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Author Message Ibanezer Username: Ibanezer Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 11:56 am:    I really don't see a connection between the Dead and Ibanez.afterall Weir was only one of 6 who will play any guitar a manufacturer hands him...really you all don't think Bobby paid for a single guitar do you? Dig into your ibanez connetions and ask how Bobby got his JB10. At least he's enjoyin' the ride. ROCK ON OUT! Jeffm725 Username: Jeffm725 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 1:33 pm:    actually the Musician line was designed with Bob Weir AND Jerry Garcia's input (or so legend has it at least). I have a picture (and it has been posted here) of Jerry Garcia playing a Musician in 1979. And as malleable as Weir was about trying different guitars, Garcia was that selective. He played 3!! guitars over the last 20 years of his career. That is being very selective. Also, our own Orval has an MC5000 that has a connection to Garcia. The whole "UE" effects line (UE700, UE400, etc etc etc)was a direct result of Bob Weir asking for the ability to have multiple stomp box effects in a single unit. Bob Weirs side band from the late 70's (Bobby and the Midnites) was a band that was formed exclusively of Ibanez/Tama endorsers! It just goes on and on. Point being if you don't see the vintage Ibanez connection with the Grateful Dead and how they intertwined in the mid to late 70's: a) you don't know your Ibanez history or b)you have your head in the sand. By the way, the above are general statements not a specific or personal jab at you,Ibanezer. Even the most knowedgeable collectors who happen to hate the Grateful Dead will grudgingly admit to the connection. I truly don't care whether someone likes the Dead or not. That is not why I read this board or why I post here. This is about Ibanez gear. I mention the Dead though because it was through the Dead that I became interested in Ibanez gear in the first place. JohnS, delete if you must, I understand, I always try to keep it about the gear, but felt the above comment needed addressing from a historical Ibanez standpoint. Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 4:37 pm:    Ibanezer: You sound pessimistic about Weir's work with Ibanez. Jeff Hasselberger has stated a few times how much R&D effort Weir put into the 2681 and Cowboy guitar. And Bobby Cochrane (not Dead, per se, but close enough to Weir) has been on the board talking about his input into the guitars and effects. I don't know what the "business arrangement" was back then. Whether it was free stuff or not. Personally, I think it should have been free. The top artists help sell lots of merchandise, just because of their name being attached to a piece of merchandise. BobW has said that he "acquired" the GB10 prototype that was supposed to be given to George Benson, because he saw it, played it, and told them he had to have it. So he got it. Not the most ethical thing to do. But I bet GB has forgiven him for it. As an endorser, BobW consistenly played his many Ibanez guitars and there are many photos and plenty of film to prove it. OTOH, JerryG was a distant partner in the "connection". After talking about making one, Ibanez did present him with a guitar. But it seems he had his favorites that he'd rather play. He wasn't seen playing the Ibanez much. BTW, I'll be moving this thread to the Miscellaneous section soon. Ibanezer Username: Ibanezer Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 5:36 pm:    jeff jeeeezzzz what is this JohnS delete if you must? i started this thread to keep the topic isolated from other postings. Do we not have freedom of speech in ICW forum? as for your case and facts to the posting.. well in my opinion they are not on target.In the last 20 years of Jerry Garcia's career Jerry played alot more than 3 guitars.here are just a few. 1 travis beam tb1000a 2 travis beam 500 3 ibanez musician 4 Irwin "wolf" 5 Irwin "rosebud" 6 Irwin "tiger" 7 black strat 8 Cripes "lighting bolt" 9 Cripes "top hat" 10 Cripes "headless"-never played on stage only in studio 11 Takamine acoustic 12 Martin acoustic 13 1939 Gibson super400n acoustic jeff really last i checked every player out there and their mother has a signature line guitar or they are pluggin' an amp or sound effect line.Your statement about Bobby's side band is not that profound to me at at all. If you think about it Weir has been living his life on endorsments --examples.. crate,line6,modulus just to name a few up to date.As for the Musician line and the Garcia/Weir legend...who knows but i will ask Bobby myself in November when he is in town. again if i offended you by posting a Grateful Dead thread sorry bro ...i felt the posting was fair and square. if the gods who run this site feel i should be rubbed out, go for it. I still have my guitars and will just "BEAT IT ON DOWN THE LINE" ROCK ON OUT! Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 5:50 pm:    Ibanezzzzzzzzzzzzer...no one here gives a f*^k how much you think you know about the Dead...and I certainly would not buck up against Jeffm725 for knowlege levels when it comes to GD. Just a warning. See, I have extreame reactions to those who gloat what night? what show? what list? what Jerry was on...and you fit the mold...but then, you brought it up. So, when joining any hub on the web, I'd listen for a bit first. Microdot polka on duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 5:52 pm:    Alright then, lost my head for a moment there... Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 6:02 pm:    Fight nice guys. Ibanezer Username: Ibanezer Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 6:23 pm:    strings, I never took a postion as the authority on Dead knowledge. I leave that to Dave Gans a man who really knows his stuff.What I posted was just simple facts you can find on the internet. example "dozin.com"--great site! all I did was take a position on the Dead /Ibanez connection and I stand behind my opinion.I really don't need a warning from a guy like you who states "Alright then, lost my head for a moment there..."you take care. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 6:32 pm:    Before Italy, please? Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 12:28 am:    Geee, ya got me...er wait - no - it was just an apology to everyone else...but that would easily pass you. Anyway, the funny thing is, you start a thread as if you are havin' a conversation in progress, - about what is anyone's guess - only there's no one there. And then you're at a loss as to how people respond...funny...and f875kin' strange...but most of all, arrogant as hell...ya know? Best, Strings Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 10:37 am:    There was a symbiotic relationship between Ibanez & the Dead. The Dead were a catalyst for new Ibanez guitars & effects. The Dead gave Ibanez credibility and brought about more well-known Ibanez endorsees. Ibanez gave the Dead good equipment. Believe me: Ibanez needed the Dead more than the Dead needed Ibanez. I've said this before: arguing about the Dead as a rock group should not be part of ICW, however, their contributions to eachother cannot be ignored. Without this relationship, may people including myself would not be part of ICW. Who knows, possibly ICW wouldn't exist! Ibanez was at a critical point in their history when the Dead relationship came about. This relationship created opportunities for Ibanez... Regarding the desire to sound like your guitar heros, why the hell not, even if it involves customizing your guitar? To each their own. Don't put people down just because you have different tastes. There's no right or wrong. Check out this picture. How many Ibanez products do you see? Guess what: this is the the Dead's gear, however, none of this is Weir's gear. mk Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 1:52 pm:    I myself believe that Ibanez would have survived with or without the The Dead. They were distributed world wide. I think the thing that made them what they are now is quality at an affordable price(bang for the buck). I myself certainly did not choose Ibanez because of the Dead and from reading older post on this subject some of our fellow members on the other side of the pond feel the same way. HoshinoUSA is just one piece of Ibanez. Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 4:03 pm:    True Freak...true! But I also think they made leaps and bounds with Cochran and Weir heavily involved...certainly for ARs and all EQ models. Best! Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 5:43 pm:    Oh I agree with that totaly. Those guys like Jeff H. and the other R&D guys did a great job working close with those guys back then. They had a lot of freedom to do what they wanted more than today. I know a few people at HoshinoUSA now and the atmosphere has changed a lot from how it was then.

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