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Author Message Captainibanez (Captainibanez) Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 1:01 am:    O.K IBANEEZER'S ...LET'S GET IT ON ! I throw the floor open to see if we can agree or disagree with the statement I made that..... The Super58's series pickups of today are as close as you will get to the much beloved Super 70's series pickups from the 70's. To add fuel to the fire, should Ibanez bring back Super 70's? and is there a particular model you would put or would like to see these pickups in today ? I await your responce.....and thoughts too ! Captain Ibanez Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 5:48 am:    Morning! I’ve always rated Super 70’s. Back in the 70’s they were ripped out and usually replaced with Dimarzio’s as a so called upgrade. Apparently most players seemed to think the 70’s sounded thin! (?) I inherited some of these 70’s from the old shop and also from local guitar repairers I had rumbled who’d done the same for customers. That meant I was able to pick them up cheap over the years and now have quite a few sets of differing colours, covers and ratings to mess with. My favourite is the Zebra black/creme fitted in the neck of my Scruggs. It has one hell of a woman tone. 70’s are getting harder to find these days. As for Super 58’s - I have a pair if anyone is interested? Sorry, Skipper but I confess to not knowing anything about post 1981 Ibanez guitars other than the reissue Weir, although I do quite like the Talman. Nice thread six Boris (Boris) Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:02 am:    i agree with captain ibanez,Todays 58s are morelike super 70s. 58s use to be much warmer than todays 58s.my new scofield is much brighter than my old am 100 or my ar 500 Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 12:34 pm:    From my experience with the two pickups (Super70 vs 58), I'd have to say that the 58's are brighter and more penetrating. The 70's have a mellower more even response and slightly more output. Both work very well for me. I suspect any difference in tone between "vintage" 58's and new ones, is probably more the guitar than the pickup. Cheers Steve Craigjc (Craigjc) Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 8:17 am:    Steve, I've never disagreed with you before and I don't plan on starting; you probably have more experience comparing the 2 pickups. But... My experience (from 2 different model Ibanez guitars - not a good test) along with the technical data (Coil windings, magnet materials, etc) both suggest that 70s should be brighter than a typical PAF and super 58s should be mellower than a typical PAF. Neither should have significantly different output than a PAF. Noticed I used "should be"...I consider ears to be the best test, so I cannot say that Steve is wrong...however, I did feel the need to provide accurate information on how the pickups should sound ... in theory. Which do I like? I like them both. The Super 58 is especially nice as a Rhythm pickup. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 12:58 pm:    Craig, If everybody agreed with me all the time, it'd get boring around here I was primarily going by what my ear tells me. That, of course, is affected by whatever the guitar is plugged into. My comparison was with bridge pickups in two different Roadstar models. Not exactly scientific either. I do remember one of my catalogs having a frequency response chart for Ibanez pickups. I'll have to eyeball it, but I think the Super58 has a higher resonant frequency. That should, keyword "should", give it a stronger treble response. What data are you looking at? Can you share? Didn't somebody around here lay an ohmeter on some of these things and post the results? Cheers Steve Sixvsix (Sixvsix) Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 1:52 pm:    I've found that Super 70's sound good in most guitars and belive me I've shoved them in anything from a Les Paul to a Tele. They coil tap okay too. six Craigjc (Craigjc) Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 2:52 pm:    Steve, some resistance measurements were taken and posted near the end of "Hollow & Semi-Hollow Body Guitars: Ibanez AS400 Neck Through Semi???? " thread. Basically, since the windings are very similar, the tone difference would boil down to magnet material and structure, which is the primary basis of my assumption. The lower the alnico number, the weaker the magnet and the less bright the tone. This is the theory that is supported by the big names in pickup manufacturing, or at least one of the factors they use to tweak the tone of a pickup. Let me know what the resonant frequencies in the charts say. Those should be a very accurate way of determining a pickup's general brightness. OK, how many headaches have I caused with this techno mumbo-jumbo? Paddy_F (Paddy_F) Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 3:06 pm:    Heres my two pennyworth, I love 58s in the bridge position on the old AM50, (very smooth and musical) and matches my fender concert quite well. My mates scruggs also works well with the fender, and the 70s seem to have perhaps more punch and definition. I understand both types are alnico mags, but my personal favourites are ceramic 80s in the 2617. To me they seem thick and agressive with edge, and seem to match my simul class mk 3 boogie best. Ive been swapping guitars, amps and speakers for the last 10 years and the 2617/boogie is the best combination for me so far. Sorry about bringing 80s into the thread!! Rocknroll, Paddy. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 10:53 pm:    Hmm.... Found the chart I was thinking of. It's in the 1985 catalog. The Super70 is the coverless version. Alnico3 magnet in the Super58. Nothing listed for the 70. ___Specification_________ Super58 __ Super70 DC Resistance (kOhms) ----- 7.80 ----- 7.72 Resonant Frequency (kHz) -- 4.65 ----- 5.30 The Super70 is described as "Bright". The Super58 is described as "Warm" & "Clean". I'm definitely gonna get my ears checked... More useful info: Tri-Sound switching is described as selecting "humbucking, single or parallel" operation. Cheers Steve Doc (Doc) Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 9:59 am:    Super 70's flat out rock, and have great tone. I found an original still in the box example gathering dust in the mid 80's in a shop in Melbourne, bought it for $15. Boy, was I a lucky bastard that day. It's part of my tone monster alder wood strat now, with some help from a Kent Armstrong lippytube and a '62 Fender original. rick Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:55 am:    hi does anyone know how the wiring goes on the old super 58's? they have different colors to the new ones. The old ones go yellow, red, blue, black and bare earth/shielding wire. cheers rick

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