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Author Message Harry (Harry) Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 3:55 am:    Hi all! There is this guy that offered me a beautiful 2363 SL in good condition. An "Iceman" from the period before it was called so. It's a 1975-er, but unfortunately the whole slide-pickup unit is missing. I already put a message in the "free classifieds" section, because I sure hope that somebody could help me out to get this guitar complete again. I think my interest depends on that matter, because: if not complete, what's the use and what's the value? The seller is asking about 250 US dollar for the guitar "as it is". What do you guys think? Should I buy it to prevent it from further demolition and hoping maybe for years that someday such a unit might show up? Or leave it with tears in my eyes, jerning over another "lost beauty".....? Greetz, Harry Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 5:33 am:    Hi All! Sorry, wrong model number. Should be 2663 SL of course (shame, shame.....) Harry Cameron (Cameron) Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 9:19 pm:    Hi Harry, that's a real tough call, I doubt these days you would ever find the sliding pickup for this model.There's one for sale here in Sydney with the chrome pickup cover missing (non-sliding)for $1500.00 ausd.Parts for the oldies are a real issue, I don't think even my junky box(Spiro's playground)can resolve this issue. Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 3:10 am:    Cameron! Thanks for the reply. I almost don't dare to hope I'll find the missing part. You leave me with a few questions: the part that's for sale (my God, what a price!! Shouldn't this be 150 ausd.?) is it an original and fitting part? Why is it "non-sliding"? Because somebody made it that way (soldering in a fixed position/screws, or what?) What do you mean by "Spiro's playground"? Does Spiro have a big amount of spare parts? If this is correct and Spiro, if you read this, please reply to me!! Do you have the part I am looking for or do you have other adresses I could try? I would like to mobilise the whole Ibanez collector's army to help me out here, with the most pleasing reward: to save this beauty by cooperation and of cause....my eternal gratitude!! Greetz, Harry Spiro (Spiro) Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 5:36 am:    Yeah the playground is getting smaller and smaller though... Harry I dont have the part in question.. Cameron meant there is an IC210 for sale for $1500 AUD not the part.... I went through this whole situation about a year ago with a triple coil pickup and surround for an IC210.. I ended up pulling the original pickup to bits and bringing back to almost new condition as the old pickup surround had deteriorated and ruined the pickup.. I also made a new surround exactly like the original because I couldnt find anything in parts to replace it.. I think you are going to be hard pressed finding the parts.. What I do suggest is that if you are going to buy it make up a surround that uses existing holes and pop 2 humbuckers into it... keep it like that until you find a the exact part... at least you will be able to display it or play it you wouldnt want to give up not having one of these... Cameron (Cameron) Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 8:57 pm:    Harry, to clear up the mystery of Spiro's playground, when I say this that's when Spiro comes to my office and plays in my old junk boxes of old Ibanez parts,I have bits and pieces from the 70's to now, and Spiro likes to rumage through them as I do looking for goodies for fellow Ibaneezers. I agree with Spiro's answer, seems the only logical thing to do. Harry (Harry) Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 2:38 am:    Hi Spiro, Cameron! Thanx guys! I'm afraid I'll never succeed. But there is hope: I also mailed Jim Donahue and he told me that he had a friend who removed the wanted unit from the same type of Iceman in order to put new pups in. JD will ask the guy if he still has the old part. I will here from Jim in a few days. If only this could come true.... Fingers crossed! (and of course; after I sent the message I realised Cameron ment the whole guitar, not just the part.....) Greetz, Harry Munch (Munch) Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 12:11 am:    Harry, Have you got any good news to complete this compelling story??? Regards, Mark Johns (Johns) Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 7:36 am:    Hey Mark: Your presence has been missed! I've wanted to contact you, but the email I have for you is old. If you have a new address, please send me an email. Thanks, JohnS Smooth (Smooth) Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 10:15 am:    Hi guys, I thought it might interest you this Iceman on sale on ebay ; http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519401330 Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 11:25 am:    Hi all! Well, as far as the missing part for the old Iceman is concerned: JD contacted his friend about the slide-pickup unit he had removed in order to put some other pickups in (....), but the guy didn't want to get rid of it. My God! Over here in Holland is a guitar that's missing an essential part. Over there in the US is a part laying around useless, missing that same guitar!!! How crazy can this world be? I asked JD if he would PLEASE give me the e-mail adress of this guy, but so far I have got no answer...... You believe I would offer this guy gladly 150 bucks for that unit? You sure bet! Greetz, Harry Munch (Munch) Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 1:08 am:    Hi John, I'll send you an email with my new address. It I don't get to check it too often though. I plan to purchase a computer for home soon - so I'll be rejoining the board once that's done. Harry, I feel for you man!! I guess the guy intends to fit it back into his own guitar at some stage. Maybe he can photograph the sliding mechanism and you could then get something made up. Cheers, Mark Harry (Harry) Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 6:03 am:    Hello all! Well, it seems that my hope is shattered to pieces. It will be very difficult, if not impossible, to get the old Iceman fixed again. In the meantime I will try to come as close as possible to the original looks of the guitar. I think I can make a kind of mounting unit thingie myself from black plastic or something of that kind, and I do have some original Super 70 pups. But I would rather put in a genuine triple coil. I learned by research on Mark's site that similar pickups were used on the Iceman IC 210 (catalogue 1978/1979). So Ibanez must have produced these pups for at least 5 or 6 years. How glad I would be if I could get one! Anybody who has such a pickup for me? I would be sooooooo grateful! Would it be an option to contact Ibanez Japan directly? Somebody got a contact-link? Greetz, Harry Mark_Hartman (Mark_Hartman) Posted on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 8:57 am:    Hey Harry, On a similar note, check out this auction for a guitar like the one you are buying. It has also lost it's sliding triple coil pickup and mechanism somewhere in time. It does have the peculiar neck stamping though (Z 06), discussed elsewhere on this board. Fascinating... Ibanez Artist 2663SL auction Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 4:12 pm:    Thanks Mark! I mailed the seller if he maybe by accident has the original pup laying around somewhere, or if he knows where it might be..... pffff.....this is what I call "hunting". Will I ever.......????? Keep looking around for me fellas, please!! Greetz, Harry Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 3:17 am:    Hi all! Well....Dead end Street again. The seller answered my mail and said he got this guitar the way it is now. He didn't know where the original part has gone....Hmmmm, guess I ask detective Columbo, maybe he can do some research... Greetz, Harry Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 11:47 am:    Mark! I'm asking you as the expert on the old Iceman/Artist guitars: I noticed that my guitar does not have any number or what so ever embossed in the fretboard close to the body or anywhere else, nor does it have a serial number. Does this mean it could be a very early one? Harry Mark_Hartman (Mark_Hartman) Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 11:06 pm:    Harry, Yes, I believe it does. Since no one really knows what the stamping is all about...your guess is as accurate as anyone can surmise at this point. I'm thinking that first, there were no markings at all. Then some guitars were marked with hand stampings, after which regular production serial numbers were established. Sort of like, "Hey! Let's try this numbering thingy out.." then, "Hey! It works! " But, now that I think about it, I may have it backwards. Or I may be backwards... Perhaps the very earliest guitars, which were barely past prototype stage, received hand stamping as identification of last minute modifications prior to mass production. Nah, probably not. Anyone else wanna take a stab at it?

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