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Author Message   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 11:29 am:    I just wanted to be the first to post in this thread And... I want to mention that I appreciate all the guitar work that Steely Dan has afforded us over the years. Even though they are obviously well known, I don't know if guitar players realize all the tasty guitar stuff they've laid down over the years. I heard they take the major note of any given chord and kick it up a whole step all the time and that's a portion of what gets us that Steely dan "sound." Has anyone heard anything l;ike that? Even if they are not your cup of tea, I think if you listen to the guitars, there's something there for everyone. One of my favorite bands of all time. A bit off the beaten path.   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 4:08 pm:    Awesome band!Donald Fagen and Walter Becker great team like batman and robin.There lyrics never made much sense but i guess they just through some words in there as a fill in- to some great Jazz music& Blues also!Green Earings come to mind.Great song though!!   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 4:24 pm:    Bob about a year a go I met a guy from england who could play Steely Dan on the keys very well. We spent hours jamming.nor just ST but we made up a lot of stuff along that sytle. As far as the chording goes its a lot jazz chording. If you take the root note of a major chord and kick it up a full step it becomes a 2 chord. Like if you play an A major in the open 2nd fret position and lift your pinky it becomes a A2 or an A add9 they are both the same. But a single note is not a major or a minor until you add one or more notes to it. But I don't think Steely Dan were using just 2 chords. Its a little more complicated then that.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 4:36 pm:    You mean something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf0UpkCOhO4&mode=re lated&search= Juha   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 6:26 pm:    Awesome guitar work!^Yikes a Fender bad! bad !!!   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 8:36 pm:    ... the Cuervo Gold... the fine Colombian... Love Steely Dan. Always have! Good choice there, Bob.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:19 pm:    Check this one out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyJjfGq1GqI&mode=re lated&search=   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 12:35 am:    Pretty cool freak i enjoyed watching that.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 8:21 am:    Here you hear alternate guitar solo's for PEG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0JpBzi68E&mode=re lated&search=   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 8:57 am:    Men after my own heart total perfectionists.In music there is no room for anything other than utter perfection!!<From fingers book of wisdom   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 12:07 pm:    I saw Them "live" at Jones Beach Theater last year and I believe the year before. The "year before" show was one of the most awesome shows I've ever seen and I've seen hundreds. The latter show... not as intense because of song selection. One of the guitar players... Robert Harrington? (something like that) from my neck of the woods here in NY... that guy is one hell of a player. I mean... this guy cooks. I hope they come back to the beach this year, it's an outdoor venue, right on the water, at the beach and a great place to see summer concerts. Steely has not got the credit they deserve. I guess everybody knows that the band name comes from a dildo or something akin to that. Now... anyone that names their band after something like that, has got my vote for one of the best bands of all time. Keep in mind, the production value of their recording too. Excellent, which can't be said for everyone.   Mwmeci Username: Mwmeci Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 3:34 pm:    Back in SD's 'Asia" days I read and interview with them. They called their chords 'Moo' chords. They use the 4th as the bass of the chord. A/D G/C etc.Very cool sound.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 7:21 pm:    Hi Bobzilla. This is my first entry on ICW – I’m new here; what a great idea, group, and knowledge base (not to mention the etiquette). I’ve only been reading the entries for a week and I’ve learned so much; Hopefully I’ll be able to add something valuable somewhere along the way to the knowledge base of this wonderful group. Just read your post on Steely Dan. I saw them on a rainy July 3rd about 10 years ago also at Jones Beach. They sounded better than their recordings. (The kick drum on ‘Royal Scam’ could be physically felt (tastefully) in China, and they 'encored' with ‘Don’t Take me Alive’...again, better than the original.) The mix was so crystalline that you could here a pin drop on the stage. In the line-up I only remember Harrington and then Bumpers on tenor. (I’ve also seen a lot of bands: Howlin’ Wolf and Muddy Waters in bars in Manhattan, and Cream -- 1st American tour -- at the Café au Go Go in the Village circa 1966 (I was 15) to an audience of about 50 people, Hendrix at Stony Brook, Procul Harum with Robben Trower, and the Alban Berg String Quarter at Brookhaven Lab, etc.) Steely Dan were within the top 10 concerts I’ve ever seen. Revealingly, tragically, hilariously and predictably, BOTH The New York Times, and Newsday PANNED them; what zeros – it tells us a lot about the new generation of alleged ‘critics’. I decided to respond to your post because I’m also a Long Islander....a professional guitarist/composer -- lived here my whole life, have a small music school in Stony Brook. I have a number of recently acquired Ibanez early 80s ARs: two 300s, a 305, a 500, (4 non-collectible butterscotch GAX70’s -- for the money they’re amazing), an ’81 AS-200 and a more recent JSM-100AV…and then a number of vintage early 60s Gibsons and a couple of ’94 Robben Ford Ultras. John Monteleone’s only 12-string, 855 Taylor-12, etc. (Still can’t figure out the serial numbers on the GAXs despite reading the column at ICW; I'm trying to get a consistent stain in them as they vary) Sorry, no pictures; don’t know how to post them yet. For the Steely Dan sound/chords, it turns out that they use a lot of ‘non traditional’ voicings (combinations)and ‘non-functional’ chord changes: quartal and pentatonic voicings, triads over bass, two chords at the same time and combinations derived from interval distances. For example A/D, G/C: at Berklee they called them ‘hybrid structures’. They are NOT inversions, so the bass note is the root (not the 4th as mwmeci described it). The triad notes are ‘upper structures’. So in a G/C bass, it means that the g is the 5th, the b is the 7th, and the d is the 9th; it’s a disguised C major 7 voicing, no 3rd with the 9th added. You can get some very hip contemporary sounds: try E/C or C/Db or G/Ab/Bb. Note that the distance of the triad above the bass note will help ’control’ the density as well as dissonance of the voicing. That’s what’s going on in their composition ‘Negative Girl’ with 1st keyboard chord..a hip major7#5 voicing. The bass is so low it’s barely even a pitch so the dissonance of the chord is hardly even discernible. There's a great book out about contemporary chords that I worked with about 20 years ago called Contemporary Harmony by Ludmir Ulelah (Advance Publishers) who I understand was Jazz pianist Richard Bierach's teacher. If you want to be introduced to contemporary chord sounds (like Steely Dan's), this is THE book (but you gotta be able to read music for this one). Cheers Allears   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 7:29 am:    Allears welcome to ICW. Thanks for your input. What would you recomend as a good Jazz guitar book for beginners? Primarily chords and progressions to start with?   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 8:12 am:    Thank you for the warm welcome. Ronnie Lee's Jazz Guitar Vol. 2 Chords (Mel Bay Pub) is very, very good and very organized, if it's still in print (if not, try eBay -- it's well worth the trouble to find it). It's the book I learned from back in 1977. It also helps you (painlessly) learn -- little by little -- chord spellings and the neck. Reading music is not essential on this one. It also has a lot of chord progessions and suggestions for chord usage.If I think of anything else I will surely let you know. (Mickey Baker's book Jazz Guitar is okay too, but it's kind of scattered and not as well organized -- it was one of the 1st of it's kind back in the early 60's.) Jazz Guitar Vol. 1} by Ronnie Lee is too superficial). Best, Allears   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 9:45 am:    Ronny Lee's books http://www.ronnylee.com/guitar/index.html Hm, out of topic again? Well, Steely Dan's chords ... Juha   Telstar Username: Telstar Registered: 4-2006 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 1:13 pm:    Talking 'bout Steely Dan... very much in that same loose jazzy spirit and sporting great guitar work is Umphrey's McGee: http://www.umphreys.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpOvxYnli4I&mode=re lated&search= Check out their podcasts too!   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 9:11 pm:    }Hi Ibanezfreak1960: Re. the Ronny Lee jazz book that I mentioned... well I looked on the link Talajuha kindly posted (Thank You!) and the last book at the bottom of the page on the left is the book updated to include both Ronny Lee's jazz guitar books Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. The last half of the new edition is what you want to check out about chords and chord progressions. He has a very organized, logical, and developmental approach. If you get through the book (hang in there and be patient with yourself...hands and mind -- there's a wealth of material in it) you'll have completely different hands and (more important) completely different ears regarding chord changes and hearing chord types. If you have any questions, just give a yell. For anyone who tried to find the CONTEMPORARY HARMONY I bombed on the author's 1st name: the author's name is Ludmila Ulelah (not Ludmir). There are several copies at Advanced Book Exchange a really hip place to find used books. http://abebooks.com The price ranges from several bucks up to about $150 for the hard-copy (1966 out-of-print hard- cover edition, Free Press) I picked up back in 1976. Hope this helps. Allears   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 9:27 pm:    PS Re. Steely Dan "Sound" -- for the Steely Dan fans looking for their "sound": Hal Leonard or Cherry Lane -- I don't recall which -- has a book out for about 20 bucks with a number of Steely Dan songs called something like Steely Dan Complete Scores with all the parts written out note by note. The transcriptions are very accurate to learn from and also to use the arrangements. The same publisher also has similar books out on Traffic, Blood Sweat and Tears, etc. Please don't waste your hard-earned cash on the lame piano arrangement books (those with three inter-connected staves with lyrics and left/right hand piano parts)... they're bad news... as always. Again, hope this all helps. Allears   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 10:15 pm:    Thanks allears. I have been teaching rock guitar and bass for a long time but want to broaden my own skills. Someone else told me about Mickey Bakers book also but I haven't found it yet. I'll check out the other links as well. Thanks!   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 10:51 pm:    Hi Again Ibanezfreak1960: There's a copy now of the 1955 paperback edition of Mickey Baker's JAZZ GUITAR for a whopping 4 bucks at abebooks.com as I write this. (I was just there.) Do it in. Good for you re. teaching guitar and bass. I've been self-employed privately teaching guitar, bass, ear traning, how to transcribe, counterpoint, improv, and composition my whole life. I have anywhere from a 3 month to a 3 year wait depending on the time slot. (I'm very fortunate.) I teach Bach to Blues, Stephen Grossman to Gillian Welch (and David Rawlings), Coltrane to Creed, Son House to Scofield (and Steely Dan). And I have a blast...no method books...everybody gets taught differently and what they want to learn because I transcribe on the spot. You have the right idea -- I think -- re. broadening your skills.(If you do it the right way you can make six figures plus every year.) Best, Allears   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 5:15 am:    Great thread Bob. I already have my tikcets for Steely Dan at the Rod Laver arena in Melbourne Australia on 20th September. Who's playing guitar on this tour? Anyone here going? six   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 7:44 am:    allears thats a decent amount of students. I have 12 per week part time but definitly want to expand. I also do repairs on the side. As far as method goes I also teach what they want also and transcribe to Tablature. But some students struggle with that so I use differnt methods accordingly. Nice to hear your doing so well at it. Thats my goal. I actually travel to the students homes and give the lessons. I usually get a free meal out of the deal 3 nights a week.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 10:02 am:    Ibanezfreak1960: As I said, I'm fortunate to have developed a huge client and referral base over the last 30 years in a large professional/university community; as a result, I teach 65 to 80 students a week -- beginners to pros. (I even get referrals from the head of the Stony Brook University Music Dept. -- believe it or not -- even though I've never met the gentleman...he knows about me only by word of mouth.) I do not travel and in 1985 took the plunge and rented a studio at a very busy intersection in the community -- best thing I ever did. I'm also a fairly well-known musician on Long Island and can hardly go anywhere on LI without running into someone I've taught. Also, one of my former students won the New Artist Competition in Manhattan on 101.9 FM Cool Jazz. (I've also received favorable reviews for literary and musical efforts in all the major NY newspapers including the NY Times. Every little bit helps (including a little self-promo here and there)-- that also would include your doing a repair busniness.... If you'd like to see (sort of) how I do it, I'll email you my business policy statement (1 page, Microsoft Word) that I give to all prospective students. It's worked very well for me since 1980. (It may give you some ideas to put things on a different level, but everyone has their own way of doing things....) In the end there's nothing that can help you more than knowing your craft like a real expert, treating people well, Good Will in the community, and integrity: the referrals will come... But it takes time to build up a name and a visible business identity. Best, Allears   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 10:13 am:    allears shoot me the email by clicking my username. I'd be glad to see it.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 10:25 am:    Allears... welcome aboard, excellent posts by the way. I live in Holbrook so... we're down the road a piece from each other. If you ever want to get together, let me know. Since you're new here, you don't know that all that technical guitar stuff eludes me but... I can tell you know what you're talking about and your body of knowledge is a welcome addition to the already substantial number of knowlegible ICW members on board. The Steely boys rule/rock! You can't do it without your Fez on.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 1:04 pm:    Bobzilla: Thank you for the compliment and I'm sure we'll have a great time getting together real soon. I happen to live a-way-out in Southold near the End of the World at the Edge of the Sea. (It's remote and quiet...only the sound of wind and surf....) But my small teaching studio's been in Setauket on 25-A since 1984 -- my 2nd home..... Incidentally, I have hats from all over the world (that assert a soft and warm presence) in my small very informal studio; they're simply slung on numerous laminated placks hanging on all the "ego" walls (as John Grisham calls them).....and believe-it-or-not, one of the hats is a genuine DARK maroon FEZ from Cairo. Thanks again for the warm welcome Bobzilla. Yes, the Steely Boys are pretty amazing...the most harmonically 'sophisticated' rock band of all time and they can't read a note of music -- I love it. I have a great story about them when I have some more time. To Be Continued...... Allears   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 1:13 pm:    Ears....Maybe they'll have me because... I can't read a note either. I've written over 700 songs so... I come with ammunition, ready to go.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 1:17 pm:    Alleras, if you get a chance, look on ICW for a thread called "What's in your collection" or... "updated group shots." those will be fun for you to see. Any time you wanna jam, lemme know.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 1:29 pm:    Ibanezfreak1960: Just sent it off.... Done. Hope it helps...it ain't an easy way to make a living...but it sure is fun. Best, Allears   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 10:57 pm:    Thanks! I agree it is fun. Ecspecially when you get a student who gets good at it.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 5:17 pm:    Hi Bobzilla: Thanks for the info on the "What's in your collection" thread. As soon as I have more time I'll try to find it and check it out. Some members on another thread sent me some informative pick-up wiring diagrams for my AR-300s and -305. But I'm having trouble finding a vendor that sells the two-hole pick-up rings that Seymour Duncan JB-4s require. Been pokin' 'round on-line but no luck so far. Tlk to you soon. Best, Allears   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 7:58 am:    Ears... go to the "free classifieds" section here on ICW. Post what you need and take a look around in there.   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 9:20 am:    Ive got my Shriners fez on. Dont ask about the clowns!   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 1:15 pm:    Bobzilla & Fingersmcoy: Bobzilla: Thanks re. the classifieds on the 2 hole pickup rings.... Ibanezfreak1960 said that I could order them direct from Ibanez...I didn't know that.. looks like I was misinformed. (Duh.) Fingers: Hi I'm new here; I'll bet that you and me are the only two ICW members that have real live & authentic Fezs (whatever dubious distinction that means). Nice to meet you. I got to go to work at my little music school; I'm sure we'll talk again real soon. Best, Allears   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 4:42 pm:    If you want to know more visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steely_dan and of cource Steely Dan has http://www.steelydan.com Juha   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 10:40 am:    Allears I have a student who bought the hal leaonard VH1 top 100 guitar songs and it lists them but only has about 75 of them in it. I didn't like this book because its transcribed to play as instrumentals and some of the Tab contradicts the chord charts they give you for the songs. I had to fix some of it. A kid wanted to learn Bowies Space Oddity(whatevr it called) and they completely left out the guitar solo in the middle and end of the song.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 9:49 pm:    Ibanezfreak1960: Usually H.Leonard's stuff is good but only if it's an "authentic guitar transcription." Otherwise books are generally a waste of money -- which is what I tell my students. That's why I do all my own transcriptons; it's much more time consuming, but you actually learn the music better and more thoroughly that way because you have to hear and experience each note yourself. (Sight readers don't do that; they get the music from their eyes not their ears; I know excellent sight readers }who don't even hear what they're readingeven though their playing it -- if you can believe that.) I just recommend learning to transcribe on the spot (you might think about investing in a Superscope PSD230 transcribing machine -- I think it is). If you want to teach and trancribe, it'll be one of the best investments you can make (and it's a tax write-off). Best, Allears   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 11:32 pm:    I can most if not all of that on a lap top but that looks like a better tool. I like some of the newer versions also. Thanks.   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 1:14 am:    'Freak, the guitar solo in Space Oddity was played on a stylophone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubreq_Stylophone Unless you're referring to the ching a-ching a-ching (clap clap), ching a-ching a-ching (clap clap) acoustic guitar part. That definitely wasn't played on a stylophone! I used to have the original album with that song on it, waay back in 1969. The album was originally entitled David Bowie but was reissued with a different cover and new title following the success he had with the song in the USA. Other than Space Oddity, I didn't rate it as much of an album.   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 5:26 am:    Superscope PSD230 is sold out and dual drive CD players/recorders are expensive (for a hobbyist) http://www.superscopetechnologies.com/products/PSD 230/index.shtml What do you think of Tascam CD-GT1 MKII and other Tascam training aids http://www.tascam.de/en/index.html select Novices - Instrument/Vocal Training Juha   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 8:18 am:    Tascam MKII, S-Scope-230, 300, 340 Hi Juha: Re. PSD-230 I didn't know that it was sold out...thanks. That changes things somewhat.... I recommend the 230 because I had one for years, used it 5-8 hours a day five days a week and never had any trouble. You can get them 2nd hand on Ebay, but their a little high priced. I had a PSD-300 that I had to have repaired too many times and it didn't track CDs as well as the 230. Although the recording quality of the 300 was amazing (even using inexpensive Shure SM-58s), as a transcribing/practicng unit I was more happy with the way-less expensive 230. The 300 was disappointing for the money ($900+). Maybe the newer 340 is a much better quality unit. BUT I have been reluctant to take the drop with the 340 because of the repairs and disappointing performance of the 300... Oh, yeah, and the price tag (even for a professional). Although I don't own the MKII and didn't own the earlier model (because I had the 300) a number of my students have the MKII and love it. I've used it briefly (to show a student how it works); it sounds good to my ears and is easy enough to work. (I don't know how durable it is if used 40 hours a week, but unlike the 300, Tascam doesn't tout it as a 'professional' unit. However, you have to pay extra and order separately the ac power chord that plugs from the unit into the wall -- which I think is bogus....) Although the 230 is is a really durable workhorse it is more expensive even 2nd hand. So for the money the MKII is another alternative and if you're into plugging your guitar into it, it has more effects than the old unit (and the 230 has none). My use (perhaps unlike that of many others) is very narrow and I used it exclusively for transcribing. (When I had the 230 or 300 I never plugged my guitar in.) That the 230 is sold out, now I'd probably go with the MKII; it's less expensive, you get an item uder warranty, and it's new. Hope this helps. Juha, Thanks again for the tip on the 230 being sold out. I'll pass that info along the grapevine. Best, Allears   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 9:47 am:    Tascam suggests MP-GT1 for professional Instrument/Vocal Training. Looks like it is similar to CD-GT1 MKII except it plays MP3 files. If I didn't have good enough amps, GA-30CD and/or GA-100CD could be interesting. Perhaps for teachers and pros, too? Sorry Bob, we have gone far out of the original topic. Juha   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:56 am:    Blues I definitly hear a guitar there. not the spacey sounding stuff in the mix. Its Mick Ronson most likely. but hey maybe I need to listen to it again but I remeber guitar parts also.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 11:07 am:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhSYbRiYwTY This is definitly a mimick to the studio version but at 2:44 you 'll see Bowie mimicking the solo I am talking about. He's at the 5th fret on the 1st and 2nd strings. It sounds like an electric guitar he's mimicking.   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:08 pm:    Hi Bobzilla: Sorry for getting off the track re. Steely Dan. Some members were asking me some questions and I got carried away spiraling off out-of-bounds..... Talking 'bout Steely Dan... As Telstar put it, very much in that same loose jazzy spirit and sporting great guitar work is Umphrey's McGee... I heard them for the 1st time today when one of my advanced student's asked me what kind of 'rake' picking the guitar players were doing in tandem, on a really funky cut. I just heard a smattering of some of the other cuts before I dove in to transcribe some parts and they sound very interesting. Funky, R&Bish, Bluesy, defintely Contemporary Rocs in there with two guit players, Drm, Perc, kbd and bass. --- with sophisticated chords. Worth checking out... Incidentally, Bob, some of the guitar players I liked the best on Steely were on Gaucho. Larry Carlton's sound on Third World Man in F minor I think, and a "non-rock key" if there ever was one) and Bluesyness is great, particularly his percussive picking and licks on the fade. Anthony Jackson's Bass on Glamour Profession is some of my favorite of all time; name me a song where the bass player hardly ever plays on the 1st beat of the measure, the absence of which is a conspicuous part of the groove. In fact, he mutes his note so precisely on 1 -- that the result of the mute at that instant has a dynamic and strong presence in it's silence...unique. This despite the kick drm on 1. Worth checking out. (I loved Jackson's playing so much I picked out from start to finish and put it to paper also to use with my bass students.) Hope to possibly get together with you soon. Best Allears   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 10:06 am:    Steely Dan Guitar/Tab re-publication of Hal Leonard's out-of-print book: Available on eBay and Amazon Take Note: Not a "Steely Dan Complete...." folio: Alas no Larry Carlton "Third World Man". REVIEWER: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/ 071197540X/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_top/104-9902905-963596 9?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books#customerReviews This book contains transcriptions to: Aja, Bad Sneakers, Black Friday, Bodhisattva, Chain Lightning, Deacon Blues, Don't Take Me Alive, Gaucho, Green Earrings, Hey Nineteen, Josie,Kid Charlemagne,My Old School, Night By Night, Parker's Band, Peg, Pretzel Logic, Reelin' In the Years,Rikki Don't Lose That Number, Time Out of Mind. Best, Allears

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