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Kaviray
Username: Kaviray

Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 5:42 pm:   

Hi ,I also ask Jim the same question.maybe you have some info too.Please have a look at pictures and let me know what you think.
thanks .KaviRay strat
Kaviray
Username: Kaviray

Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 5:43 pm:   

elDegas strat. strat
Kaviray
Username: Kaviray

Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 5:44 pm:   

strat
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960

Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 8:15 am:   

Did you do any research on the net concerning this guitar?
Johns
Username: Johns

Registered: 02-2001
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 9:41 am:   

Kaviray:

According to Michael Wright's Guitar Stories, Vol. 1, pg. 76, the elDegas "brand" was imported/distributed by Buegeleisen & Jacobson of New York.

It would be impossible to say that the same factory that made some Ibanez branded, Strat replicas didn't also make othe Strat replicas like your elDegas.

But technically, Ibanez did NOT make guitars for anyone. That's because Ibanez is a "brand name". Hoshino is the parent company that owns the name and contracts with any number of factories (first in Japan, then Korea and Indonesia, now adding China) to make guitars to their specs. After they are made, Hoshino takes care of distributing them around the world.

Buegeleisen & Jacobson did the same thing in the 70s (on a much smaller scale). Who they contracted with and what factories were used to fill the orders, is a mystery to me.
Kaviray
Username: Kaviray

Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:59 pm:   

Thanks John for the info.I did'nt mean to step on any Ibanez owners toe's.I went to see a friend of mine in Tacoma WA yesterday,he's got 2 Ibanez Challengers.As far as we could tell they are the same guitar .even the pickups are the same under the under the pick guard.are there any # which I should look for in the neck joint?.
thanks again Kaviray.
PS .I did do alot of seaching on the net ,but I thought I'd ask the Ibanez Guru's too.
Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier

Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 3:45 pm:   

Wooah!
Johns, is there actually someone called "Buegeleisen" (flat iron)?
In Holland that's a defence soccer player in a comic strip from the 70s! (Sjakie Strijkijzer).

About the guitar: it has the same pickguard (with the short slit for the MIJ selector switch) as on my natural neck through body Jarock strat.
I modified mine totally except for the beautifully aged pickups:
new MIJ potmeters and an open Fender Japan selector switch, a tortoise MIJ pickguard, and all hardware in gold.
The upgrade costed more than the guitar, but it's so beautiful!
(BTW, I wouldn't do that with an Ibanez).


Ginger
Kaviray
Username: Kaviray

Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 7:05 pm:   

Ginger,the middle and bridge pickups are original .its has the old three way pickup switch.it has Made in Japan on the neck plate,but no ser#.

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