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Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 10:57 am: | |
I started to preface my post in another thread with "this is NOT to become a discussion of stomp vs digi..." then I figured that won't be avoidable so, Thanks Freak! And to your point:
From what I've heard, most of the combos ended up in the dumpster after the initial rage...I never liked them. What I do know is that with the simple frigging Metal Zone that I use with my 'fatties' (10lbs and humbucking), I get the best damn tone for a non-organic overdrive/distortion effect...I don't know if it is just me or what. The mids can be tweaked just so and with it and the DD-3 (both set very low as effects), it seems just right. This all goes into a '73 MusicMan Sixty-Five (2-spring $hit)Reverb head (nothing special)with a Peavey Cab w/2x12 Celestions.
I don't have a history with a variety of effect brands or amps, was MXR until ~1990, but the Metal Zone is so much more versatile. And when compared to the combo overdrives...well, they just didn't maintain the density.
Not sure if groups like MuTron ever got into it...I would have like to have seen what they would have produced.
So, with a little starter...how's 'bout it fellas - Digi-combos or Dedicated-stomp?? |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 1:05 pm: | |
As I said in the other thread I am moving back in time to the old stomp pedals. I have had enough with trying to scroll through unuser friendly multi effects processors to find and adjust the sounds to my tastes. So of course I will be geting the some Ibanez tone lok pedals to start. My set up will be compression, chorus, analog delay, Ibanez PH9 phaser(which I have already. My amps which are set up for clean and distortion channel switching and an old Boss 10 band EQ.
I'll tell you the thing that bugged me the most in those multi's was the noise gate. Even at its lowest setting it would cut off my sustaining feedback that I somtimes like to fool around with so.... back to old school. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 09, 2006 - 3:21 pm: | |
***bump*** |
Snowjays
Username: Snowjays
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 09, 2006 - 9:56 pm: | |
Strings,
I've tried a number of digital combos over the years largely for recording. Digi-combos are to awkward for stage use and usually not as well built.
I do use some of the newer effects and agree on the DD3, but would rather use the compressor or the mxr for distortion. The only digi combo I still use is a Zoom RFX.
Here's my line up, first is the Boss TU2 (power), DD3, Ibanez TS9 (original), Boss Distortion DS1, Marshall compressor, Pearl Phaser, Marshall Supervibe, Boss Octaver, with the back up board running the MXR distortion, Pearl Overdrive,Parametric EQ and Korg Phaser.
Both amps run clean with footswitch boost/distortion (Roland and Marshall amps). |
Munch
Username: Munch
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 5:48 am: | |
Hi Strings,
In my opinion the stomp boxes are all over the digi-effects. However, you can just as easily buy a crap sounding stomp as a crap sounding multi-FX unit. In both cases you have to buy quality, yet quality seems easier to come by with stomp boxes.
Overall I feel digiFX are fine for recording and home use, but don't cut it on stage.
Cheers,
Mark |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 12:08 pm: | |
Cool...keep it comin' guys.
Munch,
Have you ever tried the Octive Divider closer to the axe (e.g. prior to distortion instead of after it). Works waaaaaay better for my simple setup. I use it first in line from the axe out. |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 12:10 pm: | |
Actually, now that I look at it, it looks like your talking in terms of Amp to guitar, no? |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 2:14 pm: | |
I've owned two digi multi-effects: Digitech RP7 and Boss GT6. I like the Boss much better. Both are pains to master and use simply. I also keep my Crybaby and TS9 (modded) in the loop, because they are one click away from exactly what I need, when I need it. My Boss DD2 is on the outs, but that used to be in the loop, too.
The Boss GT6 is a very nice board and provides some of the outlandish sounds that come in handy when you need human voices, octave dividers, woodwinds, etc. for special occasions. I like that the expression pedal can be used as a volume pedal, too. Actually, it's a very versatile board...I'm the one who's too slow to learn to use it adequately. |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 3:10 pm: | |
Ah this might sound hypocritical to my last post but I've been messing with a Peavy Deltafex and its user friendly and has knobs! It also has a great leslie speaker sound which I love. Still I plan on moving to the stomps. |
Jeffm725
Username: Jeffm725
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 4:49 pm: | |
strings - It is almost a universal guitar axiom that the octave divider be run at the beginning of a chain. They just don't work right otherwise unless you are looking to just get goofy with them.
John- I own a GT-6 and gig with it in one of my bands. It is by far the best sounding digital multi-effect unit I have ever tried or heard. The learning curve is fairly steep and I really had to live with it for a while before I liked it. I hated it at first. The secret for me is the realization that pretty much all the preset effects were crap (again speaking for me) they were not level matched at all and varied wildly. What I did was tear down a patch to absolute zero effects, set the levels so it was at unity gain (so that with the effect plugged in or unplugged my guitar volume and amp volume were the same) and started building up patches. I created a single patch that just had a touch of delay and some reverb and was very clean and used that as my "base patch" for all other patches I built. I would throw some distortion on one, or some chorus on another...etc.etc..but always on top of the same base patch. This way my guitar always sounded like my guitar and not like two totally different instruments as you sometimes hear when fooling with differnet patches on these units.
Also, while the amp simulator on this unit actually works pretty well at simulating amps, it does not work for me at all in a live setting. I have used the amp simulator when going straight to mixing board in the studio, but when playing live, no way.
The modeling for some of this stuff is amazing. The TS-808 sim is DEAD ON! I have a real vintage TS_808 and ave a/b'd them. It is amazing. The Different wahs are great and the delays and phasers are wonderful too.
What I really use it as is for coloring my sound not defining it, which is different from it's intent I think. But it works well for it. I mean where else for a couple hundred bucks can you get a TS-808, a script logo MXR Distortion+, A proco RAT, a DS-1 and those are just a few Distortion choices.
Again though, I really had to tweak the hell out of it to get it to where I found it usable. Now it is invaluable to me.
I also will play with my other band and use ONLY analog stomps. SO I see both sides of the fence in this conversation. It really depends on what sounds you are looking for. Analog stomps are great, especially when using the classics. I find that when I use all stomps as opposed to just the GT-6 and a couple stomps, is that I have to spend more time at the gig and sound check dialing stuff in for the room.
The Gt-6 I have to spend a lot of maintenance time in at home getting everything set just the way I like it, but is pretty hassle free at gigs after that (and I just have to change the master eq for the room Im in which takes all of a minute) |
Strings
Username: Strings
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 5:54 pm: | |
Sorry Munch...I meant the 'Oct Div in the chain' question for Snowjays.
Thanks for that feedback Jeff! |
Snowjays
Username: Snowjays
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 7:39 pm: | |
Strings,
Sorry that in reverse order from my guitar. |
335clone
Username: 335clone
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 11:00 pm: | |
I love my Boss ME-50 its simple to use and has just about everything i need for my liking.I use to own a Digitech PR-something wasnt too complicated,(didnt like the artists tones that much)Usually when i see a LCD display i shy away from it.I dont have much time to play around w/ all kinds of different modes,and set up.Strike while the iron is hot- so to speak, and playing around w/ all kinds of modes takes away from my inspiration time.When i get a good idea i want to capture it right away and not get bogged down in modes.Even though i use the Boss ME-50 which is a multi effect pedal,its not complicated at all to opperate,and is basically set up like a mini pedal board.I can even opperate it w/ my hand,when i sit down and play which is 99% of the time.Anyway if i had the money i would just get individual pedals- this to me makes sense,considering i only use a few effects.Distortion,Chorus,Tremolo,Reverb.Delay, Wah w/ some Compression added.Maybe the ME-50 is overkill for me?Got it on sale ,so why not ! |
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