in the bridge as pins. No way. Yes,. may be some improvement but... $300 for string pins? I dunno....   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 8:46 am:    Tube awesome deal on that 12er! Congrats. Bob when I bought the ebony pins at GC I think I paid noi more than 15 bucks for them. That was in 2003.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 8:51 am:    The black ones with inlaid tips I got when I bought this guitar were just thrown in the deal but they were only $10 for a set of 12 if you had to pay for 'em. That's a $290 difference. I think I'll go with the $10 set. The guy with the walrus/buffalo stuff called me but I missed his call, maybe I can work something out with him today if he calls back. Does anybody know anything about that PF12NT I got?   Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 5:27 pm:    Bobz... Here are some Buffalo horn pins for $7 a set... and from a familiar source, too! Ebay Item #180113773664 btw... I've been looking at some gold plated brass pins for mine. I dunno.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 3:12 pm:    Thanx J. I wonder why the prices on the other ones were what they were... there's always the chance I misunderstood something but ... I don't think so.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 3:14 pm:    Dude! it's Bruce! Well... they are nice but... not black. I will check his inventory and see what he's got. I wonder where the buffalo roam in Viet Nam? Probably near the walruses.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 3:15 pm:    Hey... the auctions over. Drats. Did an ICW guy get these?   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 11:48 pm:    Its good to buy American! Salutes bob   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 1:05 pm:    I checked Bruce's site, he does have the black ones and they are quite affordable. I guess they do have Buffalo wandering around Saigon somewhere. I dislike making payment arrangements with the orient. It's a pain in the butt, but... on Monday, I'll pull the trigger on 12 of Bruce's buffalo (or Walrus) black pins. I'd buy 'em from here in the USA if I can find 'em.... cheap. How can someone charge $150 for 6 pins and the next guy charge $10? I dunno. Are American Buffalo more expensive than the Vietnamese buffalo?   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 6:31 pm:    Sure Bob...we got UNION Buffalo   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:50 am:    Dave... that's a good one. That's funny.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:10 am:    Bob, you should find a late '70s - early '80s Ibanez 610/12 or AW-75 (just pimpin' the Artwood that I love so well -- and damned I loved those maples!!) Enjoy your Gibson. Nice guitar!!!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 12:01 pm:    Chaz, I was diligently trying to track one down. One was offered to me but man it was expensive so I passed on it. I'm still in the mood for one though if it pops up.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 1:05 pm:    I'll keep my eyes peeled for ya'. Enjoy!   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 9:19 am:    Hey, Bob, Here's a guy that came over from the Ibanez site, and I think he wants to sell his '77 670 (6-string, unfortunately)... Anyway, he's wondering what a price might be, maybe you could advise him on his maple beauty. http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/11 /1883.html?1179221037 --chaz   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 9:55 am:    Hey Guys, The Tacoma 12 in this thread I just received. It has major top warping. That wasn't disclosed in the auction. He only described a finish flaw which is common with these guitars. What do you think my recourse is? Refund? or have the seller pay for repairs if their willing? I don't know if the bracing has become unglued.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 11:27 am:    Tube, it's an acoustic. Sorry to say this because I know it's gonna be a disappointment for you but... there's no way in hell I'd keep the guitar. An acoustic is a much trickier thing to deal with that type flaw on. It most likely will be a recurring problem, even if you address the issues. I say that from experience.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 11:45 am:    Thanks Bob!   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 1:05 pm:    I would return the item, Tube. Sorry to hear it. Did the seller have a return policy? It's usually noted with eBay information in the auction.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 6:08 pm:    Ebay Item #170107813231 It wasn't specified. You can see in the picture in the close up of the body. The light is bending in the upper part of the sound hole. That is where it is warped. I wish I picked up on that.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 7:01 pm:    "CLEARCOAT SEPERATED ON THE SIDE, OTHER THAN THAT IT IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION" Well, that speaks for itself. It's not what you ordered... I hope you used Paypal. Ginger   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 9:08 am:    Tubescorcher: Sorry to hear about the problem. Acoustics are more of a risk to buy, sight unseen, because of their comparatively delicate nature. Warped tops and pulled up bridges are too common. Fixing the problem correctly may be more expensive than what you paid for the guitar. I'd talk to them about returning it. They have a 100% positive feedback that they would hopefully want to keep that way.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 8:57 pm:    Hey Johns, They have agreed to take it back. I'm gonna find out what it would cost to fix. I paid $450 for the guitar and I know they went new for $1600. If I can get it back in shape for $200 or so I'll probably keep it. We'll see! Thanks for your input! Peace   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 8:14 am:    Tough decision... The fact that this has happened, indicates that either too heavy strings were used, or the construction of the top was too light. I think a luthier must straighten and reinforce the top. In order to do that he will have to remove the back of the guitar. I think you should perhaps better forget about that list price and see the instrument as it IS: a problem child. Ginger   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 9:38 am:    Thanks Ginger!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 12:09 pm:    Tubescorcher: If you find a *good* luthier to do work for that cheap, let me know his name!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 12:27 pm:    Tube, careful you don't get spun up into a bigger ball of wax than you are expecting. If you can get your money back... you're in good shape. If you try to mend the unmendable, it may get expensive and you have no guarantee that it will not reoccur.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 9:25 pm:    Lets see some close ups of the damage Tube!   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 3:25 pm:    Hey Guys, An update. I took the guitar to my repair tech. He at first said to just send it back. He called his mentor and explained the problem. After looking under the sound board it appears a brace has become unglued. He's now going to nurse it back to health. Repair will be under $100 dollars and the top should be back to normal in a couple of weeks. We'll see! Thanks for All Your input!!!!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 8:49 pm:    I thought it was somthing simple. That is why I asked for a photo. My older brother used to work for A Loprinzi guitars when they were in Bucks County PA in the 1970's and they were hand built. Anyway he used to fix these problems all the time on peoples guitars. (without removing the back of the guitar) he also passed some of his experience on to me. I'll tell you one guitar to stay away from and that is the Ovation Twin neck acoustic. That is pure crap. The tops begin to warp and bridges lift on the way to the retailers.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 10:31 am:    Hey Freak, Are you in the Phila. area? I live in Blackwood NJ. I would've sent a photo but I took it to the repair tech a day early. He seems confident it we come back to normal. His mentor is a luthier who works in Conshahocken. His name escapes me though. I think they're going to collaberate on fixing my guitar. I hope it goes well for it is a nice instrument.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:57 pm:    Yeah actually Philly suburbs.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 2:56 pm:    Hey Guys, Jumbo 12 string just came home. The top is back to factory specs. It plays and sounds fantastic! Total repair $75. Reglued the loose brace and added a brace. I'm glad I didn't return it.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 8:55 pm:    That's great that it turned out well for you Tube! Congrats, and enjoy!   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 8:17 am:    Tube... never listen to us. Glad your axe is a keeper and it was an easy repair. I wonder why the prob. occurred in the first place.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 11:50 am:    Hey Bob, The advice you guys gave was the safe way to go about the situation. I had the option to return. The seller refunded 1/2 the repair cost as well. The problem more than likley occured from leaving in a hot car too many times.

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