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Author Message Hasy (Hasy) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 7:23 am:    Dear Collectors. Who print this two Vintage Ibanez Collectors Booklets ? Actually sale on ebay worldwide. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708242466&category=33043 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3707961758&category=33043 Greets Hasy Fox (Fox) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 9:29 am:    Hasy, don´t know (yet) but let´s find out..I purchased the other one. fox Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 3:53 pm:    Hi Fox, How do you like the booklet? Fox (Fox) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 4:47 pm:    Hey Acetan, have not got it yet, made a hasty move and used the "buy it now" option after I decided NOT to go to pub for a couple.. could easily have used the same amount of euros, but for worse.. I´ll promise to tell you all, although it seems to be some sort of catalogue only..but let´s see, maybe there is hidden info ´bout every imaginable problem... Roswell?? A long-forgotten mystic store for Artist spare parts?? Stay tuned - same fox-time, same... Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 8:58 pm:    Looks like "Desktop Publishing" to me ! Check out this SUPER RARE CATALOG GEM ! ONE OF A KIND ! Took all of 5 minutes to scam the images off of a website and put into a booklet-scarfed the text too ! Any bidders ? Robc (Robc) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 9:08 pm:    Hi All, I also used "buy it now" too quickly! Yes, he made them himself. MY BAD. I think Dave's looks better! How much Dave? Rob Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 9:19 pm:    I think I'll make a book and give it out for free ! Maniac (Maniac) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:03 pm:    Now,now, Let's not all get our panties in a bunch. The guy offering these is a good guy and a long time Ibanez lover. At least he took the initiative and the time to do it and it is a handy little reference. (although the print came out a little shabby) I used but it now too which I regretted AFTER I found out there were more to be had and it was more of a "homegrown" project. How much is a few hours of your time worth to you? He also put in some pics of Ibanez Collectors guitars as well and I don't hold any ill feelings at all toward him or anyone else who can put together something to help share some info about these. You all saw what the late 70's catalogs went for recently didn't you ? If I were an Ibanez employee, I'd be pushing for a re-issue of those after seeing the Ebay prices on those early catalogs. But then again, if the supply was there, the price would be lower right ? Dave, FREE? Sign me up coach! You would live to regret those words if everyone here wanted one don't you think? Maniac Robc (Robc) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:11 pm:    Maniac; I didn't mean to sound ungrateful! It is a nice little book and he did put some time into it. I just felt it should have been more clear that it wasn't an Ibanez publication. I do like it though! Rob Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:24 pm:    Mike, The sarcasm was more aimed at the profiteering, not at the initiative. Hey I'm for anything that will promote and "get the word out" about these fine guitars. I only posted the picts 'cause I thought it was kinda unfair the way the book was presented...I'm sure that it would have sold even if it was clearly offered as a "homegrown" booklet-hell I would have bid on one if it was $10 ! Blues (Blues) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 2:16 am:    Guys, I'm feeling pretty good about these "New Edition" catalogs! I know for sure that one of the catalogs in question has pictures of a few of on my Ibanez guitars. I took the pictures my self! I'm looking at one of the catalogs as I write this and I am very impressed with the quality of this "work of art." I was recently offered a nice sum of $$$ for at least "15" vintage Ibanez catalogs and I refused the offer! Now here is a chance for us Ibanez collectors to own a quality printing of some great Ibanez guitars at a very modest price. WOW!!! REMEMBER: The Vintage Ibanez Site that many of us refered to is no longer available. Maybe if you think of the "catalogs" the way you would when you make a copy of an audio CD or MP3. HUM!!! The quality is pretty much the same! Here is an opportunity for you to put your vintage Ibanez catalogs is a safe place. You can now use these inexpensive "new edition catalogs" as one of your main references when seeking information on vintage Ibanez guitars. I believe the contents of these "New Edition" catalogs are going to get better and better as time goes on. I'm excited and delighted to own one of these catalogs! I'm looking forward to getting my hands on some others. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! BLUES Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 4:16 am:    Hi All! Sorry, but I'm a bit pi...d off, having read the above. Please explain: why are we going crazy about a home-made booklet, why are we willing to pay 30 bucks (!) for a nice but not so very good home project, that was offered on Ebay in a kind of misleading way. After all: quite a bunch of guys noticed it was not an original catalogue until after they received it and apart from liking the initiative and the time this guy has put into it, they all felt kind of betrayed. The excuse: yeah, but our source of information is gone, because "the Vintage Ibanez Site is no longer available" is like a smack in the face for me and my pal Hasy, I can tell you. Ever heard of http://www.ibanez-vintage-page.com ? We offer you all the vintage 70's catalogues you might need on our site for years now and you can scan them 1-1 size and for FREE. I even dare to say that -not ment in a degrading way, because Jim did a lot of pioneer's work and we should always be thankful for that- we offer more info and scans than the Vintage Ibanez Site ever did. At this moment our book on vintage Ibanez guitars from the 60's and 70's period is about to be taken in production. I can tell you it has been a hell of a job trying to feature all models we know and of course we had to get permission of Hoshino to use the pictures of old catalogues. How did this guy do it? It's legally not allowed to use copyright-pictures for commercial purposes, is it???? The maker of this home-project booklet may be a nice guy with positive intentions and all, but I think it's a clever guy who tries to score big bucks for a few hour's work. Otherwise he would have mentioned in the auction that this thing is not an original Ibanez item. He kinda fooled everybody around. And should we go and even reward him for just the initiative? I think I don't get it anymore! Maybe Hasy and I should shut down our site too and start selling scans of all catalogues we have. There seem to be a lot of guys who prefer paying 30$ per catalogue scan, rather than visiting our site and download for free. Going to cool down for a while now..... Harry Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 5:54 am:    I saw the first one, then the second and third and thought either New Old Stock or reproduced. I opted for the latter and judging by the mixed comments here I'm glad that I didn’t bother to buy. Quality aside, if I had purchased with the BIN, then I would have felt shafted on its arrival. It would have been nice if the originator had offered them to ICW site members via the site first, explaining to everyone exactly what they were and with a price that matched. Nice guy or not, I have no doubt that the order book would be overflowing right now. Sorry, but I'm with Harry on this. six Robc (Robc) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 8:14 am:    Nicely said Harry! I think you and Six nailed it! Rob Jeffsailor (Jeffsailor) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 10:17 am:    Harry, I too, am with you on this. If the book were put together as a labor of love it would have been offered up on this or similar sites for free, or at the very least, cost. Ironically, the photos in that "book" probably came off YOUR site. So you have the right to feel invaded. And while I'm on the subject of your site, I want to extend my appreciation for the work both you and Hasy have done to make that site a really great source of information for collectors. I have it bookmarked and use it often. It would sure be a shame to lose it over something like this. Oh, and great job plugging your book. You must be a helluva business man to unconsciously slip a plug in the middle of a fit of rage . Seriously, I'm sure a lot of us out here would be interested in a legitimate vintage Ibanez publication. When its in print, you should post the ISBN so we can all rush out and buy it! Jeff Sailor Gratefuldad (Gratefuldad) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 10:32 am:    ditto to the above Harry. Not to metion that it's E-Bay header says "Vintage Ibanez Guitar" which has sucked me in countless times now...yes this is partly my fault, but I go in thinking Oh Boy a new gem to drool over and get this hack/fake catalog. Also, thanks for your site, and all the work that has gone into it. jeff Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 10:49 am:    Hi Fox, I asked how did you like the booklet as I thought maybe I shouldn't have felt that I've gotten the "shaft" as I jumped into it and used the BIN to get the booklet. Guess I'm not alone. Fox (Fox) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 11:22 am:    Truly, Acetan, that makes two.. Hmm..how should I feel, because if there is no market, then there are no forgeries/rip-offs, and such "visionary enterpreneurs".. I certainly thought, "hmm,nice booklet -might be better not to go to pub" though that booklet surely seemed like:now I quote myself:"it seems to be some sort of catalogue only..but let´s see, maybe there is hidden info ´bout every imaginable problem... Roswell?? A long-forgotten mystic store for Artist spare parts?? Stay tuned - same fox-time, same" Now I feel a little bit ashamed..*snif* Hope there is that hidden info..apologizes to ev´ryone who feels their efforts/copyrights violated. For even it was not me to do the actual "printing" I provided the market as buyer. *returns to hole with a Teddybear* Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 2:05 pm:    Hi all! Well, after having a time-out to cool down I'll try to pick up the positive attitude again. I'm happy to tell you that I was at the publisher today and we came to an agreement that finally the book I've been working on for the past years is gonna be published. What book is it gonna be? First of all: it's a book all about the sixties and seventies period of Ibanez, featuring all models we know so far that had the old script logo. * First section features a lot of pictures of 60's Ibanez guitars and basses. Kind of a "flea market" idea to run through and maybe find the model you have. There is no system in this part, just a nice "look, enjoy and maybe find" idea of thing. * It will feature a general chapter about various identification points (apart from serial number system) to help you identify as accurate as possible the model and year of construction of your vintage (old logo) Ibanez guitar or bass, in particular the pre-serial period (1970-1975). * The biggest section: all Les Paul varieties together, all Sg's together, the Strats, the Teles, V's, Performer series, first Artists, "Iceman", miscelanious solids, thinline jazzguitars, full body jazzguitars, Twin-neck guitars, Jazzbass models, Precision basses, Rickenbacker basses, Les Paul basses, miscellanious basses. Within the sections the instruments are mostly put together by colour, so i.g. within the Les Paul section you first get all the black Les Pauls, than the naturals, the brown ones, the sunburst ones, the white ones etc. So you only have to run through a very small part of the book to find the matching info and picture to the guitar you're looking for. Almost every until now known model will be featured in the book WITH a picture. I'd say about 95%. Mostly catalogue scan pictures (I've got the permission from Hoshino to use the pictures for this purpose), but also other pictures from the net or from our own collection if models were concerned of which we had no catalogue pictures (yet). * There will be some nice big full-page size pictures in it as an extra "bonus". The book will not give you much info about the used woods, unless it is of optical interest. This choice has been made because we want the book to have mainly an "identification" function. The whole book is gonna be around 220 pages. The time scedule: if everything is going to work according to plan this book will be launched around november. You can be sure that around that time i will give you all the info you need to get your hands on it! And oh yeah, almost forgot: I loved to bring together everything Hasy and I have in order to get this result. Finally you will all be able to have a book on your shelf that features (almost) every "copy era" model. Just to get it when you wanna find something quick. So you don't have to start your computer and go surfing on the web. Truely: we don't earn ANY money with it! We just did it for kicks and because we want to keep the book as cheap as possible. I'll keep you informed! Kind greetings, Harry Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 2:15 pm:    Harry ..Sounds great ! Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 2:26 pm:    November? That's really testing our patience. Builds character I guess. It will be Christmas present number one to myself. Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 3:09 pm:    Can't wait Harry! six Musash (Musash) Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 9:35 am:    Great work Harry, can't wait. Musash Harry (Harry) Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 2:19 pm:    Hi guys! To return to the main topic of this thread: have you seen the guy is still selling these fake booklets? And that he's still NOT honest about it (both Hasy and I mailed and complained about his way of doing business....no answer!). In stead of telling the buyers-to-be that it is home-made he has lowered the "buy it now"-price to $18,50. After having ripped the first "wave of fools" (as he probably sees us) he is trying to seduce the rest by lowering the price. What if we all jump upon him like a pack of wolves and bomb him with emails about this matter? This betrayer has to be stopped! Harry Harry (Harry) Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 2:26 pm:    To make it easy: here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3709589887&category=33043 So how do you feel now, all of you who paid 25 or even 30 bucks? Even more miserable, don't you? LET'S GET HIM. Harry Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 2:27 pm:    Harry..Although I agree with you in spirit only, the seller has added the phrase " (This is a new booklet about Vintage Ibanez Guitars not produced by Ibanez)" I've looked into what it took to produce this, about $1.00 a page..I doubt he is motivated by the $....... Harry (Harry) Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 2:31 pm:    Oooops.......sorry.... Have not read carefully enough. Was at my boiling point even before I took the time to read well...... :-( Me and my big mouth...... Okay: let's send him a nice mail.....;-) 'sqz me!!! Harry Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 3:15 pm:    How about those of us who got nailed before the added wording? I just posted a "neutral" comment on eBay quote, "Homemade non-factory item not presented as such." Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 3:21 pm:    I wasn't one of the guys that got burned, but before you trash his feedback, I would give him an oppurtunity to make it right..remember hes not getting rich on this thing.. Acetan (Acetan) Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 7:39 pm:    I think I can safely assume that almost all of us here are musicians, or wanna-bes, or at least music lovers. We should surely understand the seriousness of lifting copy-righted material for commercial gain. Pirating Ibanez catalog content is just like stealing the song you wrote even if Ibanez do not really care. Harry (Harry) Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 5:04 am:    Hi all! My last thoughts about this issue and then I'm gonna quit to spill energy on it: First of all: I doubt if the costs to make this booklet would be one dollar each page. I have not seen it, so I can't judge about paper quality etc. but what wonders me most: Having adjusted the textual contents of his auction and having adjusted the "buy it now" price of his booklet to $18,50...... is he gonna act like a gentleman and contact the buyers who paid 30 or 25 bucks and arrange a fair refund? Guess not...... If any of you (who bought this booklet for the high prices he asked before) gets a mail in which he offers to pay back the difference between what you paid and those $18,50 he is asking now I think THAT's the point where we can say that his prime goal is NOT to earn money but just to share and enjoy the result of his time and efforts. Kind greetz, Harry Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 7:07 am:    Harry..I concur with your analysis..The $1.00 a page is based on the cost of producing a two sided color copy or print using a standard ink jet printer..its not the paper, its the ink that is quite expensive.... Johns (Johns) Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:51 pm:    Acetan makes a real valid point about using someone else's copyrighted materials without permission. What's fair usage can be a difficult line to tread but making money off it does cross the line. It sounds like Harry and Hasy did exactly what they were supposed to do in getting Hoshino's permission to use old catalog images in the upcoming publication. Harry & Hasy, I salute you and can't wait to see your book when it's finished. I hope there will be an easy way to get them distributed to us in the US. Harry (Harry) Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 3:10 am:    Hi John! Yeah.....Hasy and I are pretty excited too about the idea that our research on vintage Ibanez electrics is not only gathered on our site but also about to be published in a 200-plus page book. From our own experience we know that it can be very comfortable to have a book on the shelf so you can look things up quickly, rather than to have your computer going and surf on the web. The main worry of the publisher was: it's a book about one brand (Ibanez) and apart from that it's specialized in only one particular period of that brand. Will such a book be attractive enough for a "bigger public". I told the guy that the "army of vintage Ibanez addicts" is growing quickly but apart from that: no matter what particular brand you're interested in, you just want to read, learn and search about everything that has to do with guitars. I'm sure that -although we are all Ibanez addicts- we all have books about Fender, Gibson, Gretsch, Rickenbacker etc. on our bookshelves as well, don't we? Because in fact we are guitar freaks and we are always curious and want to have the right and useful information at hand. At least: I'm such a guy. My bookshelf contents at least 5 feet of just books about all kinds of guitars. One advantage that helped a lot was that I already had been so smart to write the whole thing in English, so distribution on world-wide base was no problem. The plan is that the first edition will be 1000 copies. If things go well, there will be more editions and each new edition will be updated to the last facts known. After all, we still keep discovering new things and it will be nice to bring these new discoveries (and corrections, undoubtly....) in every new edition. I know that the publisher has plans at least to "spread the word" all over the world as soon as the book appears. When the book is ready there will be announcements in all kind of guitar magazines, also in the US. Of course with the adress or link where you can order a copy. And don't worry: I will immediately give you all the info you need on this fantastic and valuable collectors board. Kind greetz, Harry Dave_G (Dave_G) Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 7:28 am:    Harry..we can't wait ! Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 12:10 pm:    Harry, Being English myself, I think it's sad that you have to resort to getting the book printed in English to ensure publishing. 500 years of bloody English Imperialism to blame for that! Oh well, I guess it guarentees you that me and the Yanks here will be buying a copy if nothing else. No offence meant to you boys from the southern states when I use the term 'Yanks' BTW six (Poor old Limey) Fox (Fox) Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 6:26 am:    Hi Acetan! If we don´t count any copyright issues(Don´t get me wrong, I´m not in favor of any kind of copyright violations.. )Nor will support any, as can be read in my previous posts, quote: "Now I feel a little bit ashamed..*snif* Hope there is that hidden info..apologizes to ev´ryone who feels their efforts/copyrights violated. For even it was not me to do the actual "printing" I provided the market as buyer. *returns to hole with a Teddybear* " Straight answer to a straight question: Got that leaflet to day,and as far as I can figure out, it´s colour-laser job on good quality paper. Some of the picts are (obviously)of not-so-good quality, no wonder considering their origin... Had the writer asked, he would have had hi-res pictures for my AR5000, also included in the booklet.. All in all, I might find it useful. As a cross-reference booklet that is. Copyright issue remains... Orval (Orval) Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 1:55 pm:    john, i finally got around to mailing your 78 acoustic catalog today, enjoy! orval

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