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Author Message Johns (Johns) Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:35 am:    Anybody notice anything fishy with this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517734912 Gitfiddle1 (Gitfiddle1) Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 12:27 pm:    Hi John, I'm not an expert on the Jazz type Ibanez models. However, it's clearly a 1991 model, NOT an '82 as the ad states. That what you were getting at? Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 1:38 pm:    Steve: Yup. I wonder if the buyer figured that out before committing? Maybe 9 years isn't a big deal to him? It would be to many around these parts. Sometimes, something too good to be true...is just that. JohnS Johns (Johns) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 4:44 pm:    Just curious why this one went so cheap. Was it the signature? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=870919374 Gitfiddle1 (Gitfiddle1) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 5:22 pm:    Good question. It doesn't appear to have any unusual issues. Yellowed binding is standard equipment for guitar of this age. I think somebody got a deal! Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 5:33 pm:    Steve: Yup! Funkle (Funkle) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 6:59 pm:    Some possibilities: -he says he played over 500 shows with it. So it is pretty heavily gigged. -The model # is not listed in the auction. -It is an '88. People seem to prefer the early '80s Am205s -It has a big fat signature across the front of it. I guess if you're a big W.C. Clark fan, this would be a plus - I've never heard of the guy. This probably makes it less collectable my ¢2 Johns (Johns) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 8:23 pm:    Funkle: I'm surprised the seller had such a low reserve. However, "mint" and "played at over 500 gigs in bars" seems a little hard to reconcile. But, the pictures look good...I'd take a chance. And it's NOT an '88. According to the serial number, it's an '83! The headstock is consistent with an early 80s date, too. Notice, he doesn't say he bought it new in '88. I've never heard of WC Clark, either, but I'd say his signature helped somebody get a nice AM205 for a great price. Orval (Orval) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 8:56 pm:    i have not talked to wc directly, but i did visit with his bass player between sets. wc was playing a late 70's performer model that night. i mentioned to the bass player that i was interested in ibanez and he said that wc had some sort of ibanez endorsement(or some appreciation for ibanez at the least). if you read the credits on some of srv's songs, you will find that wc clark shared the duties. so, if in the lower midwest, and you get a chance to see a wc clark show, by all means take it in. and then about signing a guitar. i once thought about having bob weir sign my namesake guitar on the back of the headstock. i dont regret deciding against it. i like my ibanez guitars because of the way they look, an autograph would not improve the appearance. Jerryneves (Jerryneves) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 9:27 pm:    I bid up to the end on this guitar. He scared people away with the binding needs to be scraped line in the description, in reference to the yellowed binding. I asked alot of questions and he sent a bunch of pictures. The guitar was all orig except a refret. If I didnt already have one I would have bid up to $900. The signature would have easily polished off of the rock hard Ibanez finish!! I am still sorry I did not at least bid up to $800. Jerry Funkle (Funkle) Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 2:36 am:    I sympathize with you Jerry; I think I regret not bidding on almost every Japanese made Ibanez semi or full hollow-body that goes for a lower than average price on eBay. I'm still regretting passing on that AM66 that just went unsold, or that AS50 that went for $200 a while back, or those two AM200s that went for around $600. I guess there are worse things you could be addicted to. -Sven Johns (Johns) Posted on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 10:36 pm:    I saw this in the description of an auction on ebay: "I just recently had the guitar professionally set up by a professional lutheran, and was inspected from top to bottom." Is a "professional lutheran" better than a luthier? Johns (Johns) Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 10:25 pm:    Something looks fishy with this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=921789443 Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 3:49 am:    Hi John! The fishy part: I don't believe this is an Ibanez at all! Greetz, Harry Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 3:50 am:    Phew! I can smell it from over here. six Munch (Munch) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 6:48 am:    Guys, If you read the ad carefully he calls it an "Ibanez Artist late '70's early '80's copy". And he's opened the bidding at $1. He is not trying to fool anyone. Bad looking guitar though. Cheers, Mark Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 8:19 am:    Mark: Respectfully, I disagree. This is a case of bait and switch. His ad headline, both on the index page and above the pictures, states it is an Ibanez Artist and he even attempts to offer a date. Buried in the small print is ONE word of clarification: "copy". It's not a copy...not even close. I conclude he's being deceptive because he's a dealer. He should know better because selling guitars is his business. I really don't think it's relevant to the real issue that he only wants $1.00 to start; besides it doesn't work. But you are right, it is ugly. Ccs (Ccs) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 9:23 am:    I believe it's actually a Vantage,I've seen the strange headstock on Vantage V's. Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 9:50 am:    Ccs: Vantage, Hondo, SD Curlee were all brands that popped into my head...rather than Ibanez. I'll bet that Michael Wright could tell us what this was. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 2:51 pm:    I wouldn't be so quick to assume there's intentional deception here. Ignorance, maybe I've dealt with these guys before. I think they're pretty much straight shooters. Anybody send 'em an e-mail yet? When I saw this guitar, I immediately thought "Aria". I'd be cool to see it first hand. Cheers Steve Munch (Munch) Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 6:58 am:    John, The headline "Ibanez Artist" has been used to catch a look from someone looking for an Artist. I don't believe for one minute that this guy is trying to fool anyone into believing it is a bone fide Ibanez. I could be wrong though! Cheers, Mark Tim_Walker (Tim_Walker) Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 8:29 pm:    He can't REALLY think it looks like an Artist can he? I think a dog poo with strings on would be closer! Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:26 pm:    I sent an e-mail and politely tried to explain the error(s). Some wording was changed, but the ad still tries to pass this off as a "60's" model. I'll not be doing business with this outfit... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=922344743&rd=1 Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 8:27 pm:    Steve: Well, look on the bright side, at least it IS an Ibanez and not some hokey copy touted to have been "made in the Ibanez factory". Considering the prices I've seen asked for boltneck LPs, $250.00 isn't too bad a price. Somebody grab a pair of pliers and snip those string ends! Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 1:01 pm:    LOL !! I just went back and looked again. They must be getting a lot of e-mail about the text. It's been edited AGAIN. Now they say "60's or 70's model". Obviously the interested buyers are savy enough to know better. There's stilll no bids... And, yeah! What the hell is up with not trimming the strings! I see that a lot. Bugs the crap out of me !! Cheers Steve Orval (Orval) Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 6:06 pm:    steve, its a retro thing, i can remember when not trimming the strings was a cool thing to do in the 60's just like growing your hair long. :?) Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 6:24 pm:    Hmm... I keep my strings trimmed short. But, my hair reaches to the middle of my back! Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 9:57 am:    For a long time I used coil the extra wire into little circlets. I guess I couldn't afford a pair of pliers. Johns (Johns) Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 10:49 am:    Here's another one with string ends that could poke your eye out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=924317839 Nice '77 2618, too. Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 12:26 pm:    Very nice Artist, definitely in need of a hair cut. Speaking of which, this UK dealer has a nice 2619 in stock (although not quite the one I'm after). Also note the Ibanez plexi Dan Armstrong, the Iceman and a white Antoria Les Paul Custom. http://www.wizardguitars.com/acatalog/index.html six Johns (Johns) Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 1:27 pm:    Six: Very nice selection. I like that tobacco Gibby L5-s. I've not seen so many Tokais in one spot and have never seen a Tokai SG! Cool. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 1:33 pm:    Too bad they're across the pond Cheers Steve Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 9:03 pm:    I've had many Tokais over the past 20 years. I still have a 81' blonde Tokai 335 that's a real peach and an black 84' Tele (zzzing!). The SG's are nice and the Love Rocks and the old Reborn Lesters are terrific. Still love vintage Ibanez the best though. six Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 12:52 am:    I'm speechless....... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=928377465 Seriously, I am at a loss for words.... Cheers Steve Tim_Walker (Tim_Walker) Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 5:55 am:    Zero bids....what a surprise! Anyone else thought about playing without B & E strings? We don't need them do we? Musash (Musash) Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 6:33 am:    Steve, this is your chance! Grab it before it is too late mate! LOL Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 7:51 am:    Too many noughts on the price and not enough strings attached. It's got to be a 'wind-up'. As I recall, "The Presidents of the United States of America" used very few strings and alternative tunings on their guitars. Sounded okay. What happened to them? Guitarworkz (Guitarworkz) Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 8:37 am:    Har! People shouldn't auction guitars while they are high on crack. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 12:31 pm:    Regardless of the missing strings and other issues, a 1990 Roadstar? Nothing Roadstar was made after 1988. The last "Roadstar II Series" was 1986. "Apraised" for $3000-3500? By who? His crack dealer? It's like claiming to have a 1990 Musician. I hope nobody gets sucked into his BS... Cheers Steve Craigjc (Craigjc) Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 6:30 pm:    Yeah, yeah, I got a ... um ... 1997 Special Agent that has so much inlay on the body they ran out of body and the inlay goes all the way around the back of the guitar. It's been appraised at 87 gazillion dollars but, sorry, I don't have a picture. Oops...gotta go...I'm outta crack. Ya know, Ebay is a wonderful thing but it brings out all the scum trying to con some poor musician into sending money for nothing. Any way we can stop this dude from selling this imaginary guitar? Tim_Walker (Tim_Walker) Posted on Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 6:56 am:    Also, you'll notice his feedback is all for buying items and none for selling.....too dodgy! Maniac (Maniac) Posted on Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 3:42 pm:    Hey Guys, Maybe this guy is related to the scam Artist who now hides his bad feedbacks.. matsco (private) He is the one selling the "Vintage" AS200 Item # 928608444 that is mentioned this week with the headstock question. He is also the guy who left me 2 negative feedbacks after I bought the "made in Japan" AS50 "setneck" that ended up being a Korean bolt on neck. If you recall that thread, he used pictures of a 1980's AS50 with setneck on the listing istead of the actual guitar that he was selling. Ebay suspended him for a while and when he came back, he had his feedbacks hidden. At least the AS200 shows the real headstock of the guitar being offered. Take note they are both located in Oklahoma. Maniac Johns (Johns) Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:32 am:    Checkout the logic for the pricing on this modified, lefty Ibanez LP: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2525601716&category=33043 Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 1:32 pm:    checkout the strings, its strung for for righthanders K Johns (Johns) Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 2:49 pm:    Paddy: That's because it must have been owned by Jimi Hendrix. How can you argue with logic (and spelling) like this: "in 1977 this guitar was bought for 375 + tax, so it being VINTAGE, i will sell it for twice that. i think this is a FARE starting price for this lefty!" A lefty guitar set-up for a righty. That's worth a premium. "Customized with 3 pickups, one in bridge position is a Seymore Duncan buckshot (like Angus Young - high output)." I prefer to buy all my replacement pickups from a guy named Seemore Dunkin'. Buy 2 pickups and get a coffee and dounut for free. "All of the hardware is new! Factory replacement for this guitar. New Gibson knobs, toggle switches." It's a little known fact that Gibson supplied all the parts for Ibanez guitars. "Has original vintage pots, work perfectly." Hmmm, the pots seem to be the only "original" parts on the guitar. "Solid chambered body" Yeah, just like a Frampton model from Gibson. If it weren't for ebay, we'd have no one to make fun of. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 5:16 pm:    Um, yeah, sure, okay... The seller is either very ignorant or very slimy. Cheers Steve Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 7:08 pm:    After having some time to think on it... Ignorant AND slimy !! Cheers Steve Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 6:14 am:    John, and Steve, I think this model is the "BITZA", its made from bitza this and bitza that, its probably still a good players guitar tho, --- mind boggling description --- and 10 out of 10 for unashamed cheek. Paddy. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 12:05 pm:    Check out the "Buy It Now" price !!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2527803074&category=33043 Cheers Steve Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 12:18 pm:    Too good to miss! I'll take two Mr Lucknvegas! Hes in the right ball park with his name though! Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 1:37 pm:    What gets into people? Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:48 am:    heres a strange one, a 6/4? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2525580803&category=2384 Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 8:40 pm:    Just noticed Mr Vegas has relisted with a reasonalble BIN price ! Elecktrokatt (Elecktrokatt) Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 4:43 am:    Sometimes a guy just really WANTS knob! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2528444213&category=33043&rd=1 Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 8:45 am:    Elecktrokatt: $33 per knob must be a bargain. Elecktrokatt (Elecktrokatt) Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 1:46 pm:    Johns, I reckon it kinda depends on who you git da knob from, eh? LOL Ekatt Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 7:13 am:    Looks like the luck has turned in vegas..same guitar less than 25% of the original BIN..any takers ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2530856116&category=33043 Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 10:47 am:    Now that's a reasonable price! Unfortunately, this one is NOT: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2530847484&category=33043 Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 8:48 pm:    Here's another one with an unrealistic Buy It Now price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2535688489&category=33043 Johns (Johns) Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 8:51 pm:    It looks like Mr. Treasurerecycler has $1200.00 on the brain. Here's another item with that Buy It Now price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2535675067&category=33043 Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 8:36 pm:    Sorry John, I'm completely lost by that one above. $1200 for a T-shirt and a frock!! six Johns (Johns) Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 10:54 pm:    Six: The top one is a '78 Studio 300 and the bottom is an '85 A350 in polar white. The seller wants $1200.00 for each. Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 7:21 am:    Well that's weird. I clicked on your link John and was directed to a clothing auction for the aforementioned T- shirt and ladies frock! Must have been a glitch......I'll try again Tim_Gueguen (Tim_Gueguen) Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 4:35 pm:    That ST300 auction is amusing to me given that a local shop had an ST300 in a couple of years back they wanted $450 or thereabouts Canadian for. Elecktrokatt (Elecktrokatt) Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 9:39 am:    How bout this'n http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2534657992&category=2384&rd=1 Then, you've got shipping from AUSTRALIA! HA Craigjc (Craigjc) Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 10:31 am:    I know that Ibanez has experimented with designs, hardware, and such over the years, but Mr. Treasurerecycler's offerings (like the ST300 mentioned above) are absolutely the most off-the-wall Ibanezes I've ever seen!! I've heard of fretless, but these must be stringless. Regardless of this guy's obvious screw-up, he sure has generated a lot of attention at ICW. ---- As for the Artist from Australia...economic inflation must be really bad down under!! Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 1:28 pm:    Just out of curiousity, what do you think an early 80s, AR300 like this cherryburst should be going for? Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 3:40 pm:    "Should be going for"? It SHOULD be earning the same respect and dollars as a similar Les Paul. In reality, $500-700. IMHO Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 9:16 am:    Steve: I agree with the opinion on it's monetary value not matching that of the LPs from the same era. I really think these guitars should be starting at $650 and maxxing around $850. Munch (Munch) Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 6:43 pm:    John, I agree with your pricing estimates. That Artist didn't attract a single bid. Artist like that should sell for around $1,200 AUS. Cheers, Mark Jimmys (Jimmys) Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 4:33 am:    Hi, I saw an AR300CS in really good condition for sale on consignment in a shop in Canberra (Australia) for $2200AUD recently. I also saw an AR305AV in average condition in another shop for $2200AUD. I nearly bought it but picked up a beautiful AM205 for half the price instead! I think that this is a fairly high price for these guitars in Australia, despite how good they are. Mind you, a new AR2000 is around $3500AUD plus. Cheers, James Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 11:46 am:    theres nothing wrong with this auction, but am I just a touch cynical that the seller hasnt a clue what the model is, but knows its all original!! almost professionlly photographed on a stand, and appears to have a high reserve, and is on for ten days. Upon my word I didnt know it was a scruggs with the vine of life inlays, Honest I didnt! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2537666533&category=238 Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 7:42 am:    Hi all! Yeah, I fully agree! Don't ever believe this guy is ignorant about the guitar he's selling. If he really were a layman, he probably would have thought: "Hey, what have I got here? Looks like some weird Les Paul model, it's an Ibanez, so Japanese crap from probably the seventies. What will it be worth? 300, 400 dollar maybe?" At this moment the biddings have gone up to 661 British Pounds, that's 1106 US dollars. And still the reserve price has not yet been met.....Seems obvious that he damn well knows what he's selling here! Since I was one of the bidders (I stopped at 600) I asked the seller about this strange matter. He never sent me an answer...... Nevertheless: it's a hell of a beauty and all original. Should I go to 700?...Hmmmmm....Let's see, did I win the lottery last week....? Kind greetz, Harry Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 4:53 pm:    Ive checked the location of the seller, its a small town/village close to the border of england and wales. Harry, that box looks sweet, it all depends on whether your heart rules your head, or your head rules your heart, regards Paddy Fox (Fox) Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 6:42 pm:    Well Harry, if I were you... OK, an old Finnish proverb roughly translated says: It is very easy to sit in fire with another one´s trousers.. greets Arto a.k.a. fox Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 5:27 am:    Arto, Harry, Ill try to explain my little proverb, the head process's all the information, but the heart tells you whether its true. regards Paddy. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 3:58 am:    OMG !! Where do these lugs get their info? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561139495 Note the E85**** serial number. Cheers Steve Ericibanez (Ericibanez) Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 6:55 pm:    Is that a spray paint silloette next to the Elvis poster? It might be the only new black one in production - now. Bigmike (Bigmike) Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 12:10 am:    Man, what a load !! I was waiting for the guy to say that Elvis played one of these ;-)) Must be buying crack from the same dealer that those other guys (mentioned above) are. BigMike Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:29 am:    And once more: Where do these folks get this information? Who said Custom Agents weren't a regular production item? Seems like there's quite a few still in circulation for a "Special Order" item. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561799883&category=2384 Cheers Steve Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:34 am:    ROFLMMFAO !!! Cameron, you'd better reign-in your mates down under. Look at the price this guy is asking for a BLAZER !!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561782385&category=2384 Cheers Steve Ericibanez (Ericibanez) Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:27 pm:    2K for a CA WOW! That one looks really nice. Ibanez logo pups orig. , urn headstock. It looks like a pre-s/n CA, which I know you may disagree but it may be considered rare, for CA collectors. If he was selling here in the states I wouldn't be surprised if it brought in 1500 - 1700 due to the stock pups, case etc. 2000 might be high, I don't collect them much so I'm kind of out of the loop on that. Although I sold an OK one last month for 700 and the buyer got a good deal (his words). I had seen a semi nice one go for 1300 last month (fair - good shape w/ replaced pups and 2nd generation inlay). On the other hand I had also saw that someone sold 2 CA in one auction and the pair went for something like 1200! None of the above were near as nice as this one. I doubt it will sell that high as the starting bid is way up there. On anther subject what do you guys think of the CAs? I like the neck and resonance from the hollow cavities under the top. I think paying 2K for one would not be wise though. Nice but not 2K worth of nice. Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 10:04 am:    I sold my CA (the one seen in ICW's logo) at a guitar show in June. Didn't get anywhere near $1200. I thought the market for them had flattened. I guess I should have put it on ebay instead. Eric, I was not a fan of the CA's construction, materials and pickups. Or of the neck width and profile. It just felt disappointing to play it. I guess I'm spoiled by my all my other Artists. Bobmeredith (Bobmeredith) Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 8:03 pm:    I agree with John. One of my students recently picked up a CA for US$300 in a pawn shop.There's another one on this link for about US$900. http://www.ibanezguitarcentre.com.au/ That's all they worth IMHO. Even with replacement pups the thing still feeds back at bedroom volumes. The original pups were rubbish, as were the tuners. The sound cavities are probably the cause of the feedback, the budget Performers had the same problem.(PF 400 very very nice) As a players instument I think the CA is rubbish, but I have to admit they are a beautiful wall ornament. I feel the more we rabbit on about old rubbish (pre 1976) the more value dealers and opportunists place on some of this old junk. Unfortunately this raises the hysteria/nonsense & prices across the board. It makes it hard for a pro player to pick up a good instrument for a reasonable price. Please don't hurt me Bob PS did anyone see the PS10 on aussie Ebay for US$4000? I rest my case Johns (Johns) Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 9:54 am:    Bob: I really wish you didn't "have" to agree with me about the quality and playability of the CA. I was hot to get one at the beginning of my collecting and then very disappointed from the moment I got it. IMHO it inherited the worst of their cheap replica construction, but does signal their branching out into "original looking" guitars, that would very quickly become quality constructed "original designs". I'd have some problems buying from the Ibanez Guitar Centre. Their knowledge of collectible Ibanez guitars is suspect. The CA is described as a "carved" birch body. No way is it carved! Also, the majority of the body is a sandwich of mahogany pieces glued together. Very misleading. The 2617 ash Artist is listed as a '79. It has the bridge and tailpiece of a '77. Unless the Australians were being supplied with old stock in '79, I'd say they have a problem with dating "collectible" Ibanez guitars. Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 12:55 pm:    I really have to disagree with John and Bob regarding the CA's. Although the recent auctions have been asking prices that are really out of line for these guitars, I am a true fan of these guitars. I have 3 70's ERA G**** LP's which are collectable due to their flamey tops and , of course, the decal on the headstock. As far as their playability-the mini humbuckers are thin and uninspired and all three are VERY HEAVY. I refer to them as my "Logs". In contrast, the CA's , aside from their unique look, are light-with fast necks and decent PUPS. The logo super 70's are a very close match to G***** buckers of the 70's (to my ear thru my Marshall stack at "4"). I can gig all night with the CA without having to call the chiropractor in the morning-and I can coax some real hot vintage sounds out of those 70's-I have never had a feedback problem with any of my CA's. All in all I think that the CA is one of the great values in Vintage guitars-as long as the prices stay resonable-2k is absurd (even though that particular guitar looks real mint, I don't think a cherry burst in mint condition would sell for any more than $1100 or so).I guess guitars are like cars-some folks lust for Porche and others really dig the '69 Charger R/T...... Bobmeredith (Bobmeredith) Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 10:01 pm:    John, I think The Ibanez centre got their info off the ibanezvintage.com site. It lists the 2405 as having a carved birch top. I really like this site for it's intelligent, considered discussions. If any of my generalizations have offended anyone I apologize. I think it's important to realise that if a guitar makes you play the most creative you've ever played; then it's a great guitar, whatever it looks or sounds like. Price, vintage, brand, & hardware become irrelevant if you apply this test. Wife and daughter have gone shopping, time to get out the LR-10, turn up the boogie and annoy the neighbours. Ciao Bob Fox (Fox) Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 9:19 am:    Looks like this music-shop is either fooling ebayers or has got some basic information wrong... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2366790773&category=33043 Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 10:18 am:    Not the first time for this outfit to mis-represent on eBay. Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 1:30 pm:    I didnt know Ibanez made this model in 1980. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2372832636&category=2384 Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 4:03 pm:    Read the auction-first time I ever saw the word "whilst" in print ! Johns (Johns) Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 4:55 pm:    The thin peghead and matching burl mahogany pickguard identify it as a much newer model. Without seeing the serial number, I'd guess it's something like H80xxxxx. Which would make it a '98. Whilst = the King's English, no? Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 6:44 pm:    Be that the 'Queens' English Sir. Sir six Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 1:02 pm:    Who says AM200's are not as desirable as AM205's. It has reached $1,600+ with three and a half days to go. Wow. Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 7:50 pm:    I wonder if these bidders realize that's in Pounds not Dollars. Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 7:57 pm:    ...and a strong British Pound against the Dollars no less. Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 5:19 am:    I am thoroughly abusing the US/UK exchange rate these days. Thanks Dubya Dubya. six Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 1:24 pm:    GAX ??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3714098222 Nope! AR30 !!! Cheers Steve Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 1:40 pm:    Grrrr........... USA made? El Toro poopoo!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3713893485&category=33043 What d'ya bet it's got one o' them Bensalem neckplates? I really Ibanez hadn't done that... Cheers Steve Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 3:19 pm:    Damn! Wish, I really WISH Ibanez hadn't done that. Stupid fingers... Cheers Steve Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 7:32 pm:    I e-mailed the seller on the one above. He sent me a thank-you and corrected his ad. That just made my day. And maybe even restored some of my faith in the human race. Then again... Cheers Steve Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 2:18 pm:    I think I've said this before; Who said they were a special order item? There's an awful lot of 'em out there. And, knowing the distribution system at the time, "custom" or "special order" just doesn't make any sense. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2384&item=3717836796&rd=1 If it was a special order only guitar, who did you place the order with? Harry Rosenbloom? Jeff Hasselberger? "Rarest Ibanez guitar in existance?" Who is this AJ anyway? Cameron, can we get some info from Hoshino on this issue. I'd like to see some production numbers, but from what JD told me years back, there's no records prior to '78. Cheers Steve Captainibanez (Captainibanez) Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 9:55 pm:    Steve, I 'll get intouch with the guy's this week and see if I can put the lid on this long outstanding argument once and for all. Funny that JD said there's no records prior to 1978, cause I was able to get the build numbers for the Artwood twin necks from 1976. As for the ebay auction, I know that we don't deal with these guy's in Tassie....but by far the rarest....give me a break...this model is a common as assholes! Cameron Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 1:07 pm:    Lemme qualify the statement JD made. I inquired about a specific model and he sent me numbers for '78 and later. When I asked about the figures for '77, he said there was none available. I took that to mean there were no records before '78. I realize now that I read too much into that statement. Cheers Steve Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 2:23 pm:    Here we go AGAIN !! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2384&item=3720136557&rd=1 Cheers Steve Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 4:38 am:    The seller describes this guitar as ten out of ten. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=3721661400&rd=1 Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 12:32 pm:    Real nice professional nut replacemet too-that 3" crack in the neck binding should rate at least an 11 ! Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 12:33 pm:    Real nice professional nut replacemet too-that 3" crack in the neck binding should rate at least an 11 ! Ibanezfreak1960 (Ibanezfreak1960) Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 2:49 pm:    I think that this guitar saw a lot of abuse. Like being knocked over a lot. Johns (Johns) Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 9:13 am:    Paddy: Not a 10 in the condition department...just in the "sound and coolness" area. Hey, maybe Ginger Baker knocked it over and put some of those dings in it? Cooool! Ibanezfreak1960 (Ibanezfreak1960) Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 1:21 pm:    I hope those dings didn't come from objects thrown at the band like in the Blues Brothers movie when they were in that country bar! Jeffsailor (Jeffsailor) Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:48 am:    Guys, I know this isn't an Ibanez auction, but I thought you might get a kick out of it. Take a (close) look at the photo in this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47069&item=3722588750&rd=1 I asked the seller if he had any more photos and this is what he sent me: Am I nuts or does it look like he took a picture of a monitor displaying a video recorded image of the guitar? Would anyone out there trust that these are real pictures? js Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 12:49 pm:    Touched up a bit: Johns (Johns) Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:48 am:    Technology can be a dangerous thing in some people's hands. I'm still trying to figure what circumstances would make something this contorted necessary. If you have a digital image of the guitar, why take a digital image of the digital image being displayed on the screen (is it a TV or monitor)? Thanks to Steve we can all agree that this is a Strat. Yup, no question about it. From the saddles, I'd guess that this is not EC's Blackie. Do you concur? Jeffsailor (Jeffsailor) Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 4:58 pm:    I got another email from the seller. He said that the guitar is in storage and the only pictures he had were movies on his video recorder. I guess if your camcorder doesn't support USB and you don't have a video capture card on your PC, then you do the next best thing: Hit pause and snap a photo! After his last email to me, I'm convinced he's NOT trying to deceive anyone. I just thought it was kind of an odd auction... Bcalla (Bcalla) Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 4:51 pm:    Hi All - Anybody bidding on this? I could be rich!! 1957-1959 Ibanez Hollow Body Electric Johns (Johns) Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 8:15 pm:    Bcalla: We already have a thread going about this guitar. See: Hollow & Semi-Hollow Body Guitars: WOAH! Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 11:42 pm:    Take a look at this "1980" Artist. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=3730083710&rd=1 Tonedef (Tonedef) Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 12:29 pm:    I saw that as well. I am no expert, but I suspicion it is an AR-200 re-pop, is it not? I hope this is an honest mistake.... Tonedef Jeffsailor (Jeffsailor) Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 12:47 pm:    Anyone know of ANY Talman that listed for $1249.00???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47064&item=3730926174&rd=1 js Ibanezfreak1960 (Ibanezfreak1960) Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 2:43 pm:    That ebay pic was stolen off of the Ibanez Website. If you click on acoustic and then talman you'll see the exact pic. My 2004 dealer catalog list the most expensive one being 389.99 us dollars. With plain dot inlays. No prestige models are listed and all the others are in there so, beware of BS. Jeffsailor (Jeffsailor) Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 3:48 pm:    I noticed that picture right away. And what's funny is that is a picture of a Talman that they don't even offer in the US (at least not any longer)! I asked the guy if he had any pictures of the actual guitar, and if he could point me to the website that shows the list price. He sent no pictures and told me to go to www.Ibanez.com. I could not find anywhere on that site where they disclose list prices. I then emailed him back for the model number. I haven't heard back from him but I have the feeling he's going to tell me to go he??. I don't even want the guitar. I just wanted the guy to admit to me that he's hyping his listing a bit. js Ibanezfreak1960 (Ibanezfreak1960) Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 6:45 pm:    Yeah the Ibanez site don't list the prices. I have a seperate booklet that list those and it says subject to change at anytime in it. I think he's trying to pull a scam. Its a good thing we have the Ibanez police here huh? (ha ha) Blues (Blues) Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 3:52 am:    Guys, Sounds like a SCAM to me too! Notice in the listing above that the pictures have all been trimmed around the edges as to remove the eBay Logo, (shiloette of a camera) from the image area. Recently there have been listings on eBay stating: Gibson L5 Archtop in the title. In the last Gibson L5 Archtop listing the pictures used had been stolen from another sellers listing. All the edges has been trimmed as to remove the eBay Camera Logo. When I asked the guy to send pictures of the Headstock & Body'Neck joint the pictures had the headstock cutoff as to remove the camera logo showing that the pictures had been taken from an eBay auction. About 5 days later the original seller had relisted the Gibson L5 and stated that someone had stolen his pictures and were using them to attempt to sell the same guitar under false pretense. He contacted eBay and they removed the false listing. I have seen at least two ocassions where someone was attempting to sell a guitar they did not have or own. If you have any doughts about a listing ask the seller if they will complete the transaction via SafeTrade. The false seller will probably play ignorant and ask you what is SafeTrade at which time you can send them the link to SafeTrade. If they refuse to use SafeTrade don't buy the guitar unless you can complete the transaction in person face to face! I have also noticed that the false seller is not located in the USA. My first run in the seller was located in England and the second seller was located in Canada. NOTE: I BELIEVE THAT BOTH SELLERS WERE ONE IN THE SAME PERSON! The first seller tried to get me to wire monies to his cousins bank account in England. I immediately smelled a big rat named FRAUD!!! Also in both cases the false seller had ZERO _ FEEDBACK! This is another BEWARE signal!!! In times past and present we had to be cautious of Buyers with ZERO FEEDBACK because they might not complete the transaction by refusing to send you the payment.... Now we all need to be cautious of Sellers with Zero Feedback who might also be using stolen pictures or no pictures at all! BEWARE! of listings with stolen pictures chances are there is a RAT on the loose that wants to take advantage of you and your hunger for GUITARS! BLUES Jeffsailor (Jeffsailor) Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 9:13 pm:    Guys, This is a great one! The seller has listed the emails he's received throughout the auction. Interesting reading: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=3737486850&rd=1 js Ibanezfreak1960 (Ibanezfreak1960) Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 9:42 pm:    That must be the rare solid gold body one we never heard about(lol) Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 6:29 am:    There's so many things wrong here I dunno where to start: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=3753532571&rd=1 Ibanezfreak1960 (Ibanezfreak1960) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 6:49 am:    That one smells rotten! Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 9:34 am:    I have a couple of guitars exactly like this one in a cherry burst with the same headstock -but they have the Aspen name on them. Stock dimarzio pups and all. I have seen that picture of the Ibanez headstock on another website somewhere with the same "super rare" hype. These guitars are cool in that the build quality is pretty good, but I think this seller is a bit high on his expectations on the value and its relationship with Ibanez. I purchased the Aspens on Ebay a year or so ago for under $200.... Jeff Sailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 9:19 pm:    Check this out. He claims he's never seen one like this before. Obviously he didn't do an eBay search before he posted. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33040&item=3753190356&rd= 1 Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 9:44 am:    Looks like another scam . The seller claims this is a one of a kind SZ but its a stock SZ320. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7335050162 Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 9:44 am:    oh yeah, check out the neck through claim! Mr_roadstar Username: Mr_roadstar Registered: 06-2002 Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 2:19 pm:    I like how he suddenly changed his tune: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7335776124 Steve Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 4:06 pm:    Maybe he was listening in on our conversation? At least he got it straightened out. Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 7:29 pm:    Here's a bidding/buying technique that I find very interesting. And what's great, its well within the rules of eBay. Here's a few auctions won by the same buyer. And if you're a member here, paaapa, I'm not knocking you. Actually I admire the strategy and just wish to share it! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7344001875 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7344842310 I only noticed these because I was watching both guitars and saw a pattern. Both auctions ended with BIN, but neither had an initial BIN price. The winning bidder bids, then (evidently) contacts the seller and negotiates a BIN price. He then retracts his bid, allows the seller to add the BIN to the auction, and then hits the BIN. Cool eh? BTW, the firebird is back up for sale... http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Ibanez-Firebird-Copy-w-Original-Case_W0QQitemZ734726 6411QQcategoryZ33043QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem js Flatbag Username: Flatbag Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 5:15 am:    Strange that he would relist it BIN with a profit margin of only $50? Hardly seems worth the hassle. Funkle Username: Funkle Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 11:29 am:    It wouldn't work in most cases. I usually tell people to take a hike when they ask me to end an auction early. -Sven Kozyyik Username: Kozyyik Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:58 pm:    I bought few guitars from him, he is a good guy and I don't think he is looking for a huge profit, he is a guitar lover buys some and play it for a bit and sells them, I know several people who do those kind of buying/selling but I've gotten some nice stuff because of people like that, I just don't like some people/business try to make profit of $200+ hmm I missed that firebird, that's too bad.....

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